Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / February 2007
Lingering antibiotic resistant bacteria after a single course
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Susan - 09 Feb 2007 17:29 GMT http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070208.wbacteria0208/BNStor y/specialScienceandHealth/home
Body can fight antibiotics for months, study shows HELEN BRANSWELL
Canadian Press
TORONTO - Taking a single course of a certain type of antibiotics gives rise to high levels of antibiotic resistant bacteria in the mouth, an effect that persists for at least half a year, a new study released Thursday reported.
The extraordinary persistence of the effect startled the scientists who discovered it and others in the field as well - and underscores the need for judicious use of these precious drugs, experts said.
Senior author Dr. Herman Goossens said he and his co-authors assumed that if they followed the subjects in their study for six months they would see the rates of resistant bacteria in participants' mouths return to normal levels. But that didn't happen.
"We were pretty staggered by these data," said Dr. Goossens, a microbiologist at the University of Antwerp, in Belgium. "We never expected this."
The finding, reported in the journal The Lancet, is a sharp reminder of the power of antibiotics, suggested Eric Brown, a biochemist at McMaster University in Hamilton.
"So a quick course of antibiotics and a half a year later, you're still carrying resistant organisms. That's a little bit terrifying," said Dr. Brown, whose laboratory is working on alternative ways to kill bacteria, because of the rising problem of antibiotic resistance.
It also suggests doctors treating patients for bacterial infections should carefully consider which antibiotics they prescribe if those patients have taken antibiotics within the last year.
"If you're a doc who's about to treat a patient who has been treated before, it should have an impact on the decisions you make about what to give that patient," Dr. Brown said.
The study, which was partially funded by drug maker Abbott Laboratories, is the first to definitively show that antibiotic use is the major factor in the emergence of antibiotic resistance, Dr. Goossens said.
It seems a bit like proving the assumed. Plenty of research has shown that as antibiotic use rises in a population, the rate of antibiotic- resistant infections within that population rises as well. And infection control experts have been campaigning for years to get doctors to cut back on antibiotic use out of a fear that resistance is increasing at such a rate as to threaten the continued usefulness of these drugs.
But those studies could only draw a link between antibiotics and antibiotic resistance - they couldn't be used as proof that use of the drugs causes resistance.
This study proves the effect, Dr. Goossens said, by studying individuals.
Healthy volunteers who took one of two antibiotics from a class called macrolides had a rapid and dramatic spike in antibiotic-resistant streptococci in their mouths. Swabs taken at 28 days, 42 days and 180 days after treatment - which was three days for one antibiotic and seven days for another - showed more than the majority of streptococci in their mouths were resistant to macrolides even at 180 days.
"It . . . should serve as a wake up call for individual prescribing physicians, nurse practitioners, midwives, dentists and others that inappropriate use of antibiotics does have consequences," said Dr. John Conly, former chair of the Canadian Committee on Antibiotic Resistance and head of the department of medicine at Foothills Medical Centre in Calgary.
"You can liken it to using too many vehicles to get to work and greenhouse gases."
Neil Brooks - 09 Feb 2007 19:22 GMT > x-no-archive: yes > > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070208.wbacteria0208/BNStor y/specialScienceandHealth/home > > Body can fight antibiotics for months, study shows > HELEN BRANSWELL [snip]
Lovely. Simply lovely.
(sincerely) Thanks for posting that.
Ghamph - 09 Feb 2007 23:47 GMT > > x-no-archive: yes http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070208.wbacteria0208/BNStor y/specialScienceandHealth/home
> > Body can fight antibiotics for months, study shows > > HELEN BRANSWELL [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > (sincerely) Thanks for posting that. Really scary. Like killing a fly with a sledge hammer and the fly is on your head.
judy.n - 11 Feb 2007 17:27 GMT Inappropriate use of antibiotics can have lingering effects. However, this article continues the trend that sinusitis does not require antibiotics: which may be true with some patients, but clearly not with others. Several years ago, Ellen Wald from U Pitt cultured kids throats in various cities, and spontaneously, they began to harbor erythromycin resistant strep--and many had not been on antibiotics. It was published in the NEJM. Currently, due to MRSA, clindamycin is a drug that is recommended for staph infections, yet reisistance can be induced quickly. So, read the article, realize that antibiotics should be used judiciously, but they have their value when used appropriately. Judy
> x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > "You can liken it to using too many vehicles to get to work and > greenhouse gases." Susan - 11 Feb 2007 17:31 GMT > Inappropriate use of antibiotics can have lingering effects. However, > this article continues the trend that sinusitis does not require [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > So, read the article, realize that antibiotics should be used > judiciously, but they have their value when used appropriately. Judy, they were on abx from the food supply.
80% of the antibiotics manufactured in the U.S. are used in animal feedlots and streptomycin is abundantly sprayed on produce.
My belief is that this, not appropriate tx of infections in humans, is the biggest cause of resistant bugs.
Susan
Murray Grossan - 11 Feb 2007 18:44 GMT On 2/11/07 9:31 AM, in article 53926kF1s31aiU1@mid.individual.net, "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Susan Still the biggest cause of resistant bacteria is the improper use of antibiotics. For decades, as soon as the patient felt better he stopped the antibiotic and saved it for next time.
When I was in the military nearly every family I contacted has a few antibiotic at home they had saved for "next time" and had taken an inadequate dose.
My ZAAP program - zaap antibiotic abuse personally preaches that each person should tell his friends how important it is to finish the Rx. The next door neighbour that only takes 1/2 the Rx is the one who helps develop the resistant germ that will affect you.
What I have preached is, the patient comes to the doctor with a nose full of pus. With office irrigation you remove much of that pus. Less bacteria, less antibiotic or maybe no antibiotic at all. Yet patients continue to leave the office with a nose still full of pus instead of having the simple 3 minute irrigation! Now that would reduce the antibiotic abuse.
Susan - 11 Feb 2007 19:10 GMT > Still the biggest cause of resistant bacteria is the improper use of > antibiotics. I agree. What we disagree on is which use is most contributory.
For decades, as soon as the patient felt better he stopped the
> antibiotic and saved it for next time. That's a contributor, but it's a mere drip compared to the flood of powerful abx distributed in our food to every mouth in this country.
> My ZAAP program - zaap antibiotic abuse personally preaches that each > person should tell his friends how important it is to finish the Rx. The [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > leave the office with a nose still full of pus instead of having the simple > 3 minute irrigation! Now that would reduce the antibiotic abuse. You should direct your energies, perhaps, zapping the use of antibiotics in feedlots and on plant foods.
Susan
truehawk - 11 Feb 2007 21:23 GMT Well in January Omnilitix got approval from the FDA to use e-coli killing phages on cattle.
But they are not for sale yet for some strange reason.
Anyway in one test after using the anti-E coli H157 phages on cattle, they could no longer infect cattle that had not been part of the test with it if they stayed in the same barn. An infectous cure for sure.
judy.n - 12 Feb 2007 00:00 GMT Susan, I completely agree with you. The use of quinolones in poultry production has led to multiresistant bugs in the community. A cautionary tale: this week, the family of a young woman who died of strep pneumonia, who had visited an ER in RI three times in four days, and was told it was a virus received a $34.5 million dollar judgement. I agree that the vast majority of antibiotics in this country are used in livestock production, and then physicians and patients are accused of causing resistance by inappropriate prescribing. Yes, some viral illnesses get treated with antibiotics, but the trend is to avoid over-prescribing. Another case in point: my mother is immunosuppressed, after a liver transplant 14 years ago, she is also a diabetic. She saw her internist at Kaiser for a severe facial cellulitis that started from her nose-- so presume it's staph and presume it's MRSA. She was given a tiny dose of amoxicllin, which was useless. I had to email her physician to get her the appropriate medications. I am certain that Kaiser Permante physicians follow guidelines that encourage the minimal use of antibiotics. However, when an immunosuppressed diabetic presents with a severe facial cellulitis, the doctor couldn't recognize when an appropriate prescription was required. Ironically, for MRSA, the drug that works is Bactrim, which is generic and very inexpensive. Judy
> x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Susan Susan - 12 Feb 2007 01:01 GMT > Susan, I completely agree with you. The use of quinolones in poultry > production has led to multiresistant bugs in the community. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > viral illnesses get treated with antibiotics, but the trend is to > avoid over-prescribing. Judy, don't forget how much streptomycin is being sprayed onto produce.
> Another case in point: my mother is immunosuppressed, after a liver > transplant 14 years ago, she is also a diabetic. She saw her internist [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > appropriate prescription was required. Ironically, for MRSA, the drug > that works is Bactrim, which is generic and very inexpensive. I despair for the low community standard of community medicine at all price points.
I just went through a year of adrenal failure culminating in Addisonian crisis this past summner, undiagnosed until I found it myself.
Susan
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