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Lingering antibiotic resistant bacteria after a single course

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Susan - 09 Feb 2007 17:29 GMT
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Body can fight antibiotics for months, study shows
HELEN BRANSWELL

Canadian Press

TORONTO - Taking a single course of a certain type of antibiotics
gives rise to high levels of antibiotic resistant bacteria in the
mouth, an effect that persists for at least half a year, a new study
released Thursday reported.

The extraordinary persistence of the effect startled the scientists
who discovered it and others in the field as well - and underscores
the need for judicious use of these precious drugs, experts said.

Senior author Dr. Herman Goossens said he and his co-authors assumed
that if they followed the subjects in their study for six months they
would see the rates of resistant bacteria in participants' mouths
return to normal levels. But that didn't happen.

"We were pretty staggered by these data," said Dr. Goossens, a
microbiologist at the University of Antwerp, in Belgium. "We never
expected this."

 The finding, reported in the journal The Lancet, is a sharp reminder
of the power of antibiotics, suggested Eric Brown, a biochemist at
McMaster University in Hamilton.

"So a quick course of antibiotics and a half a year later, you're
still carrying resistant organisms. That's a little bit terrifying,"
said Dr. Brown, whose laboratory is working on alternative ways to
kill bacteria, because of the rising problem of antibiotic resistance.

It also suggests doctors treating patients for bacterial infections
should carefully consider which antibiotics they prescribe if those
patients have taken antibiotics within the last year.

"If you're a doc who's about to treat a patient who has been treated
before, it should have an impact on the decisions you make about what
to give that patient," Dr. Brown said.

The study, which was partially funded by drug maker Abbott
Laboratories, is the first to definitively show that antibiotic use is
the major factor in the emergence of antibiotic resistance, Dr.
Goossens said.

It seems a bit like proving the assumed. Plenty of research has shown
that as antibiotic use rises in a population, the rate of antibiotic-
resistant infections within that population rises as well. And
infection control experts have been campaigning for years to get
doctors to cut back on antibiotic use out of a fear that resistance is
increasing at such a rate as to threaten the continued usefulness of
these drugs.

But those studies could only draw a link between antibiotics and
antibiotic resistance - they couldn't be used as proof that use of the
drugs causes resistance.

This study proves the effect, Dr. Goossens said, by studying
individuals.

Healthy volunteers who took one of two antibiotics from a class called
macrolides had a rapid and dramatic spike in antibiotic-resistant
streptococci in their mouths. Swabs taken at 28 days, 42 days and 180
days after treatment - which was three days for one antibiotic and
seven days for another - showed more than the majority of streptococci
in their mouths were resistant to macrolides even at 180 days.

"It . . . should serve as a wake up call for individual prescribing
physicians, nurse practitioners, midwives, dentists and others that
inappropriate use of antibiotics does have consequences," said Dr.
John Conly, former chair of the Canadian Committee on Antibiotic
Resistance and head of the department of medicine at Foothills Medical
Centre in Calgary.

"You can liken it to using too many vehicles to get to work and
greenhouse gases."
Neil Brooks - 09 Feb 2007 19:22 GMT
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Lovely.  Simply lovely.

(sincerely) Thanks for posting that.
Ghamph - 09 Feb 2007 23:47 GMT
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> (sincerely) Thanks for posting that.
Really scary.  Like killing a fly with a sledge hammer and the fly is on
your head.
judy.n - 11 Feb 2007 17:27 GMT
Inappropriate use of antibiotics can have lingering effects. However,
this article continues the trend that sinusitis does not require
antibiotics: which may be true with some patients, but clearly not
with others.
 Several years ago, Ellen Wald from U Pitt cultured kids throats in
various cities, and spontaneously, they began to harbor erythromycin
resistant strep--and many had not been on antibiotics. It was
published in the NEJM.
 Currently, due to MRSA, clindamycin is a drug that is recommended
for staph infections, yet reisistance can be induced quickly.
 So, read the article, realize that antibiotics should be used
judiciously, but they have their value when used appropriately.
Judy

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Susan - 11 Feb 2007 17:31 GMT
> Inappropriate use of antibiotics can have lingering effects. However,
> this article continues the trend that sinusitis does not require
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>   So, read the article, realize that antibiotics should be used
> judiciously, but they have their value when used appropriately.

Judy, they were on abx from the food supply.

80% of the antibiotics manufactured in the U.S. are used in animal
feedlots and streptomycin is abundantly sprayed on produce.

My belief is that this, not appropriate tx of infections in humans, is
the biggest cause of resistant bugs.

Susan
Murray Grossan - 11 Feb 2007 18:44 GMT
On 2/11/07 9:31 AM, in article 53926kF1s31aiU1@mid.individual.net, "Susan"
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> Susan

Still the biggest cause of resistant bacteria is the improper use of
antibiotics. For decades, as soon as the patient felt better he stopped the
antibiotic and saved it for next time.

When I was in the military nearly every family I contacted has a few
antibiotic at home they had saved for "next time" and had taken an
inadequate dose.

My ZAAP program - zaap antibiotic abuse personally  preaches that each
person should tell his friends how important it is to finish the Rx. The
next door neighbour that only takes 1/2 the Rx is the one who helps develop
the resistant germ that will affect you.

What I have preached  is, the patient comes to the doctor with a nose full
of pus. With office irrigation you remove much of that pus. Less bacteria,
less antibiotic or maybe no antibiotic at all. Yet patients continue to
leave the office with a nose still full of pus instead of having the simple
3 minute irrigation! Now that would reduce the antibiotic abuse.
Susan - 11 Feb 2007 19:10 GMT
> Still the biggest cause of resistant bacteria is the improper use of
> antibiotics.

I agree.  What we disagree on is which use is most contributory.

 For decades, as soon as the patient felt better he stopped the
> antibiotic and saved it for next time.

That's a contributor, but it's a mere drip compared to the flood of
powerful abx distributed in our food to every mouth in this country.

> My ZAAP program - zaap antibiotic abuse personally  preaches that each
> person should tell his friends how important it is to finish the Rx. The
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> leave the office with a nose still full of pus instead of having the simple
> 3 minute irrigation! Now that would reduce the antibiotic abuse.

You should direct your energies, perhaps, zapping the use of antibiotics
in feedlots and on plant foods.

Susan
truehawk - 11 Feb 2007 21:23 GMT
Well in January Omnilitix got approval from the FDA to use e-coli
killing phages on cattle.

But they are not for sale yet for some strange reason.

Anyway in one test after using the anti-E  coli H157 phages on cattle,
they could no longer infect cattle that had not been part of the test
with it if they stayed in the same barn.  An infectous cure for sure.
judy.n - 12 Feb 2007 00:00 GMT
Susan, I completely agree with you. The use of quinolones in poultry
production has led to multiresistant bugs in the community.
 A cautionary tale: this week, the family of a young woman who died
of strep pneumonia, who had visited an ER in RI three times in four
days, and was told it was a virus received a $34.5 million dollar
judgement.
 I agree that the vast majority of antibiotics in this country are
used in livestock production, and then physicians and patients are
accused of causing resistance by inappropriate prescribing. Yes, some
viral illnesses get treated with antibiotics, but the trend is to
avoid over-prescribing.
 Another case in point: my mother is immunosuppressed, after a liver
transplant 14 years ago, she is also a diabetic. She saw her internist
at Kaiser for a severe facial cellulitis that started from her nose--
so presume it's staph and presume it's MRSA. She was given a tiny dose
of amoxicllin, which was useless. I had to email her physician to get
her the appropriate medications. I am certain that Kaiser Permante
physicians follow guidelines that encourage the minimal use of
antibiotics. However, when an immunosuppressed diabetic presents with
a severe facial cellulitis, the doctor couldn't recognize when an
appropriate prescription was required. Ironically, for MRSA, the drug
that works is Bactrim, which is generic and very inexpensive.
 Judy

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Susan - 12 Feb 2007 01:01 GMT
> Susan, I completely agree with you. The use of quinolones in poultry
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> viral illnesses get treated with antibiotics, but the trend is to
> avoid over-prescribing.

Judy, don't forget how much streptomycin is being sprayed onto produce.

>   Another case in point: my mother is immunosuppressed, after a liver
> transplant 14 years ago, she is also a diabetic. She saw her internist
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> that works is Bactrim, which is generic and very inexpensive.

I despair for the low community standard of community medicine at all
price points.

I just went through a year of adrenal failure culminating in Addisonian
crisis this past summner, undiagnosed until I found it myself.

Susan
 
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