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Would surgery even be called for here
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MZB - 18 Nov 2006 20:40 GMT OK, I hope my sinus infection is all gone. I'll know after my antibiotics is done (after Sunday).
My question is this: I am getting sinus infections that seem worse each time. Yet, the symptoms are an inflamed feeling in the sinuses, a vicious sore throat (and doc. always seems to see the tracks that indicate it comes from my sinuses), and terrible fatigue (always feeling feverish). It is tough to function this way.
YET, I never have any breathing problems whatsoever and rarely do I get headaches or facial pain. Could this still likely be surgical? If it is, I would worry about having breathing problems AFTER the surgery. Is that even a rational worry?
Anyway, I know a CT Scan and perhaps a look into my sinuses would be the next step and that would reveal more I would hope. But, any thoughts based on the symptoms? Could polyps (or a mucosal cysts) be responsible for sinus infections?? I would think if it can't drain, then wouldn't I have breathing problems??
Mel
rick@spamgmail.com - 19 Nov 2006 17:25 GMT >OK, I hope my sinus infection is all gone. I'll know after my antibiotics is >done (after Sunday). [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Mel Instead of worrying yourself silly (I speak as an expert in silliness), if your infection comes back, I would go on a 4 week course of Levaquin, some prednisone, and a horse pill decongestant. Then get a CT scan at the end of that month. The scans should show whether there's anything needing surgery or if you're clear. If it's clear, think about getting tested for allergies, and if those results are positive, get allergy shots.
You are correct in being concerned about surgery, so you should take whatever steps you can to avoid it (as mentioned above).
For now, enjoy the fact that you don't have any symptoms, and do not worry that you're bound to relapse. Where is it written that you will? If you do, the above course of treatment worked for me, and I'm surgery-free and (for now) recovered from chronic sinusitis. Whatever symptoms I have now that would have normally caused infections (and I had basically one continuous infection in 2005 and half of 2006) stays on an allergy-irritant level, and doesn't develop into a secondary infection. I have immunotherapy to thank for that.
Your concerns about having surgery even before a CT scan remind me not only of mine with sinusitis, but a few years ago when I went to a noted neurosurgeon for possible neck/back surgery. Not only was I really worried about having another surgery on my back (which I decided not to do - I made the right decision), but he did a tuning fork test on the side of my head, muttered "that's very unusual" and ordered an MRI of my brain.
Talk about scared. I figured I was going to die in 6 months. Then after the MRI, I called to get the results, and the results were negative. All that worrying was needless.
Rick
Murray Grossan - 20 Nov 2006 20:56 GMT On 11/19/06 9:25 AM, in article sc31m2djrnhpmovf9p84ve7l3d3260pdg1@4ax.com,
>> OK, I hope my sinus infection is all gone. I'll know after my antibiotics is >> done (after Sunday). [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Rick Yes the antibiotic does kill the infection, but if your nasal cilia don't return to full activity, then the next bacteria, instead of being swept away will remain in the nose and generate another infection. Speak to your doctor about steps to restore normal cilia funcition including huge amounts of tea, pulsatile irrigation, etc.
fggfgf - 21 Nov 2006 01:27 GMT > Yes the antibiotic does kill the infection, but if your nasal cilia don't > return to full activity, then the next bacteria, instead of being swept away > will remain in the nose and generate another infection. Speak to your doctor > about steps to restore normal cilia funcition including huge amounts of tea, > pulsatile irrigation, etc. 1. What kind of tea?
2. What is a huge amount?
Steven L. - 19 Nov 2006 19:53 GMT > OK, I hope my sinus infection is all gone. I'll know after my antibiotics is > done (after Sunday). [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > would worry about having breathing problems AFTER the surgery. Is that even > a rational worry? Recurrent acute sinus infections suggest something is chronically wrong with your sinuses. You want to find out what it is before you finally get a sinus infection that won't go away despite all non-surgical treatment, and leave you with chronic sinusitis.
Don't make the same mistake I did. Don't think that just because you beat each sinus infection in the past that you will be able to beat the next one in the future. Eventually my luck ran out and now I have permanent chronic sinusitis.
See an ENT, complain about recurrent infections, and ask for a CT scan. At least he will be able to determine whether anything is wrong with your sinuses that is contributing to the infections; and whether it could be getting worse to the point that your sinusitis becomes chronic.
That doesn't necessarily mean you will need surgery. But you do need to start aggressively investigating the cause of your repeated sinus infections. Unlike simple common colds, bacterial sinusitis is not a normal part of life.
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rick@spamgmail.com - 21 Nov 2006 02:35 GMT >> OK, I hope my sinus infection is all gone. I'll know after my antibiotics is >> done (after Sunday). [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Recurrent acute sinus infections suggest something is chronically wrong >with your sinuses. Steven,
Or it might suggest that something ISN'T chronically wrong with his sinuses, as my experiences have proven.
Rick
kathywb2001@yahoo.com - 21 Nov 2006 04:40 GMT If you are doing so well on the biaxin, I would ask for at least another week NOW to make sure that you have gotten rid of it. Not treating it long enough when you've had it for several months can lead to chronic sinusitis, if you are not there yet. As mentioned by others, sometimes it takes a month to 6 weeks of continuous treatment to clear it up. Then the next step would be to see an ENT and have a CT scan if it comes back within a few weeks or months. Even then going to something stronger, would be the next option in my opinion before considering surgery unless there is an obvious blockage on CT scan. If ANY of the ostia are blocked (that includes the "overlooked" sphenoid sinuses which would cause symptoms deep in the head; on top and back or can be generalized to just about anywhere; NO amount of antibitoics are going to help if that is the case, so the sooner you have surgery the better,. In my opinion if you op for surgery, you should have the least invasive surgery possible unless things are really a "mess." The most common and successful) procedure (for most people) that is done now is minimally invasive endoscopic surgery to just widen the openings into the ostiomeatial complex so that it can drain better, no windows nor excess tissue removal unless specifically indicated; leaves more room for more microbes to invade.
On the other hand, if you have the CT scan and the ENT says you are fine, but you dont feel like it and keep getting recurring symptoms that you know have been related to sinusitis and you have exhausted other options like allergies, then you need to keep checking around for an ENT who treats the SYMPTOMS as well as CT scans. CT scans do not always tell the entire story and there can be a lot of false negatives as well as false positive.
I know it sounds like I am against surgery, but I'm NOT. As a matter of fact, I think it was delayed too long and/or undertreated in my case and therefore became chronic. It's just that I think that most of us who keep posting here are the exception, not the rule. Not everyone with a sinus infection should rush out to have surgery without exhausting other options first. Having said that , I would not let this go on for months to years without considering surgery as an option, but make sure you find an experienced surgeon even if you have to go to another state to get it done. Do your own research, get copies of your records. You will have to be your own advocate and may still run into a lot of obstacles. Hopefully, the antibiotics will be the answer.
Kathyw
MZB - 21 Nov 2006 20:37 GMT Kathy et. al.:
Thanks for your responses. I did call the doctor and we will continue the biaxin XL for 2 more weeks (Sunday was my last day and I have some faint feelings -- slightly sore throat, slight chills, etc. to suggest that it could still be rustling up).
Hopefully, missing just one day of the antibiotics will not cause any problems.
I have a feeling the antibiotics are not going to be the answer. I'm much better while on it, but I MIGHT not be OVER it.
Just not sure.
Steve and others: I'm not sure if using a 3rd antibiotic (say levaquin) is that great an idea. I hate being on this current stuff for what will be 5 weeks. If it comes back, it will be time for a CT Scan I predict.
Mel
> If you are doing so well on the biaxin, I would ask for at least > another week NOW to make sure that you have gotten rid of it. Not [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Kathyw rocketsman - 24 Nov 2006 15:13 GMT I second Kathy's views. Same thing happened with me
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