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HEPA vs electrostatic air cleaners?

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me@privacy.net - 17 May 2006 22:13 GMT
Any opinions on if a HEPA based air cleaner is safer
and better than an electrostatic air cleaner such as
the Friedrich C90 units?

How many here even use a bedroom air cleaner of any
kind?

Is it a waste of money or good investment?
Don Brady - 17 May 2006 22:26 GMT
>Any opinions on if a HEPA based air cleaner is safer
>and better than an electrostatic air cleaner such as
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>
>Is it a waste of money or good investment?

I gave up on them all in favor of fesh air but some here do like them........
Shirley ann - 18 May 2006 09:44 GMT
I gave up on them too.

I kept my windows open just a crack this past winter during the night. I
had only 1 sinus infection this winter so I feel that has helped.

I only have cotton area rugs in the bedrooms.

shirleyann
JFGABEL - 18 May 2006 14:18 GMT
I've been using the Austin in my bedroom for the last 7 years.  It
works great.
Susan - 17 May 2006 22:39 GMT
> Any opinions on if a HEPA based air cleaner is safer
> and better than an electrostatic air cleaner such as
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Is it a waste of money or good investment?

Definitely not a waste of money, in my case, but not an alternative to
really good housekeeping and bedding barriers, either.

If I had it to do over again, I'd buy an Austin HealthMate; works great,
 not too loud, and the filter replacement costs can't be beat.

I have a BlueAir 601 in my bedroom, and it's $80 every 6 mos. for filters.

Susan
me@privacy.net - 17 May 2006 22:50 GMT
>If I had it to do over again, I'd buy an Austin HealthMate; works great,
>  not too loud, and the filter replacement costs can't be beat.

Well I'm trying to decide between an electrostatic unit
like the Friedrich or a HEPA based one

A but concerned abt the electrostatic unit giving off
fumes. Plus the Friedrich are not very modern.... no
remote controls etc

What to buy? What TYPE that is?
Susan - 17 May 2006 23:01 GMT
> A but concerned abt the electrostatic unit giving off
> fumes. Plus the Friedrich are not very modern.... no
> remote controls etc
>
> What to buy? What TYPE that is?

I prefer HEPA; mine has an internal charge that keeps particles clinging
to the filter, too.  It's been tested as emitting no ozone and I'm happy
with it.

Why not go to allergybuyersclub.com and read their comparison chart?
It's very useful, and you can buy anywhere.

Susan
me@privacy.net - 18 May 2006 15:41 GMT
>Why not go to allergybuyersclub.com and read their comparison chart?
>It's very useful, and you can buy anywhere.

Will do but want some real world opinions as well
august - 19 May 2006 02:42 GMT
>>Why not go to allergybuyersclub.com and read their comparison chart?
>>It's very useful, and you can buy anywhere.
>
> Will do but want some real world opinions as well

I used to use a HEPA filter, but allergy shots, bedding barriers, new
pillows and having someone else dust my bedroom regularly helped more than
running the HEPA filter. I also switched to the more expensive anti-allergy
furnace filters. I still use a humidfier during the winter when the gas heat
is running.  AW
me@privacy.net - 19 May 2006 14:34 GMT
>I used to use a HEPA filter, but allergy shots, bedding barriers, new
>pillows and having someone else dust my bedroom regularly helped more than
>running the HEPA filter. I

Interesting!

So you find that room "maintenance" helps a LOT more
than HEPA filter unit?

You see.... I really don't want to buy any air filter
unit at al as I'm big on minimalist living..... not
having a bunch of stuff

But if something has merit in making my life better I
will go ahead and get it. But you feel cleanliness is a
bigger help than a machine right?
Susan - 19 May 2006 15:17 GMT
>>I used to use a HEPA filter, but allergy shots, bedding barriers, new
>>pillows and having someone else dust my bedroom regularly helped more than
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> will go ahead and get it. But you feel cleanliness is a
> bigger help than a machine right?

Nothing is as effective as room maintenance at reducing the dust allergy
load.  This means dusting everything; the backs of furniture, pictures,
mirrors, vacuuming any window coverings, the tops of moldings, etc.

Susan
me@privacy.net - 19 May 2006 15:41 GMT
>Nothing is as effective as room maintenance at reducing the dust allergy
>load.  This means dusting everything; the backs of furniture, pictures,
>mirrors, vacuuming any window coverings, the tops of moldings, etc.

Point taken

Then what "tools" for dusting a room would you
recommend?

What things should I buy to keep my bedroom as dust
free as possible?

Assuming I've removed all dust trapping furnishings
first that is
Susan - 19 May 2006 16:33 GMT
> Then what "tools" for dusting a room would you
> recommend?

A hepa filtered vacuum cleaner and a dust brush attachment.  A long
handled duster for ceilings and walls and Swiffer dusters. Vacuuming is
the best, since it doesn't launch stuff back into the air.  Wet mop wood
floors.  Walls collect dust, most folks forget.

A lot of folks forget to dust the insides of clothes closets and to
vacuum off the dust that accumulates on the shoulders of hanging clotehs
and on the wall behind them.  BIG mistake.

> What things should I buy to keep my bedroom as dust
> free as possible?

> Assuming I've removed all dust trapping furnishings
> first that is

Assuming you've done all that, you need allergy barriers for your bed,
pillows and comforter, unless the comforter can be washed in hot water
and dried in a dryer, then you can skip the allergy encasement for it.

If you do all the frequent  HEPA vacuuming and dusting, encasements and
an air cleaner (I'd buy an Austin) are the things to buy.

I like to sleep with windows open, which I can do again, thanks to my
super potent allergy shots.  I use allergy barrier window screens to
catch pollen, though, and it helps some, as long as I use foam rubber at
the bottom to create a seal.

Susan
me@privacy.net - 19 May 2006 16:58 GMT
>an air cleaner (I'd buy an Austin)

Why an Austin may I ask?

What so nice abt those units?
Susan - 19 May 2006 16:59 GMT
>>an air cleaner (I'd buy an Austin)
>
> Why an Austin may I ask?
>
> What so nice abt those units?

Excellent quality, performance and much cheaper filter replacement
costs.  I wish I'd bought one instead of my BlueAir.

Susan
me@privacy.net - 19 May 2006 18:40 GMT
>Excellent quality, performance and much cheaper filter replacement
>costs.  I wish I'd bought one instead of my BlueAir.

I see

Question...do they make a unit small and compact for
using in an RV?
Susan - 19 May 2006 19:32 GMT
>>Excellent quality, performance and much cheaper filter replacement
>>costs.  I wish I'd bought one instead of my BlueAir.
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> Question...do they make a unit small and compact for
> using in an RV?

The HealthMate Jr.

Now a question for you: do you ever look anything up on your own?

Susan
me@privacy.net - 19 May 2006 20:29 GMT
>Now a question for you: do you ever look anything up on your own?

yes lots of things on my own

what would you like to know?
august - 21 May 2006 21:00 GMT
>>I used to use a HEPA filter, but allergy shots, bedding barriers, new
>>pillows and having someone else dust my bedroom regularly helped more than
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> will go ahead and get it. But you feel cleanliness is a
> bigger help than a machine right?

yes, the regular cleaning maintainence helps a lot. Also, for me, even if I
do small amounts of house cleaning where I would encounter allergens, I
_always_ wear a dust mask and vinyl gloves (allergic to latex). I wear this
combo when dumping the vaccum if I can't get someone else to do it. I wipe
surfaces in my bedroom with a damp cloth frequently to reduce house dust and
other allergens. One slip up not wearing the protection when doing cleaning
means at least 24 hours of congestion for me.

Also, I'm now 2 years into regular allergy injections that includes serum
for 2 types dust mites and several types of mold. Just got house dust added
to my serum this week. I believe the allergy shots have also been a very big
help in reducing my overall sensitivity and allergy and sinus problems.   AW
Lateralus - 23 May 2006 00:31 GMT
> x-no-archive: yes
>
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>
> Susan

Whats wrong with the ozone emitting one's? I have read many articles
that say they are very good. Try the one by ecoquest it is awesome,
also read up on the one by ecoquest.
Susan - 23 May 2006 01:30 GMT
> Whats wrong with the ozone emitting one's? I have read many articles
> that say they are very good. Try the one by ecoquest it is awesome,
> also read up on the one by ecoquest.

The ozone emitting ones trigger breathing problems and asthma in many
folks.

And most of them do a lousy job, independent tests have found.

Susan
hhggffdd - 23 May 2006 02:38 GMT
> x-no-archive: yes
>
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>
> Susan

Don't confuse the fact that electrostatic air filters sometimes
emit ozone with ozone generating air purifiers.  Big difference.

One of these...

http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html

...is not one of these...

http://yourhome.honeywell.com/Consumer/Cultures/en-US/Products/Air+Cleaners/Elec
tronic/Default.htm

Susan - 23 May 2006 02:44 GMT
> Don't confuse the fact that electrostatic air filters sometimes
> emit ozone with ozone generating air purifiers.  Big difference.

Yes, I know.  My BlueAir is electrostatic, but doesn't emit detectable
ozone.

Susan

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