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Found a patch of mold on the wall of my bedroom...

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mr_lamouche - 29 Nov 2006 12:59 GMT
Was moving my bed, cleaning etc, and found a square of mold on my wall,
the adjacent room is the bathroom/shower so I guess water has got into
the wall.

Given I seem to have constant rhinitis, tho no allergies coming up on
tests, is it likely this could be causing problems for me? How bad does
the mold have to be to be an issue? The wall is fairly healthy looking
at least on the outside, just a little bubbly and peeling...it's not an
old house I live in.

Also how much can say, a bedroom, affect sinuses? If I changed room for
a week could this actually tell me anything or is being in the same
house as this moldy wall bad enough?

I know mold is meant to be worse in summer also, but my problems have
definitely peaked both this year and last year at almost exactly this
time of year...making me think maybe heating is a problem too...
Steven L. - 29 Nov 2006 13:37 GMT
> Was moving my bed, cleaning etc, and found a square of mold on my wall,
> the adjacent room is the bathroom/shower so I guess water has got into
> the wall.
>
> Given I seem to have constant rhinitis, tho no allergies coming up on
> tests, is it likely this could be causing problems for me?

Depends on what strain of mold it is.  They range from fairly harmless
to really toxic.

But if mold has actually gotten across to the bedroom side of the wall,
then the mold infestation is really deep.  Are you sure there are no
pipe leaks inside the wall?  It sounds like you need to have a
contractor check what's going on in there.

> I know mold is meant to be worse in summer also, but my problems have
> definitely peaked both this year and last year at almost exactly this
> time of year...making me think maybe heating is a problem too...

What type of heating system do you have?

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mr_lamouche - 29 Nov 2006 13:48 GMT
It's oil fuelled, with radiators around the house. The burner is in a
small room closed off, away from the house...

As regards this and the mold, would a humidifier help, I mean I see
people discussing their use of them but have no real idea if it's worth
getting one.

Just recently been tested for allergies again with no results, tho it
was the usual skin prick test and histamine challenge...

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> > the adjacent room is the bathroom/shower so I guess water has got into
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> It's oil fuelled, with radiators around the house. The burner is in a
> small room closed off, away from the house...
>
> As regards this and the mold, would a humidifier help, I mean I see
> people discussing their use of them but have no real idea if it's worth
> getting one.

Until you get the source of the mold corrected, putting humidity into
the air with a humidifier is going to make the mold growth much worse.
Don't!  Dryness is the only thing keeping the mold from growing even more.

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Shirley ann - 30 Nov 2006 11:15 GMT
My daughter just found mold in their attic too. She has a leak in her
roof.

She needs a new roof that they have been putting it off since last
summer.

shirleyann
kathywb2001@yahoo.com - 05 Dec 2006 19:04 GMT
> As regards this and the mold, would a humidifier help, > >
> > > I know mold is meant to be worse in summer also, but my problems have

You need a DEhumidifier!!!

Kathyw
Susan - 05 Dec 2006 19:57 GMT
>>As regards this and the mold, would a humidifier help, > >
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> Kathyw

That's not going to do the trick if it's from inside the wall.

Susan
Susan - 29 Nov 2006 15:18 GMT
> Was moving my bed, cleaning etc, and found a square of mold on my wall,
> the adjacent room is the bathroom/shower so I guess water has got into
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> tests, is it likely this could be causing problems for me? How bad does
> the mold have to be to be an issue?

YES.  Lots of allergies are missed by skin or RAST testing.  Mold inside
the wall also has the distinct possibility of causing even worse disease
neurologically, if it's stachybotros.

 The wall is fairly healthy looking
> at least on the outside, just a little bubbly and peeling...it's not an
> old house I live in.
>
> Also how much can say, a bedroom, affect sinuses? If I changed room for
> a week could this actually tell me anything or is being in the same
> house as this moldy wall bad enough?

A bedroom is the most culpable, often, since you stay in one spot for
more hours, breathing deeply than any other part of the house daily,
typically.

> I know mold is meant to be worse in summer also, but my problems have
> definitely peaked both this year and last year at almost exactly this
> time of year...making me think maybe heating is a problem too...

Perpaps because windows are closed and the air isn't being exchanged, or
leaf mold is added to the mix?

Susan
mr_lamouche - 30 Nov 2006 09:37 GMT
I think I'll try sleeping in a different room for a while to see if it
improves me at all. So weak and so much pain in the usual place the
last little while, plus breathing in my chest very difficult, still
just attribute that to PND, did a pretty rigorous peak flow test last
week, tho am due back to a chest physician...

Thanks for the advice.

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kathywb2001@yahoo.com - 05 Dec 2006 19:41 GMT
> I think I'll try sleeping in a different room for a while to see if it
> improves me at all. So weak and so much pain in the usual place the
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> Thanks for the advice.

This is part of a post that I made on anohter thread and meant it for
this one and have added a little bit more.

I think you need to have the mold removed  and the entire area
remediated.including possibly taking out the entire wall in the
bedroom, and leave the house while it was being done.  Get some air
purifiers to get rid of any spores that might be floating around
afterwards.  After a remediation or cleanup the mold can actually be
worse because it stirs up the spores. You also need to find the source
of the mold;  sounds like it is in the bathroom.  If you can't get this
done right now or you want to experiment to see if the mold may be
causing you the problem, I would wall off the affected areas from the
rest of the house and still buy a couple of good air purifiers (not
ionizing)  for the other parts of the house where you are in the most.
If it is determined that the mold is the porblem,  you also need to
thoroughly clean any thing in the bedroom that can be washed in borax
solution and I would discard anything that can't be washed just as a
precaution in case this is Stachybotrys or one of the other molds that
can produce toxins.  The other main ones that can do so are Fusarium,
Acremonium, Aspergillus, and Penicillium.  If you decide to do the
remediation, I would have the mold tested.

I agree with Dr. Grossan that most people aren't going to be affected
by mold, but I am one of those RARE persons whose life has literally
been destroyed by my exposure which was long term.   Your problem could
be totally allergic, but according to the newest Mayo theory, it is not
an actual allergy in many cases, but an abnormal immune response that
only predisposed people (genetic) produce to its presence.  This sets
up an inflammatory reaction that then creates the condtions for
bacteria to grow in your sinuses.  This can be just to everyday
exposure to common molds also.  So, it is very unlikely that you
actually have a fungal infection unless you are immunocompromised, but
it can cause you to be more susceptible to the bacterial infections.
And if it's growing in your walls you are being doubly exposed.   Then
also as mentioned there is the possibility of a reaction to
toxins.  I know there is a lot of controversy concerning this, but
believe me, I know from experience and have the testing to prove it,
that it can have devastating effects.  I don't know how much exposure
it takes to make one sick and again some are effected more than others.

I don't mean to scare you and there probably isn't any need to panic,
but I would take this seriously.  I do think a lot of people overreact
to just a patch of mold being found in a closet, etc., but that is much
different than Stachybotrys or another toxic mold growing in your wall.

Have you tried sleeping in another room yet?   If so, can you see a
difference?

Good luck!! Let us know what you decide to do and if it helps.

Kathyw
kathywb2001@yahoo.com - 05 Dec 2006 19:31 GMT
> I know mold is meant to be worse in summer also, but my problems have
> definitely peaked both this year and last year at almost exactly this
> time of year...making me think maybe heating is a problem too...

The heating could be part of the problem,  stirs up the mold spores
that may be in the air ducts,   but late October and November are the
peak months for mold because that's when all of the leaves are falling
off the trees, and other vegetation is dying, and molding.  This time
of year is always worse for me too.  

Kathyw
Susan - 05 Dec 2006 19:58 GMT
> The heating could be part of the problem,  stirs up the mold spores
> that may be in the air ducts,   but late October and November are the
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> Kathyw

It's also when we seal ourselves up inside our houses, with bathroom and
cooking steam.

Susan
mr_lamouche - 08 Dec 2006 20:54 GMT
Moved room for this week...made no difference...am now back in room..

So I guess the moldy wall may not be the problem...

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mr_lamouche - 08 Dec 2006 21:05 GMT
oh yeah and susan, you're right about not getting outside, still can
never be sure if freezing cold isn't just as bad!

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mr_lamouche - 08 Dec 2006 22:58 GMT
Oh yeah and I must say I'm leaning towards buying a humidifier....am I
wrong to so quickly assume the mold is not my problem?

Personally I agree with my ENT who believes I have non allergic
rhinitis...I just know I felt better in warmer weather and without the
heating on...this is the second year in a row December has seen my
health plummet....I can't even breath in my chest well at the moment,
feels like someone is sitting on it...causes almost anxiety symptoms
which I never had prior to my sinus problems becoming chronic and
noticeable....i'm sure it must be pnd doing this...

> oh yeah and susan, you're right about not getting outside, still can
> never be sure if freezing cold isn't just as bad!
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kathywb2001@yahoo.com - 09 Dec 2006 00:04 GMT
> Oh yeah and I must say I'm leaning towards buying a humidifier....am I
> wrong to so quickly assume the mold is not my problem?

In my opinion, Yes!!!  And a humidifier will only make it worse if it
is.

Kathyw
mr_lamouche - 09 Dec 2006 00:21 GMT
Moved room for this week...made no difference...am now back in room..

So I guess the moldy wall may not be the problem...

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kathywb2001@yahoo.com - 09 Dec 2006 03:55 GMT
> Moved room for this week...made no difference...am now back in room..
>
> So I guess the moldy wall may not be the problem...
>
>If it is just a patch of mold that has formed on the wall, then there is probably nothing to be concerned about, but I thought you said the bedroom is adjacent to the bathroom.  If there is a leak in the plumbing, etc. and mold has gotten into the wall to the point that it is actually coming out on the other side, then there could be a real problem.  Try cleaning it and see if it comes back.  I really don't think you would see that much difference just being out of the room for a week.  Any way if the mold should be in the wall, then it could be in other parts of the house also.  Hopefully this is not your problem, but I wouldn't rule it out just yet.

Kathyw
 
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