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Roy - 03 Nov 2006 06:50 GMT
For the first time in my life I went to a spiritual service at
a Temple, called the Self-Realization Fellowship Temple
in San Diego.

They had several *air purifiers running* and my sinuses
were fine!

I came home (where I have no air purifiers) and the second
I walked into my apartment in the east county, where I've
been living and having worsening sinus problems for the past
3 1/2 years, I started sneezing, feeling lightheaded and post
nasal drip started gushing.

It appears as though there may be something nasty in the
apartment -- that I never even suspected -- and I don't
know what to do about finding out what it is or if I should
move out. I have no heater or air ducts in this apartment
so it's not coming from there. The place is a bit dirty and
I've found mold in the bathroom and other places just now.

This whole apartment could be infested with something and
I don't know what to do, unless it's something in the county air.
(I had the windows open when I came home)

BUT, it literally hit me like a baseball bat as soon as I walked
in and opened the door, not when I was outside, AFAICT.

--
RB
kathywb2001@yahoo.com - 03 Nov 2006 13:10 GMT
>> I came home (where I have no air purifiers) and the second
> I walked into my apartment in the east county, where I've
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> --
> RB

It sounds like you have found your problem.  If you can afford it, my
suggestion would be to move ASAP.  There could be several culprits.
You could be allergic to the dust and other  "things" in the appartment
includinging mold, but you could also be poisoned by toxins produced by
mold that has been a long standing problem.  There are other molds
besides Stachybotrys, the notorious "black mold" that can produce
toxins under adverse conditions.  The fact that the outdoor air doesn't
seem to affect you would make me at least suspicious of the mycotoxins.
Most of the outdoor molds don't produce them as they are in a normal
habitiat.   If you can't afford to move, I would at least get air
testing done, get any water problems fixed, and get the place as clean
as possible.  Then buy air purifiers to make sure you get most of it
out.  

Kathyw
Roy - 03 Nov 2006 20:29 GMT
> >> I came home (where I have no air purifiers) and the second
> > I walked into my apartment in the east county, where I've
> > been living and having worsening sinus problems for the past
> > 3 1/2 years, I started sneezing, feeling lightheaded and post
> > nasal drip started gushing.

> > It appears as though there may be something nasty in the
> > apartment -- that I never even suspected -- and I don't
> > know what to do about finding out what it is or if I should
> > move out. I have no heater or air ducts in this apartment
> > so it's not coming from there. The place is a bit dirty and
> > I've found mold in the bathroom and other places just now.

> > This whole apartment could be infested with something and
> > I don't know what to do, unless it's something in the county air.
> > (I had the windows open when I came home)

> > BUT, it literally hit me like a baseball bat as soon as I walked
> > in and opened the door, not when I was outside, AFAICT.

> It sounds like you have found your problem.  If you can afford it, my
> suggestion would be to move ASAP.  There could be several culprits.
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> as possible.  Then buy air purifiers to make sure you get most of it
> out.

I went out to a clean hotel, out of desperation, and I still had the some
of the symptoms, but not all.

For example, when I walked into the hotel room, everything was *fine*.
For some reason the sinuses did'nt start acting up until I went to sleep in
the hotel room.

This is confusing me more :( Why would the symptoms still be there at all?
But one thing is for sure, there was no 'basball bat' effect when walking into
the hotel room. But I still could not sleep without taking a buch of Benadryl
and red wine.

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RB
Susan - 03 Nov 2006 21:18 GMT
> I went out to a clean hotel, out of desperation, and I still had the some
> of the symptoms, but not all.
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> the hotel room. But I still could not sleep without taking a buch of Benadryl
> and red wine.

DUST MITES and their antigens.

The more luxurious the hotel, the worse it is, because of the down
comforters and feather pillows.

At home, I have allergy barriers on all my bedding, an air cleaner in my
room, and all hard floors with only area rugs, no dust catching window
treatments, and a cleaning woman who moves everything to dust behind,
under, etc.  Even the backs of furniture and hanging pictures, under the
fridge and stove (you wouldn't believe what comes out of there weekly.

An allergist can help, Astelin antihistamine nasal spray, an oral
antihistamine, irrigation air filtration and scrupulous home hygiene.

Susan
Murray Grossan - 03 Nov 2006 19:08 GMT
On 11/2/06 9:50 PM, in article DLA2h.441$3K7.329@newsfe13.phx, "Roy"
<roy@cox.not> wrote:

> For the first time in my life I went to a spiritual service at
> a Temple, called the Self-Realization Fellowship Temple
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> --
> RB

There are several effective air purifiers available at Sears or the Allergy
Stores - but avoid the Ozone generators.
Roy - 03 Nov 2006 21:13 GMT
> On 11/2/06 9:50 PM, in article DLA2h.441$3K7.329@newsfe13.phx, "Roy"
> There are several effective air purifiers available at Sears or the Allergy
> Stores - but avoid the Ozone generators.

The color of the mold that I've found is black, and it looks
quite a bit like what I've seen on Internet photos. I wonder
if my body has been poisoned by it.

--
RB
kathywb2001@yahoo.com - 03 Nov 2006 23:11 GMT
> The color of the mold that I've found is black, and it looks
> quite a bit like what I've seen on Internet photos. I wonder
> if my body has been poisoned by it.
>
> --
> RB

There are a lot of molds that are black and not toxic.  I didn't mean
to scare you, just give you a possibility.   Stachybotrys is slimy and
black.  I would not disturb it if it is:  as long as it isn't
disturbed, it won't release spores.  Where is it located?  Stachy
usually likes things like cellulose (in ceiling tiles, wallboard, etc.)
Nobody knows for sure if it can release toxins when it isn't airborne,
but would be more likely to do so if it is.   Another common mold that
is black is Cladosporium.  It is not generally toxic, but can be
allerginic.  There are several others.  Decaying plant material may
also appear black, but have many different kinds of spores in it and
not likely to be Stachy.   On the other hand, there are some molds that
can be more toxic than Stachy, such as Fusarium, which can be pinkish
to purple.  Both of the molds will only grow in extreme dampness.  Is
there any water damage in your apartment?

You would not immediately feel better after leaving a toxic nor
allergenic environment if you have been in it for a while.  I would
suggest you get environmental testing done if you plan to stay there.
In the meantime I would probably try to stay elsewhere for a while
longer and see if it helps.  If it turns out to be significant, then
you can have blood tests done to show both exposure (igG antibodies) or
allergies (IgE antibodies).  The IgG antibodies cannot tell you where
or when you were exposed;  however, just that you have been exposed.
It has to be at a fairly high level to be significant, though, because
everyone is going to show some exposure to mold.

This may not be your problem at all.  Everybody responds differently to
mold exposure but it is a good starting place.

Kathyw
Roy - 04 Nov 2006 05:13 GMT
> > The color of the mold that I've found is black, and it looks
> > quite a bit like what I've seen on Internet photos. I wonder
> > if my body has been poisoned by it.

> There are a lot of molds that are black and not toxic.  I didn't mean
> to scare you, just give you a possibility.   Stachybotrys is slimy and
> black.  I would not disturb it if it is:  as long as it isn't
> disturbed, it won't release spores.  Where is it located?

It was all over the shower curtain, that I stupidly disregarded for 3.5 years.

I just bought a new shower curtain.

Also, I just bought a new air purifier -- a Kenmore Progressive 335
from Sears, which uses an HEPA air cleaner. It claims it can capture
particles as small as 0.3 microns.

I'm going to try to completely clean this very small apartment and I'll
wear a mask when doing so. But I wanna move. I'm really freaked
out.

--
RB
MZB - 04 Nov 2006 05:54 GMT
Just curious-- how much do these things cost??

Mel
>> > The color of the mold that I've found is black, and it looks
>> > quite a bit like what I've seen on Internet photos. I wonder
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> --
> RB
Roy - 04 Nov 2006 06:05 GMT
> Just curious-- how much do these things cost??

$270.00 ... but it will do a 500 ft. room and it's very quiet.

However, let's see if it helps me any. That's what counts.

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RB
Susan - 04 Nov 2006 16:45 GMT
> It was all over the shower curtain, that I stupidly disregarded for 3.5 years.
>
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> wear a mask when doing so. But I wanna move. I'm really freaked
> out.

Roy, I don't want to be insulting, but if you're the kind of person who
ignores mold for 3.5 years, moving isn't going to help.  You just need
to know where allergens live, and clean those things/places.

I spray the walls and the inside of my shower curtain with a
water/vinegar or water/bleach mix every single day after I shower.

Monthly, I wash the curtains in hot water with a little bleach.

Susan
MZB - 04 Nov 2006 01:51 GMT
Murray:

Can you be more specific. What kind should I buy.

Do I have to get one for each room of the house???

Mel
> On 11/2/06 9:50 PM, in article DLA2h.441$3K7.329@newsfe13.phx, "Roy"
> <roy@cox.not> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> Allergy
> Stores - but avoid the Ozone generators.
Susan - 04 Nov 2006 02:33 GMT
> Murray:
>
> Can you be more specific. What kind should I buy.
>
> Do I have to get one for each room of the house???

Unless you have a forced air system and can get a whole house filter,
you need one for each room.  I'd start just with the room you sleep in
and any other room you spend the most time in.

It won't do much good, though, if you don't keep the room scrupulously
clean and dusted.

Read the comparison charts at allergybuyersclub.com then search for
prices using a search engine.

Susan
MZB - 04 Nov 2006 03:28 GMT
I have gas forced air system.

I'm not sure what to look for

Mel
> x-no-archive: yes
>
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>
> Susan
Susan - 04 Nov 2006 16:43 GMT
> I have gas forced air system.
>
> I'm not sure what to look for

You're so lucky!!  You can do whole house air purification, and use 3M
filtrete in your ducts (cheap).  If you haven't had the ducts cleaned in
the last 6 months, you may find all your problems solved by doing that
one, inexpensive thing, then adding Filtrete.

Susan
Murray Grossan - 04 Nov 2006 06:12 GMT
On 11/3/06 4:51 PM, in article WFR2h.1190$AR2.642@newsfe04.lga, "MZB"
<moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote:

> Murray:
>
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>> Allergy
>> Stores - but avoid the Ozone generators.

At www.allergybuyersclub.com they show several air purifiers and they have
reader's ratings on them.

I think just the bedroom is necessary to begin with because that is where
you spend the most time.
I don't know which air purifier is better than others except maybe I would
go for the quieter one.

I think they also grade the purifiers by room size.
kathywb2001@yahoo.com - 04 Nov 2006 07:18 GMT
> I think just the bedroom is necessary to begin with because that is where
> you spend the most time.
> I don't know which air purifier is better than others except maybe I would
> go for the quieter one.
>
> I think they also grade the purifiers by room size.

I would also put one in the bathroom since that is where the mold is.
I have air purifiers in the 3 rooms that I am in the most.  I don't
know that one is better than the other, but it should be one with a
HEPA filter.   I agree that you shouldn't use an ozone generator.

Kathyw
Susan - 04 Nov 2006 16:46 GMT
>>I think just the bedroom is necessary to begin with because that is where
>>you spend the most time.
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>
> Kathyw

I would try the airfree sanitizer, first.  I haven't found the HEPA
filter to be useful for bathroom mold.

Susan
kathywb2001@yahoo.com - 04 Nov 2006 20:29 GMT
> I would try the airfree sanitizer, first.  I haven't found the HEPA
> filter to be useful for bathroom mold.
>
> Susan

What is the airfree sanitizer?  Is that a brand name?  How does it work?
Susan - 04 Nov 2006 22:00 GMT
> What is the airfree sanitizer?  Is that a brand name?  How does it work?

If you look at the allergybuyersclub website or another such site,
you'll see it.  It's a heating element that, over the course of weeks,
kills most of the mold in a small space with no fan or filters to
service or replace, just plug it in.

Susan
 
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