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laura123 - 09 Nov 2006 20:13 GMT
I have been receiving allergy treatment from the adult and child
allergy medical center in hacienda height, la for 1 year.  I just found
out that they cut my dosage everytime the nurses think i have big bump
after the shot.  Is this a good way to treat a severe dust-allergic pt
as I have a big bump everytime the shot is over 0.3 concentration?  I
used to receive the shot treatment with Kaiser, who continued the high
concentration for 6 months that I could breath better with tremendous
improvement
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Now I change a doctor who gives the nurse so much leeway that just
prolong my recovery time....
judy.n - 09 Nov 2006 21:19 GMT
My allergist has told me that local reactions never predict systemic
reactions, and he doesn't cut the dose unless you wheeze or have a
systemic reaction--or drop your peak flow if you have asthma. The
nurses need to have very strict guidelines and rationales for backing
off on a dose for a red bump. I also have found that different nurses,
through different techniques, can cause more severe reactions.
 I'd bring it up with the doctor, and review his/her protocol.
 Good luck
Judy
> I have been receiving allergy treatment from the adult and child
> allergy medical center in hacienda height, la for 1 year.  I just found
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> Now I change a doctor who gives the nurse so much leeway that just
> prolong my recovery time....
Susan - 10 Nov 2006 01:39 GMT
> I have been receiving allergy treatment from the adult and child
> allergy medical center in hacienda height, la for 1 year.  I just found
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> Now I change a doctor who gives the nurse so much leeway that just
> prolong my recovery time....

My old allergist did that and after a year all my allergies came back;
she resensitized me to all of them.  I'm back on the miraculously
effective shots that give me a large red bump every time, and I'm only
to stay on the same dose if it doesn't go away within 36 hours,
otherwise I increase it each time.

I'd find another allergist, one who'll desensitize you and get you to
maintenance on a 3 month schedule.

Susan
rick@spamgmail.com - 10 Nov 2006 03:14 GMT
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Susan,

I'm glad you said that.  After Monday's shot, I got some swelling
afterward in my left arm (right arm was fine).  First time.  I
mentioned it to the nurse this evening when I went for my shots,
and she made a note of it.  She gave me the same strength as the last
time. Don't have the bump now.

Interesting to note this is the same nurse whose administration of
shots hurt more than other nurses, so maybe technique plays into this?
Could it be stonger serum (I've basically started on the last and most
potent bottles) coupled with poor shot-giving techniques cause
swelling?

Rick
Susan - 10 Nov 2006 04:09 GMT
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> potent bottles) coupled with poor shot-giving techniques cause
> swelling?

Technique and location of the shot play a role.  Sometimes I inject into
my lateral thigh, which always produces a huge bump, but no
constitutional symptoms.

Susan
judy.n - 10 Nov 2006 19:39 GMT
I've also found that there are sometimes two phases to the local shot
reaction: the immediate hive and I used to get an itchy lump in the
area later on in the day, that could last a day--maybe T cells vs. IgE
reaction?.
Local reactions don't predict serious systemic reactions: this should
be clarified with the allergist.
Yes, there have been rare fatalities with allergy shots, but careful
allergists check peak flows, inquire about itching/swelling of the
throat--the local bump is not a good predictor.
 I was always amazed the the most dilute, first vial could produce an
itchy welt.
 At this point, after so many years, I don't usually get any skin
reactions.
 My daughter gets hers at her university health services, and one
nurse doesn't give it subcutaneously, and she produces a huge bruise
each time. That's not a local reaction, it's trauma.
Judy
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Susan - 10 Nov 2006 19:48 GMT
> I've also found that there are sometimes two phases to the local shot
> reaction: the immediate hive and I used to get an itchy lump in the
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> nurse doesn't give it subcutaneously, and she produces a huge bruise
> each time. That's not a local reaction, it's trauma.

I do my own shots at home, after the initial 12 weekly shots, so
technique is pretty much the same.  I get an itch bump on my upper arm,
too, but a very big one on the lateral thigh.  The nurse suggested that
perhaps it's trauma to a vessel or something, plus different parts react
differently.  I noticed this years ago when a nicotine patch turned my
husband's arm to bloody, red mush, but didn't irritate his back more
than just a little bit.

Susan
rick@spamgmail.com - 11 Nov 2006 02:31 GMT
>I do my own shots at home, after the initial 12 weekly shots, so
>technique is pretty much the same.  I get an itch bump on my upper arm,
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>Susan

I have very sensitive skin, so it's surprising, and welcome, that I
have only had the one bump after shots.  I, too, used the nicotine
patches years ago.  No matter where I put them, my skin would itch,
and produce a redness.  Back then they weren't over the counter, and
insurance didn't cover them.  After about 6 weeks, I'd had enough, and
stopped using them.  They must have done their job - I haven't smoked
since.
 
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