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travmmann - 02 Jul 2006 05:47 GMT

I think people have MISUNDERSTOOD Me...in no way is this to replace or even
compete/be mentioned in the same breath as my Hydra Pulse. I take BOTH with
me wherever I go but when there is just NO POWER I am forced to use my
variation that is made from a suce bottle!It is better than nothing and MUCH
better than the one that comes with Flo-a package that surgeons give you
after surgery to rinse your sinuses with-I found it absolutely HOPELESS!!

Kindest personal regards,
Ray The Travellin' Man.....Ray Armstrong your eyes and ears on the Tweed!!
Let's Keep Music Liiiiiiiiiiiive!!!!!!!

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Steven L. - 02 Jul 2006 05:58 GMT

> I think people have MISUNDERSTOOD Me...in no way is this to replace or even
> compete/be mentioned in the same breath as my Hydra Pulse. I take BOTH with
> me wherever I go but when there is just NO POWER I am forced to use my
> variation that is made from a suce bottle!It is better than nothing and MUCH
> better than the one that comes with Flo-a package that surgeons give you
> after surgery to rinse your sinuses with-I found it absolutely HOPELESS!!

Try a Neti Pot. Some folks find that works better for them than a
squeeze bottle.

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judy.n - 02 Jul 2006 23:20 GMT

I personally use the neti pot and there is a plastic version, either a
neti pot or "SinuCleanse" that is well suited for travel--unbreakable
and easy to pack and manage.
I previously used a water pik with an adaptor, and switched, per advice
of my ENT several years ago--it's worked well for me.
Judy

> > I think people have MISUNDERSTOOD Me...in no way is this to replace or even
> > compete/be mentioned in the same breath as my Hydra Pulse. I take BOTH with
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Murray Grossan - 03 Jul 2006 16:24 GMT

On 7/2/06 3:20 PM, in article
1151878844.156582.104020@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "judy.n"

> I personally use the neti pot and there is a plastic version, either a
> neti pot or "SinuCleanse" that is well suited for travel--unbreakable
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One major problem with the pot while traveling is that the position of the
head places the saline directly over the eustachian tube opening where it
can enter the tube or plug it. With the squeeze bottle or lavage, you avoid
plugging the ears. Also you don't drip on your clothing.

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judy.n - 03 Jul 2006 21:31 GMT

In defense of the neti pot: I have never dripped on my clothing. The
solution just runs into the sink from my other nostril. I have used it
multiple places and it's never been an issue--so it's not just my sink.
My college student daughter uses it in the shower--because she doesn't
want to use it "In public" at the common sink. The NeilMed rinse bottle
specifically states not to use if you have clogged ears. The neti pot
has once in a very rare while caused eustachian issues, and I felt it
immediately, and just adjusted my head position. Seriously, the water
pik was much messier.
I think the SinuCleanse site has some animation on how to use it: I
can't imagine how someone would spill it on their clothing.
Judy

> On 7/2/06 3:20 PM, in article
> 1151878844.156582.104020@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "judy.n"
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> can enter the tube or plug it. With the squeeze bottle or lavage, you avoid
> plugging the ears. Also you don't drip on your clothing.

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travmmann - 04 Jul 2006 11:08 GMT

But the Neti Pot does not give any PRESSURE which means the saline gets to
more places than just a POUR!!

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Kindest personal regards,
Ray The Travellin' Man.....Ray Armstrong your eyes and ears on the Tweed!!
Let's Keep Music Liiiiiiiiiiiive!!!!!!!

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judy.n - 04 Jul 2006 14:23 GMT

Could you explain that post: the neti pot is high flow, low pressure,
and the angle allows irrigation directly into the ostea and ethmoid
area as opposed to the head held straight. Dr. Grossan feels it also
invades the eustachian tubes, yet I've never seen articles that studied
or proved that. I believe he just reasons by the anatomy, which makes
sense. You don't develop much pressure behind the flow if your nose
isn't blocked. Do you feel the pressure of a squeeze bottle or water
pik/hydropulse device is necessary and/or useful? My ENT specifically
likes the neti for the lack of pressure. I know this is contraversial,
and Dr. Grossan is very committed to pulsatile, pressure--at 5 PSI
irrigation. The studies I've looked at never compare a neti type device
to a water pik type device, they just compare the types of solution. My
understanding of the mechanism of irrigation is that it is two fold:
both directly removes thick mucous and crusts, and stimulates cilia.
I've never seen a definitive study as to the very best method or
solution to get the job done.
Judy

> But the Neti Pot does not give any PRESSURE which means the saline gets to
> more places than just a POUR!!
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> avoid
> > plugging the ears. Also you don't drip on your clothing.

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Murray Grossan - 04 Jul 2006 20:04 GMT

On 7/4/06 6:23 AM, in article
1152019400.078727.24140@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "judy.n"

> Could you explain that post: the neti pot is high flow, low pressure,
> and the angle allows irrigation directly into the ostea and ethmoid
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> solution to get the job done.
> Judy

Maybe patients in southern california are different. We see the patients who
get fluid in the ear after pot use.
Depends too on anatomy and use. Some persons happen to have Eustachian tubes
that are wide open, so it acts like a drain. Or they swallow when irrigating
which open the tube.
Hey, if it works. Don't break it.
Remember, I only see the one's where the Rx doesn't work. Lots of people do
fine on antihistamines. I see the ones who don't. Similarly, not everyone
needs pulsatile irrigation. I see the one's who do.

Murray Grossan, M.D.
Www.eht-consult.com

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