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dave - 12 Jan 2007 16:27 GMT
A few months ago my Dr put me on Clarithromycin for my sinus problems.
This was supposed to be a long term (5 month) process. 500mg twice a
day.   After two months my pharmasist called to warn me that this
antiobiotic will cause hearing loss.  Not if,,, it is a matter of time
and it will happen.   He told me that most Drs aren't aware of this.

Is this an issue?
Susan - 12 Jan 2007 16:55 GMT
> A few months ago my Dr put me on Clarithromycin for my sinus problems.
> This was supposed to be a long term (5 month) process. 500mg twice a
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>
> Is this an issue?

http://pmj.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/81/951/58

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BUM/is_1_82/ai_97754556

http://hearinglosshelp.com/weblog/?p=102

Susan
Steven L. - 12 Jan 2007 19:02 GMT
> http://hearinglosshelp.com/weblog/?p=102

I don't know where he got those numbers from.  This website doesn't look
to be a reliable source, with its scare headlines and books.

The guy who wrote that article cited no references, nor did he claim to
be an otologist himself.

Things like this really worry me:
http://hearinglosshelp.com/resources.htm

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Susan - 12 Jan 2007 19:32 GMT
>> http://hearinglosshelp.com/weblog/?p=102
>
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> Things like this really worry me:
> http://hearinglosshelp.com/resources.htm

Steven, the ototoxic effects of macrolide antibiotics are extremely well
known, as I learned from Dr. Grossan and other hearing professionals who
used to post on the tinnitus support group.

Check Medline if you doubt it.

Susan
Susan - 12 Jan 2007 19:35 GMT
1: Expert Opin Drug Saf. 2006 May;5(3):383-99.Click here to read  Links
    Understanding drug ototoxicity: molecular insights for prevention
and clinical management.

        * Yorgason JG,
        * Fayad JN,
        * Kalinec F.

    Gonda Department of Cell and Molecular Biology, House Ear
Institute, Los Angeles, CA 90057, USA.

    Ototoxicity is a trait shared by aminoglycoside and macrolide
antibiotics, loop diuretics, platinum-based chemotherapeutic agents,
some NSAIDs and antimalarial medications. Because their benefits in
combating certain life-threatening diseases often outweigh the risks,
the use of these ototoxic drugs cannot simply be avoided. In this
review, the authors discuss some of the most frequently used ototoxic
drugs and what is currently known about the cell and molecular
mechanisms underlying their noxious effects. The authors also provide
suggestions for the clinical management of ototoxic medications,
including ototoxic detection and drug monitoring. Understanding the
mechanisms of drug ototoxicity may lead to new strategies for preventing
and curing drug-induced hearing loss, as well as developing new
pharmacological drugs with less toxic side effects.

    PMID: 16610968 [PubMed - in process]
Steven L. - 12 Jan 2007 19:03 GMT
> A few months ago my Dr put me on Clarithromycin for my sinus problems.
> This was supposed to be a long term (5 month) process. 500mg twice a
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>
> Is this an issue?

AFAIK, the only evidence for hearing loss is a few isolated case
reports, not a significant percentage of all the zillions of patients
who take the drug.

There are other, equally distressing side effects that are more common,
so you might as well worry about those other possible side effects
first.  :-)

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judy.n - 13 Jan 2007 13:02 GMT
The usual treatment with macrolides long term is with very low dose
macrolides: the classic dose of biaxin/clarithromycin is 250 mg day.
(Per Ander's Cervin, also referenced in the Chest article.)
I have an issue with a pharmacist warning direct to a patient without
involving the MD in the discussion. Often pharmacists have various
computer programs that will alert them to drug interactions and
potential side effects. This can be very helpful. However, ototoxicity
is dose dependent, and very rare with oral mycin drugs. Your pharmacist
should have discussed with BOTH you and your physician. I've been on
low dose biaxin for 5 years with a dramatic decrease in sinusitis. I do
have an otologist for vertigo, and he checks my hearing, and it has
never been effected.
 Talk to your doctor and have him/her discuss this with the
pharmacist.
 Here's the Chest article on low dose macrolides:
http://www.chestjournal.org/cgi/content/full/125/2_suppl/52S?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&
hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=macrolides&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relev
ance&resourcetype=HWCIT

Here's an article on a 28 day course: no concerns of ototoxicity
http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/15e836.htm

Again, discuss this with your doctor. Pharmacists can be invaluable,
but they shouldn't operate without the clinical input of the
prescribing MD.
Judy
> > A few months ago my Dr put me on Clarithromycin for my sinus problems.
> > This was supposed to be a long term (5 month) process. 500mg twice a
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dave - 14 Jan 2007 16:13 GMT
Actually,,,, I am glad that he did call me.  He was just doing his job.
After all he is working for me as well.
I have no problems with including my Dr in this issue, but I am very
pleased that my pharmasist warned me.

> The usual treatment with macrolides long term is with very low dose
> macrolides: the classic dose of biaxin/clarithromycin is 250 mg day.
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Murray Grossan - 14 Jan 2007 19:40 GMT
On 1/14/07 8:13 AM, in article
1168791219.378510.288980@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com, "dave"

> Actually,,,, I am glad that he did call me.  He was just doing his job.
>  After all he is working for me as well.
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This subject speaks to one of my "crusades". People should have a single
pharmacist that they use consistently, one who knows their situation and
often can advise.
My son-in-law is a college professor and his pharmacist saved his life by
noticing that the new Rx was a duplicate of one he was already taking and
the double dose could have been fatal.
Medicine, drugs, etc is too complicated today. The PDR can only do so much
and frankly when I look for info on the internet I don't always find what I
need. Having your own personal pharmacist is just as important as having
your own personal physician. By the way, this also can save you money - they
may recommend less costly substitutes.  Plus they are quick to tune in that
the last 3 patients who took this medication complained of awful stomach
cramps or whatever. You don't get this from a mail order pharmacy.
DK - 17 Jan 2007 01:55 GMT
>On 1/14/07 8:13 AM, in article
>1168791219.378510.288980@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com, "dave"
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>the last 3 patients who took this medication complained of awful stomach
>cramps or whatever. You don't get this from a mail order pharmacy.

I live in the US and have found an India pharmacy that does excellent
work for me.  If I need info on the drugs I get from overseas, I can
always google.

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