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New Study: Antibiotics Mostly Useless For Acute Sinusitis

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Steven L. - 19 Dec 2006 04:46 GMT
Antibiotics Mostly Useless for Sinusitis
12.18.06, 12:00 AM ET

MONDAY, Dec. 18 (HealthDay News) -- If you develop a mild sinus
infection this winter -- or even a moderately severe one -- antibiotics
won't necessarily speed your recovery, new research shows.

"In the vast majority of cases, rhinosinusitis is a self-limiting
disease," said Dr. An De Sutter, of Ghent University Hospital in
Belgium. "It can last 10 days or longer, but antibiotics do not
influence the course of the disease."

So, if you don't have signs of complications or severe infection, such
as a high fever or extreme pain, your best bet is to forgo antibiotics,
rely on symptomatic treatments and wait for a natural recovery, De
Sutter said.

De Sutter estimates that 50 percent to 70 percent of sinusitis patients
are prescribed antibiotics. Although the drugs can effectively treat
patients who develop bacterial sinusitis, they are ineffective against
viral sinusitis, which represents the majority of cases.

In the study, De Sutter and her colleagues looked at 300 patients with
mild to moderately severe sinusitis, 218 of whom received sinus X-rays.
They randomly assigned patients to receive either amoxicillin or a
placebo, asked them to keep a symptom diary and observed them for 15 days.

The researchers found that neither typical sinusitis signs and symptoms
nor abnormal X-rays had any value in predicting the course of the
disease. They also found that the disease lasted as long in patients
taking amoxicillin as it did in patients taking a placebo, and that 247
of the patients recovered within 15 days.

Only two subjective complaints -- a general feeling of illness and
reduced productivity -- predicted a slower recovery from sinusitis. "In
patients who feel ill or who do not feel able to work, recovery will
take a few days longer," De Sutter said. "But antibiotic treatment does
not speed recovery in these patients."

"We don't know for sure why antibiotic treatment seemed to have no
effect on the duration of the illness," De Sutter said. "But there two
possible explanations: Either the illness and X-ray abnormalities were
not caused by a bacterial infection, or if they were, the patients'
immune systems were able to overcome the infection just as quickly
without antibiotics."

The results of the study are published in the November/December issue of
the Annals of Family Medicine.

"We advise antibiotic treatment only when patients have severe symptoms
such as high fever and bad pain or if they have impaired immune
function," De Sutter said. "This is a very small minority of patients.
For all others, we advise 'watchful waiting.' "

Instead of prescribing antibiotics, doctors should focus on symptom
relief: paracetamol for pain relief and intranasal decongestants in case
of a blocked nose, De Sutter suggested. "Some patients experience
subjective relief by inhaling hot steam," she added.

In a similar study in the same journal, researchers found the desire for
pain relief was one of the main reasons why sore-throat patients demand
antibiotics. They concluded that it may be preferable to treat such
patients with pain medications instead of antibiotics.

In most sinusitis cases, De Sutter believes that doctors should resist
patient demand for antibiotics. "Doctors should explain to patients that
antibiotics do not make a difference in the speed of recovery and can
cause side effects," De Sutter said. "In our trial, diarrhea was more
frequent with antibiotics. Other known side effects include nausea, oral
or vaginal mold or yeast infection, allergic reactions and colitis."

The over-prescription of antibiotics, especially in children, also can
cause the upper respiratory tract to become colonized with
antibiotic-resistant bacteria such as S. pneumoniae, De Sutter said.
"These resistant bacteria may cause infections that are more difficult
to treat and may be passed on to other people."

"This is an interesting study because it looked at a large population of
people with acute sinusitis," said Dr. David Sherris, chairman of
otolaryngology at the University at Buffalo in New York.

"Most people do not need antibiotic therapy unless symptoms persist for
more than seven to 10 days," Sherris said. "Plain X-rays of the sinuses
add little or nothing to the diagnosis and treatment of acute sinusitis."

But that doesn't mean that imaging is of no value in sinusitis cases, he
added. With prolonged or recurrent sinusitis or complications, computed
tomography (CT) is the test of choice and works well, he noted.

"Early referral to an otolaryngologist is indicated in the most severe
cases or where symptoms are out of proportion with findings," Sherris
said. "The specialist can perform nasal endoscopy and accurately assess
the most subtle CT scan findings."

Although the new study confirms some observations that Sherris has made
during years of clinical practice, it would have been stronger if it had
used the symptom system from the American Academy of Otolaryngology Head
and Neck Surgery, Sherris said. "It is more complete than the one
presented in this article, and though not infallible, is better to
diagnose acute sinusitis."

Sherris also faulted the researchers' choice of antibiotics.
"Amoxicillin, unless used in very high doses, is not a good first line
antibiotic in acute sinusitis," he said. "Amoxicillin-clavulanate
[augmentin] is a better choice, and is now generic in the United States.
If there is an allergy to penicillin, physicians should consider
azithromycin or a respiratory quinolone."

More information

For more on rhinitis, head to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention.

http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/health/feeds/hscout/2006/12/18/hscout536440.html

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MZB - 19 Dec 2006 06:41 GMT
Good article and good critique at the end. Amoxicillan has not always done
the job for me.

Mel
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judy.n - 20 Dec 2006 17:54 GMT
I saw this study when it was published, and unfortunately it shares
similar flaws to a review by the Cochrance Collaborative--the evidence
based medicine gurus-that concluded that antibiotis should be withheld
in acute sinuitis.
 In many patients, acute sinusitis is self-limiting, but that number
is unclear. The number usually quoted is about 60%. (Based on what??)
 As we who post here know, in many patients sinusitis is not
self-limiting and clearly requires prompt treatment. No mention was
made of brain abscesses, chronic osteomyelitis, central venous
thrombosis and perio-orbital cellulits from untreated or under-treated
sinusitis.
 I reviewed the Cochrane review several years ago for American Family
Physician: they looked at 3000 studies, and discarded all but 3. They
based the diagnosis of sinusitis on plain x-ray or sinus
aspiration--not the clinical parameters suggested by the Society of
Otolaryngologists. The three studies that they looked at used average
dose amoxicillin and showed a slight trend toward effectiveness. They
did not review the other 2793 studies.
 These type of studies are embraced as evidence that should guide
clinical practice. I find that residents deny patients antibiotics all
the time, following the evidence. Clearly antibiotics need to be
prescribed judiciously to avoid overuse and increased resistance, but
to state globally that antibiotics are not indicated in acute sinusitis
is flawed and will lead to denial of antibiotic therapy in the subset
of patients who require it, all based on the evidence.
 Medicine is trying to be more scientific and less anectodotal, but
often the evidence, like in this study which utilized flawed diagnosis
and treatment criteria, can lead to the wrong conclusions.
 Garbage in, garbage out. It's the flaw of evidence based medicine.
 Large HMO's--like Kaiser, and residencies--will use studies like this
to create clinical practice guidelines that will state that the
standard of care for acute sinusitis and acute bronchitis is
symptomatic relief, and not antibiotics.
 Scary, because patients don't fit neatly into guidelines.
Judy
> Good article and good critique at the end. Amoxicillan has not always done
> the job for me.
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kathywb2001@yahoo.com - 22 Dec 2006 03:08 GMT
>   I reviewed the Cochrane review several years ago for American Family
> Physician: they looked at 3000 studies, and discarded all but 3. They
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> dose amoxicillin and showed a slight trend toward effectiveness. They
> did not review the other 2793 studies.

How did they choose which 3 studies to review?  Why were the others
discarded?  
Kathyw
kathywb2001@yahoo.com - 22 Dec 2006 03:02 GMT
> Antibiotics Mostly Useless for Sinusitis
> 12.18.06, 12:00 AM ET

When I first read this I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.  I
decided the latter was the most apporpriate.  I'm afraid that this
study has sent us back into the "dark ages."  Even though I agree with
the author that acute sinusitis is self limiting in most cases and
doesn't need antibiotics,  I'm afraid, as is the general rule, this
will be the study of the "year" (or longer) and most family physcians
will just read the first part of it and decide that sinsuitis does not
need to be treated with antibiotics at all, and that will lead  more
people developing chronic problems.  Maybe at least they won't
prescribe amoxicillin anymore for it, because, like Mel,  I've always
felt like it is useless anyway.  So this just makes the study more
flawed in my opinion.

Hopefully, most doctors will read Dr. Sherris' review.  He is the
doctor who did my last surgery and he DID find subtle changes on CT
scan that other doctors had missed for years that correlated with my
symptoms all along.  I'm afraid that it may be too late to do a lot of
good now though, as I have recently gotten a bone scan (that I've asked
for for years) and there is strong indication that there is still
infection in the bone.  

Kathyw
judy.n - 23 Dec 2006 01:28 GMT
Kathy,
 When I think about this article, and the the Cochrane review--(they
had strict criteria, that were invalid: studies had to diagnose
sinusitis with plain xrays or sinus aspiration--not clinical
criteria--that's why they excluded the vast majority: a huge mistake.)
 Here's what I think: if you look at sinus CT's when people have a
cold, they almost always show maxillary sinus abnormalities within
three days of the cold starting---now, most of these people will
resolve their colds on their own. Did the abnormal CT's mean that
everyone with a cold has a sinusitis? I don't think so.
 The clinical guidelines that the ENT's write use criteria like:
fever, facial pain, severe symtoms, purulent nasal drainage, tooth
pain, positional facial pain, prolonged symptoms and generalized
fatigue. I think that if you meet the clinical criteria for sinusitis,
you quite possibly would benefit from antibiotics. I believe this was
the critque that your ENT stated--they used a narrow definition of
sinusitis.
 Cochrane said sinusitis=abnormal plain xrays and/or sinus
aspirations. I didn't read this article in depth to know their
criteria.
 I have no doubt that many people get a cold, get a mild sinusitis,
and resolve it on their own. I'm afraid this article will be used to
deny antibiotics to everyone with sinusitis and that would be a
tremendous mistake.
 Judy
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> Kathyw
MZB - 23 Dec 2006 02:31 GMT
Judy:

The next step for me, should my sinus problems return (and I'm sure they
will) is a CT Scan.

Now, I'm sort of wondering:  is it a worthwhile test??

Mel
> Kathy,
>  When I think about this article, and the the Cochrane review--(they
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>> Kathyw
judy.n - 23 Dec 2006 13:45 GMT
Definitely: the key is to get it when you feel well: CT's and MRI's
have both false positives and false negatives: almost every MRI I see
of the head reports on some mucosal thickening of some sinus, in
patients without symptoms. On the other hand, people can be
chronically, constantly, actively infected, and the CT can look pretty
normal.
 However, the CT can show perisistant abnormalities even when you feel
well--and that can indiicate a sinus that is functionally not draining
or aerating, and it can show anatomical abnormalities that occlude the
ostea and might benefit from a surgical approach.
 Mucoceles--cysts filled with mucous can show up. All sorts of things.
 A sinus CT, without contrast, is the best way to image your
sinuses--some centers had 3-D capabilities that they use in surgery as
well.
 What I was saying is that when you have a cold, your sinuses are
swollen and full of mucous on CT. Murray Grossan has posted that he
doesn't allow patients to use his irrigator for 2 days before a CT
because the fluid from his irrigator shows up in the sinuses on CT for
a day or 2 and can be read as a persistant fluid level--which is usally
consider infection. (It is a little concerning that pulsatile
irrigation leaves fluid in your sinuses, at least to me. But no one has
ever written about what sinuses look like on CT after neti pots or
Neimed bottle irrigations. I'll bet since neti pot has low pressure,
that little fluid persists, but who knows?)
 I'd get the CT so you know what you're dealing with.
 Once, I had this horrible pain over my right frontal sinus, and no
amount of antibiotics made it better--it would come in severe
waves--and CT showed a frontal sinus mucocele. I was immediately sent
up to Boston, and at the time, they approached the surgery through your
face and it was a big, scary deal, and my local ENT got a repeat scan a
few weeks later, and it had gone down. So, the Boston ENT felt it waxed
and waned, and wasn't likely to errode into my brain--like the last
patient he operated on (he showed me her brain abscess CT just to
really scare me.) Ultimately I did have surgery on that frontal sinus,
and it led to a year of a bone infection, and who knows if it was the
right thing to do. Two smaller surgeries later--by my local ENT--and a
daily low dose of biaxin--I've done well. But I needed that CT to
figure out what was going on.
 Judy
> Judy:
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> >> Kathyw
MZB - 23 Dec 2006 19:24 GMT
Judy:

Doc wants me to get the Ct Scan if (more likely when) my sinus problems
return.

He seems to think they can distinguish between pus and a real abnormality.

Do you think that's a mistake (getting it when I'm sick)?

My routine physical is set for 4/28 so I can ask again at that time (who
knows is my sinus problem will return before then -- it could return
tomorrow or in one year!)

BTW, I understand you are a physician. How do you even practice when the
sinus problems get bad?

Mel

Mel
> Definitely: the key is to get it when you feel well: CT's and MRI's
> have both false positives and false negatives: almost every MRI I see
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>> >> Kathyw
judy.n - 23 Dec 2006 22:15 GMT
Mel,
 You'd be amazed at how many physicians have sinus issues. Just like
people in all other profession,-- sinusitis is very common.
 When I think back, I can't imagine how I made it through my
internship pregnant--22+ years ago. (And I did have some sinus
infections during internship too--although I only took antibiotics if
my ob okayed them.) Actually my older daughter is engaged to an intern:
and despite all the attempts to reduce the residents' work hours--his
internship is grueling.
 Off the top of my head, I can think of a number of colleagues who've
had sinus surgery.
 I work with a great pediatric allergist who has had some major sinus
problems, and we'll discuss work, and then we "talk sinuses". My ENT
has had a history of sinus problems, which is part of the reason he's
so wonderful to work with--he really understands what patients feel.
 For me, low dose biaxin has been extremely helpful--I came across the
work of Anders Cervin at a faculty development conference in 2002, when
they were teaching us how to do internet searches, and it has made a
huge impact on my sinus problems. So has continued allergy shots.
 I work with a dean at the medical school, and she once commented that
I was lucky that I could get access to medications and physicians, and
she's right. Not that I haven't had my share of unfortunate outcomes,
and worthless consults, but I can search the literature and have access
to to databases at a medical school library, and that gives me access
to some more information. Although, I wouldn't be posting on this
group, or reading if I had all the answers. No one does.
 I'm very reluctant to "play the doctor card"--it makes my husband
nuts--but sometimes it does open some doors.
 One of the many reasons I really appreciate my ENT is that he is able
to both treat me as a colleague and let me be a patient--a very tough
thing to do.
Judy
> Judy:
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> >> >> Kathyw
judy.n - 23 Dec 2006 22:18 GMT
Mel,
I didn't answer the question of when to get the sinus CT: I'm going by
what my ENT and the other ENT consultants I use tell me--they want to
see the scan when the patient is over the acute infection. They want to
see what it looks like when the patient is at their best. It sounds
like your primary care MD is timing the scan--maybe they should consult
with an ENT about when they'd prefer it be done.
Judy
> Judy:
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> >> >> Kathyw
Murray Grossan - 23 Dec 2006 21:42 GMT
On 12/23/06 5:45 AM, in article
1166881541.101433.98040@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com, "judy.n"

>  On the other hand, people can be
> chronically, constantly, actively infected, and the CT can look pretty
> normal.

This doesn't happen with the CT scans.
You can have a nasal infection and not show sinus disease, but CT scans are
quite accurate. You can have a neuralgia or referred pain and call it
sinusitis and the CT will be negative.
MRI for sinuses are very misleading as they show positive with the slightest
mucus.
Susan - 24 Dec 2006 00:05 GMT
> This doesn't happen with the CT scans.
> You can have a nasal infection and not show sinus disease, but CT scans are
> quite accurate. You can have a neuralgia or referred pain and call it
> sinusitis and the CT will be negative.
> MRI for sinuses are very misleading as they show positive with the slightest
> mucus.

Totally false, Murray, from my experience.  My infections, though fully
symptomatic with signs and symptoms, have never shown up on CT scans.
I've read that this is very common with ethmoid sinus disease.

Susan
Murray Grossan - 24 Dec 2006 22:00 GMT
On 12/23/06 4:05 PM, in article 4v5uh8F1anp9oU1@mid.individual.net, "Susan"
<nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:

> x-no-archive: yes
>
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>
> Susan
Susan, there are caveats. In other words, you can have a biofilm nasal
disease/infection that is not sinusitis. You can have referred pain,
neuralgia, many things that are not actually sinusitis. Perhaps you are
referring to the flat plate type CT. Also, a vacuum sinusitis won't show but
that is not acute sinus infection.
I see a patient daily that says he had a sinus x ray that didn't show a
sinus infection but is being treated, etc and the diagnosis is something
else, including referred cervicogenic pain. I believe your infections were
something else or the films were not able to "layer". Our CT are so finely
layered it is not possible to miss a fluid level or bony erosion or
thickened mucosa.
Susan - 25 Dec 2006 04:19 GMT
> Susan, there are caveats. In other words, you can have a biofilm nasal
> disease/infection that is not sinusitis. You can have referred pain,
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> layered it is not possible to miss a fluid level or bony erosion or
> thickened mucosa.

We have heard of many reports in which bone was found to be infected in
ethmoid sinus disease in surgery that was not apparent on CT scan.

Susan
judy.n - 26 Dec 2006 13:32 GMT
No test is perfect, and I doubt that you base surgical treatment solely
on the CT. I posted on the other thread as well: a vacuum sinusitis
implies blockage, a biofilm infection is still an infection--although
you've indicated that you believe it is confined to the nasal mucosa.
 I'm sure you have a state of the art CT scanner, but I would imagine
that the imagining is only one piece of the clinical picture, and even
a very high tech, finely sliced 3-D scanner is not 100% sensitive and
specific.
 I still belive that we treat the patient, not the test.
Judy
> On 12/23/06 4:05 PM, in article 4v5uh8F1anp9oU1@mid.individual.net, "Susan"
> <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
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> layered it is not possible to miss a fluid level or bony erosion or
> thickened mucosa.
kathywb2001@yahoo.com - 26 Dec 2006 17:15 GMT
>   I still belive that we treat the patient, not the test.
> Judy

Well said, Judy.  Thanks.

Kathyw
judy.n - 26 Dec 2006 23:15 GMT
Thanks Kathy,
 Technology is helpful, but never the final answer. I get upset when
tests are used to invalidate what patients are experiencing. Yes, the
CT can clarify if the pain is "acute sinusitis"--fluid and/or thickened
mucosa and osteal obstruction, but they are just one piece of the
clinical puzzle, and are literally a snap shot in time.
 If I know my body, and I know I am infected--and a rigid endoscopy or
a CT doesn't validate my perception, we still need to weigh my
perception as meaningful--not discount it and tell me the pain is
referred or psycosomatic.
  When I had surgery in Boston in 2000, and the Boston ENT refused to
see me in follow up, because all of his patients always have good
outcomes, my local ENT had to endoscope me a number of times before we
found the pseudomonas osteomyelitis. He couldn't find the infection
right away, but he believed me when I told him that fever, localized
pain, fatigue, bits of dead bone when I irrigated-- just weren't right.
My CT just showed massive surgical changes and scars and adhesions from
the surgery.
 I'd love if it chronic sinusitis was simple, but it's not.
 Judy
> >   I still belive that we treat the patient, not the test.
> > Judy
>
> Well said, Judy.  Thanks.
>
> Kathyw
rick@spamgmail.com - 24 Dec 2006 03:26 GMT
>On 12/23/06 5:45 AM, in article
>1166881541.101433.98040@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com, "judy.n"
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>MRI for sinuses are very misleading as they show positive with the slightest
>mucus.

As a patient, I agree.  My first CT scan, in which the infection
apparently wasn't all gone, showed blockage (if that's the correct
term) in my right ethmoid.  Several months later, after aggressive
antibiotic therapy, and re CT-scan, using the same facility, and same
scanner, showed clear.  

Doctors need to make sure their patients are as infection-free as they
can be before doing the tests, so as to prevent unnecessary surgery.

Rick
kathywb2001@yahoo.com - 24 Dec 2006 06:04 GMT
> This doesn't happen with the CT scans.
> You can have a nasal infection and not show sinus disease, but CT scans are
> quite accurate.

Dr. Grossan,
    I'm just wondering how many patients have come to you complaining
of symptoms of sinusitis, and you've told them that they didn't have it
because it didn't show up on the CT scan?  I know myself as well as
many other here have had significant ethmoid disease that did not show
up on CT scans, but at surgery there was disease.  I just recently had
a bone scan, and it now shows I have infection in the remaining ethmoid
bones.  Even the ENT who did my last surgery in July  to open up my
sphonoids which had been blocked (and is very well respected) had not
thought the ethmoids were involved.  I had also sent CT scans to
another well respected ENT who also did not detect ethmoid disease.  So
what am I supposed to do now?  My current ENT has said it is too close
to my brain to do surgery, but I am miserable, and don't know how much
more of this I can stand.

Kathw
judy.n - 24 Dec 2006 14:53 GMT
Kathy, maybe a second/third opinion? Some surgeons--like Peter Catalano
at Lahey, will take on really tough cases.
 I have to search for the reference: but I have definitely seen an
article where "clear" CT's showed disease on subsequent surgery. There
was a JAMA article by Kennedy several years ago that referenced the
false negatives of sinus CT's. There is no perfect test. If Dr. Grossan
feels that CT is completely sensitive and specific, why does he tell
patients not to irrigate for 2 days before a CT?
 Bottom line: you shouldn't be miserable.
 I did have lot of ethmoid pain after a big surgery and bone
infection, and my ENT went in to clean up some thick adhesions near my
ethmoids, and he found some "posterior spurring" and an overly narrow
area which he felt caused a lot of the pain--he also found some
infected ethmoids he hadn't expected. After that last surgery, my
chronic right frontal/ethmoid pain got so much better. We did it in a
surgicenter under local sedation--I asked to avoid general anesthesia.
 Judy

> > This doesn't happen with the CT scans.
> > You can have a nasal infection and not show sinus disease, but CT scans are
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> Kathw
kathywb2001@yahoo.com - 24 Dec 2006 17:46 GMT
> Kathy, maybe a second/third opinion? Some surgeons--like Peter Catalano
> at Lahey, will take on really tough cases.

Thanks Judy.   I was having a really bad day yesterday;  today I'm
feeling a lot better.  I never know from one day to the next whether I
will be able to function that day or not.  I do have a good ID doctor I
am seeing again at the first of January and a new ENT that is
affilitated with him and Emory University (6 hour drive).  I would
prefer to go back to Dr. Sherris, but I don't see going to Buffalo from
Tennesse an option this time of year unless I absolutely have to (12
hour drive);  flying isn't an option at this point.  He has already
told me that he would put me on IV antitiotics if I have evidence of
infection on a bone scan and a postitive culture.  The only problem is
that I've been on and off of both antifungals and antibitiotics since
my last surgery in July, and it's hard to get a positive culture, but I
can't function at all when I go off of either of them.  I have had both
mold (including Blastomyces) and several different bacteria cultured
out over the last 2 years.  Ireally need to know exactly what I am
getting treated first.  I do have a couple of cultures pending from
some nasty looking drainage that came out when I first went back on the
VFend and doxycycline together.  That combination seems to be working
the best for now and I need to stay on it at least until after
Christmas.  I'm just a little leary that if I'm not having symptoms or
the new ENT doesn't see anything when I go, it will ruin the
relationship with my ID doctor;  then I don't know what I will do
because it took me a long time to find him.

My current ENT is trying to say that the postivie uptake on the bone
scan in the exact same areas where I have had the excruciating pain
(ethmoids and mid maxillaries) behind my nose, is from surgery that I
had 7 years ago, even though I continue to have ths awful tasting
gritty, nasty looking drainage from time to time, and I've shown it to
him.  And he actually told me at one time that bacteria are probably
trapped in the bone.  It couldn't be from this last surgery becaue all
Dr. Sherris did was open up my sphenoids and frontals and the bone scan
didn't show anything there.

Dr. Kennedy is the ENT that I sent a CT scan to that I had done at
National Jewish Medical Center that showed mild ethmoid and maxillary
disease with reactive bone formation that could be old osteomyelitis.
All I ever heard back was that I wasn't a candidate for surgery at this
time.

So, this is getting very frustrating.  I even won a disabiltiy claim
becasue the judge reviewed all my records and listened to my symtpoms
and determined that I was not able to work.  Too bad he can't treat me
for this.

Anyway,  I will keep Dr. Catalano in mind also.  I have to keep trying
to find help.

I hope you and everyone else have a wonderful sinusitis free (or at
least managable) Holiday.

Kathyw
Murray Grossan - 24 Dec 2006 22:05 GMT
On 12/23/06 10:04 PM, in article
1166940276.292733.314670@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com,

>> This doesn't happen with the CT scans.
>> You can have a nasal infection and not show sinus disease, but CT scans are
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> Kathw

To repeat, I see patient's daily whose sinus X rays didn't show disease. But
they had "sinus symptoms". The goal is to find why they have the symptoms.
Sometimes its migraine, or cervicogenic or neuralgic or vacuum. And
sometimes a different CT is needed.
When you are in doing surgery you see areas that are better removed or
opened, but that is not the same as sinusitis.
Helge Rebhan - 12 Jan 2007 17:17 GMT
> This doesn't happen with the CT scans.
> You can have a nasal infection and not show sinus disease, but CT scans are
> quite accurate. You can have a neuralgia or referred pain and call it
> sinusitis and the CT will be negative.
> MRI for sinuses are very misleading as they show positive with the slightest
> mucus.

So is MRI hardly ever used for sinusitis diagonsis? I have a reoccuring
weak sinusitis everz 2-3 weeks and I wonder what is the best approach to
a.ses the real causes in my case? I believe that one or two teeths could
be well responsible but simple exams and x-rays did not reveal anything
sofar.
 
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