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MZB - 24 Dec 2006 00:02 GMT
Hi. You said

On 12/23/06 5:45 AM, in article
1166881541.101433.98040@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com, "judy.n"
<judy.nudelman@gmail.com> wrote:

>  On the other hand, people can be
> chronically, constantly, actively infected, and the CT can look pretty
> normal.

This doesn't happen with the CT scans.
You can have a nasal infection and not show sinus disease, but CT scans are
quite accurate. You can have a neuralgia or referred pain and call it
sinusitis and the CT will be negative.
MRI for sinuses are very misleading as they show positive with the slightest
mucus.

My question: then is it best to have a CT Scan when you are having problems
or NOT having problems or does it matter. My doctor seems to prefer to order
a Ct Scan next time I have a problem.

Mel
rick@spamgmail.com - 24 Dec 2006 03:33 GMT
>Hi. You said
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>
>Mel

Mel,

I just posted a reply to this post of Murray's.  In essence, if I had
gotten sinus surgery based on a CT scan diagnosis while I was still
infected, I'd be sitting here today looking down the nose of an
unnecessary surgery.

IOW, it matters.  Scan when you're as infection-free as possible.  I'm
glad I did.

Rick
Murray Grossan - 24 Dec 2006 21:53 GMT
On 12/23/06 4:02 PM, in article 5sjjh.890$nK1.91@newsfe06.lga, "MZB"
<moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote:

> Hi. You said
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>
> Mel

Since we have the instant CT scanner in the office, we do it at the
patient's visit so that we can finish the diagnosis in a single visit and
plan best therapy.  There is no single answer whether do CT when sick or
well. There are indications for not doing the CT i.e the MRI shows disease
but the direct exam doesn't. No CT . Certainly if at the visit the pain etc
is there for weeks, take it then since is is the best guide for Rx. In our
office we need to know if pulsatile irrigation alone will do the trick or if
no amount of therapy except surgery is best for the patient. In other words,
patient has had symptoms for months, has been on meds for months, take the
CT then. It is the best guide to therapy. It is best too because some
patients will benefit by more abx, but you save the patient from unnecessary
antibiotics when the CT is done and read at the visit .
judy.n - 26 Dec 2006 13:28 GMT
You've posted that a biofilm infection will not show on a CT. Why do
you not consider a biofilm infection a sinus infection? Biofilms are
implicated in chronic otitis media--yet they're still considered otitis
media.
 Judy
> On 12/23/06 4:02 PM, in article 5sjjh.890$nK1.91@newsfe06.lga, "MZB"
> <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote:
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> patients will benefit by more abx, but you save the patient from unnecessary
> antibiotics when the CT is done and read at the visit .
Murray Grossan - 26 Dec 2006 16:03 GMT
On 12/26/06 5:28 AM, in article
1167139682.829360.119570@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "judy.n"

> You've posted that a biofilm infection will not show on a CT. Why do
> you not consider a biofilm infection a sinus infection? Biofilms are
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>>>
>>> that's the point I am trying to make. Patient says I have a sinus infection
but the CT was negative. The correct question he should ask is, Why do I have
pain in my sinus area?  So the  CT is negative - cervical pain, neurologic,
vacuum, migraine, psychosomatic or ??
For us the main value of the CT is to decide whether to continue on
medications or save time and go to other treatments. I think the biggest
value has been in giving us a means to reduce antibiotics.

>> Since we have the instant CT scanner in the office, we do it at the
>> patient's visit so that we can finish the diagnosis in a single visit and
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>> patients will benefit by more abx, but you save the patient from unnecessary
>> antibiotics when the CT is done and read at the visit .

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