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Digestion And Congestion

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jan - 01 Jun 2006 16:26 GMT
Doctors claim digestion begins in the mouth. (chewing) I have found
that eating promotes
tons of post nasal drip and head congestion.  Now that I have
approached the 50 year old
mark I find eating high fatty foods makes congestion far worse than
ever! Is my body unable
to process/digest fat?
                                             Thanks.

                                                 J.
Susan - 01 Jun 2006 16:43 GMT
> Doctors claim digestion begins in the mouth. (chewing) I have found
> that eating promotes
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> ever! Is my body unable
> to process/digest fat?

When you eat a food, there's more to it than just the fat, which is the
least likely food constituent to cause a reaction.

Susan
jan - 01 Jun 2006 17:07 GMT
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> Susan

I know what your saying.  However, it is high fat foods that make it a
lot worse.This does
not seem like a food allergy. Thanks for your reply.  I appreciate it.
         
                                                  J.
Susan - 01 Jun 2006 17:14 GMT
> I know what your saying.  However, it is high fat foods that make it a
> lot worse.This does
> not seem like a food allergy. Thanks for your reply.  I appreciate it.

What else besides fat is in the foods?

Susan
Shirley ann - 02 Jun 2006 10:41 GMT
Dairy products make me more congested, even fat free milk.

shirleyann
Susan - 02 Jun 2006 15:12 GMT
> Dairy products make me more congested, even fat free milk.
>
> shirleyann

Lots of folks have this reaction to dairy.  I used to get very congested
any time I ate fish, fatty or lean; it's very high in histamines.

Susan
Steven L. - 02 Jun 2006 02:48 GMT
> Doctors claim digestion begins in the mouth. (chewing) I have found
> that eating promotes
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> ever! Is my body unable
> to process/digest fat?

I doubt it.
Which foods, in particular, are giving you trouble?  Sometimes it's the
temperature of the food, or the spices acting as irritants, that can
cause trouble.

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Don Brady - 02 Jun 2006 22:17 GMT
>Doctors claim digestion begins in the mouth. (chewing) I have found
>that eating promotes
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Lots of post nasal drip probably means that your sinuses were already full of
fluid before you ate.  That may be the real problem, not the food.   Eating a
high calorie meal will just cause them to attempt to empty as your metabolism
speeds up.
Susan - 02 Jun 2006 22:18 GMT
>   Eating a
> high calorie meal will just cause them to attempt to empty as your metabolism
> speeds up.

Really?!  Do you have citations for this?  I was unaware of this connection.

I've had the experience of getting congested upon eating fish (loaded
with histamine) but not of getting PND from it.

I'd love to see some cites for PND being caused by high caloric meals.

Susan
Don Brady - 04 Jun 2006 06:53 GMT
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>I'd love to see some cites for PND being caused by high caloric meals.

Not caused, triggered .

Your metabilism slows down if you are low on calories and speeds up on excess
calories.

That's why losing weight is hard.
Don Brady - 04 Jun 2006 06:59 GMT
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>I'd love to see some cites for PND being caused by high caloric meals.

Not caused, triggered .

Your metabolism slows down if you are low on calories and speeds up on excess
calories.

That's why losing weight is hard when you just cut back on calories.

The cause of psot-nasal drainage is sinuses that are full of fluid.
Susan - 05 Jun 2006 14:23 GMT
> Not caused, triggered .

I'd love to see cites for that, too!

> Your metabolism slows down if you are low on calories and speeds up on excess
> calories.

Not with the first small meal.

> That's why losing weight is hard when you just cut back on calories.

Well, it's impossible if you don't, OTOH.  Actually, metabolism will
slow pretty rapidly with extreme low calorie eating, due to reduction of
active T3 hormone and increase in inactive reverse T3. Using cyclical
refeeding can overcome the slowdown, though.

> The cause of psot-nasal drainage is sinuses that are full of fluid.

Okay, but I'm trying to figure out how/why fluid buildup would increase
with metabolic slowdown?  One effect of very low calories or very low
carbs is reduced inflammation, so the connection is kind of mysterious
to me.

Susan
Don Brady - 06 Jun 2006 00:21 GMT
>Okay, but I'm trying to figure out how/why fluid buildup would increase
>with metabolic slowdown?

Cilia and other clearing mechanisms speed up when your metabolism does.  That's
why  stimulants help clear your sinuses.  Many people here are taking them for
exactly that purpose.

This is primarily going to be a factor in people who had borderline low
metabolism to begin with.
Susan - 06 Jun 2006 00:48 GMT
> Cilia and other clearing mechanisms speed up when your metabolism does.

I never considered that!  Do you have some citations where it's been
demonstrated?  I have to say, I'm just as bad off now with my improved
metabolism than I was before.  I find my congestion is allergy related
and triggered.

 > That's
> why  stimulants help clear your sinuses.  Many people here are taking them for
> exactly that purpose.

You're saying that stimulants work because of their effect on metabolism
specifically?

> This is primarily going to be a factor in people who had borderline low
> metabolism to begin with.

So what causes congestion in everyone else?

Susan
Susan - 06 Jun 2006 01:42 GMT
>>Okay, but I'm trying to figure out how/why fluid buildup would increase
>>with metabolic slowdown?
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> This is primarily going to be a factor in people who had borderline low
> metabolism to begin with.

I haven't been able to turn up any citations indicating diet induced
metabolism changes per meal (or at all) affecting nasal cilia function,
except on ayurvedic web sites.

Since metabolism doesn't speed up each time you eat a large meal, nor
slow down with each small meal, this theory just isn't plausible to me.

Susan
Don Brady - 06 Jun 2006 02:27 GMT
>Since metabolism doesn't speed up each time you eat a large meal

It does for people who have low metabolism to begin with.  
Susan - 06 Jun 2006 03:13 GMT
>>Since metabolism doesn't speed up each time you eat a large meal
>
> It does for people who have low metabolism to begin with.  

You got a citation for that?  I've never heard of such a single meal
phenomenon but I'm always open for good evidence.

So far, you've produced none to back up a single assertion you've made.
Where does your information come from?

Susan
Don Brady - 06 Jun 2006 05:59 GMT
>>>Since metabolism doesn't speed up each time you eat a large meal
>>
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>So far, you've produced none to back up a single assertion you've made.
>Where does your information come from?

You are always demanding citations for what is common medical knowledge.  

See e.g.  http://menshealth.about.com/cs/diet/a/metabolism_faq.htm

"Except low-fat diets which tend to result in poor hormone production which
leads to a slower metabolism.".....

>Susan
Susan - 06 Jun 2006 15:32 GMT
> You are always demanding citations for what is common medical knowledge.

Only in response to your making authoritative medical assertions with no
evidence that there's any science to back them up.  Then, when pressed,
you provide an irrelevent and unscientific reference like the one below.

> See e.g.  http://menshealth.about.com/cs/diet/a/metabolism_faq.htm
>
> "Except low-fat diets which tend to result in poor hormone production which
> leads to a slower metabolism.".....

Where *in the peer reviewed medical literature* does it say that sinus
congestion or slow metabolism is caused by eating a single low calorie
meal?

Susan
 
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