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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / May 2006New Waterpik Model
http://www.waterpik.com/products/SpecDisplay.do?prdNbr=100265 Called WP-100. Looks like a very new design, from the WP60-70s that have been it for years now. Rotary pressure control on base, with 10 settings, Looks better than older models, and takes up less counter space. I don't know if there are other advantages. A couple of obvious disadvantages--1) more expensive! 2) Smaller tank-600 ml, compared to the 1000 ml tank of the WP60-70 line. (Of course, for those who don't use more than that amount per irrigation, not a disadvantage. And Interplak and Hydropulse are still smaller in capacity-500 ml. Yet, for someone like me, who needs at least 2 or 3 tankfuls of the large 1000 ml tank to clean out my tons of thick snot, sometimes even 4 or 5, a smaller tank means more refills, not good. I hope they come out with a larger tank version of this new model. (They could do so without increasing counter size, by making the tank taller.) In any case, anyone here tried this new waterpik model yet for nasal irrigation? > http://www.waterpik.com/products/SpecDisplay.do?prdNbr=100265 > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > tank to clean out my tons of thick snot, sometimes even 4 or 5, a smaller > tank means more refills, not good. Also, 600 ml is an odd size for a tank. Grossan's Breathe-Ease and SinusRinse packets are sized for 500 ml or 1000 ml. (Or if you use salt, 500 ml tank takes 1/2 teaspoon salt. 600 ml would take what, 3/5 teaspoon salt? How can you measure that?) > I hope they come out with a larger tank > version of this new model. (They could do so without increasing counter > size, by making the tank taller.) Just from the photo, it looks like this model is going to be easier to keep clean than the HydroPulse. It has smooth sides without all the holes and indentations that the HydroPulse has.  SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. On 4/28/06 5:55 PM, in article tQy4g.13894$i41.2798@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net, "Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote: > 500 ml tank takes 1/2 teaspoon salt This would make a hypotonic solution. One teaspoonful of salt to 500 cc in the Hydro Pulse makes it isotonic. > On 4/28/06 5:55 PM, in article > tQy4g.13894$i41.2798@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net, "Steven L." [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > This would make a hypotonic solution. > One teaspoonful of salt to 500 cc in the Hydro Pulse makes it isotonic. You're right, that was a misstatement on my part. I should have said one teaspoon for 500 ml and 1.2 teaspoons for the 600 ml tank. Still, measuring exactly 1.2 teaspoons will be difficult. SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. > You're right, that was a misstatement on my part. I should have said > one teaspoon for 500 ml and 1.2 teaspoons for the 600 ml tank. Still, > measuring exactly 1.2 teaspoons will be difficult. I really doubt you have to measure so exactly. I've noticed in any case that all teaspoons are not exactly the same size. Also, how full do you fill the spoon? Measuring something by teaspoons is not an exact measurement. I think if you measured by one "heaping" teaspoon, you wouldn't be far off. And of course, you could taste the solution before using, to see if it is about right. > Just from the photo, it looks like this model is going to be easier to > keep clean than the HydroPulse. It has smooth sides without all the > holes and indentations that the HydroPulse has. Do the Hydropulse tips fit into this model? I like the Hydropulse, but these waterpiks are like half the price! I'm happily using my hydropulse but if it ever peters out, I wouldn't mind trying out a cheaper model, especially if it's just as effective. On 4/28/06 8:58 PM, in article 1146283106.849835.6760@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "tdonline" <trinhd90@gmail.com> wrote: >> Just from the photo, it looks like this model is going to be easier to >> keep clean than the HydroPulse. It has smooth sides without all the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > hydropulse but if it ever peters out, I wouldn't mind trying out a > cheaper model, especially if it's just as effective. Since the Hydro Pulse is listed as a Nasal/Sinus Irrigator device at FDA, many insurances cover the cost. > On 4/28/06 8:58 PM, in article > Since the Hydro Pulse is listed as a Nasal/Sinus Irrigator device at FDA, > many insurances cover the cost. OK, let's take a poll here, probably the largest congregation of people who use your device. How many people here who use the HP, have had their medical insurance pay for it 100%? If your insurance reimbursed you a little for it, did you still end up paying more than the price of a Waterpik or a (cheaper) Interplak oral irrigator? (BTW, both the Waterpik and the Interplak have two year warranties, as opposed to the one year warranty of HP.) (And I know WP is very good about honoring their warranty. They don't even ask you to send the old one back to them.) >> Just from the photo, it looks like this model is going to be easier to >> keep clean than the HydroPulse. It has smooth sides without all the >> holes and indentations that the HydroPulse has. > > Do the Hydropulse tips fit into this model? I don't think so. I think Grossan sells tips that work with the WaterPiks. At least they used to; who knows if the new model Waterpik changed the shape of the tips again. SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. > Do the Hydropulse tips fit into this model? I like the Hydropulse, but > these waterpiks are like half the price! I'm happily using my > hydropulse but if it ever peters out, I wouldn't mind trying out a > cheaper model, especially if it's just as effective. Unless there has been a recent change in the Grossan tip design, to make them only fit the Hydro-Pulse, the answer is yes. These tips were made to fit the Waterpik, as they were available long before there was a "Hydro-pulse". They also fit the Interplak irrigator. (The latter costs still much less than Waterpik, and has some aspects more similar to Hydropulse-quieter motor, pressure control on device rather than handle (now also on newest Waterpik), 500 ml tank, etc.) Waterpik now has their own sinus irrigator attachment. I am now using one, since my last Grossan tip broke. They cost much less (I think mine was $12.95 or so, at my local drug store), and come with attachments so the one tip will fit on both the current (WP 60 and 70, and I think also the new WP100) Waterpik models, and the older WP20-30 models. (With the Grossan tip, you have to buy a completely different tip at full price, if you want one to use on the older Waterpik handles. (And I believe the current "portable" waterpik handle, uses the older tip size.) The Waterpik sinus attachment tip is available on the Waterpik web site, and at some local pharmacies as well. MS - Have you used the Hydropulse machine or just his tips that fit the Waterpiks? I've been considering getting an irrigator like the HP or the Waterpik and haven't decided which one to try. From your view, is one head and shoulders above the other? >> Do the Hydropulse tips fit into this model? I like the Hydropulse, but >> these waterpiks are like half the price! I'm happily using my [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > The Waterpik sinus attachment tip is available on the Waterpik web site, and > at some local pharmacies as well. Here's an idea...if the hydropulse's tips work with the waterpik, do the waterpik tips work in the hydropulse? > Here's an idea...if the hydropulse's tips work with the waterpik, do > the waterpik tips work in the hydropulse? Logically, your statement is logically true. Because in mathematical logic, a statement of the form IF <false premise> THEN <false conclusion> is logically true. SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. I'm not sure what your point is, Steven, but as I said, it sounds like it should be the case, but it might not be so, one would have to try it. I tried something similar once, and it didn't work. It was actually because the Grossan tip fit on both the Waterpik and Interplak irrigator, I assumed that all tips would be interchangeable between those two machines. I tried a tongue cleaning attachment from the WP on the IP, and it didn't fit at all. So, I don't know if a WP sinus irrigation tip would fit on the HP, and I doubt either manufacturer could or would tell you whether it does or not. The only way to find out is to try it. > > Here's an idea...if the hydropulse's tips work with the waterpik, do > > the waterpik tips work in the hydropulse? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > is logically true. > Here's an idea...if the hydropulse's tips work with the waterpik, do > the waterpik tips work in the hydropulse? That I don't know. As said, the Grossan tips worked with Waterpiks for many years, long before there was a Hydropulse (which is just a couple years old). I imagine they still do, unless there has been a recent change in the design. That could lead one to believe that the Waterpik sinus cleaning tips would work on a Hydropulse. That's quite possibly so, but not necessarily. There is only one way to find out--try it! Pick up the WP sinus tip at a local drug store, take it home and try it on your HP. If it doesn't fit, return it to the store. > MS - Have you used the Hydropulse machine or just his tips that fit the > Waterpiks? I've been considering getting an irrigator like the HP or > the Waterpik and haven't decided which one to try. From your view, is > one head and shoulders above the other? I haven't tried the Hydropulse, so cannot comment on it, other than the fact that it costs much more than the other models, and has half the warranty length, and I don't see any advantage in it over the other irrigators. I have used both Waterpik and the Interplak irrigator. (Not the newest Waterpik mentioned in this thread, however. I'd like to hear from people who have used that. So my comments are about the WP60-70 models.) In many respects I find the IP (Interplak) better than the WP. It is quieter, has a better pressure control (rotary on the machine's body, rather than the slider on the handle) (though again, this new model WP also has the rotary control on body), and costs much less. However, as mentioned, I continue to use the WP because---I need a lot of solution to clear me out. The WP 60-70 models have a larger tank--1000 ml. The IP and HP have a tank ½ the size-500 ml, and the new WP100 has a 600 ml tank. That would mean more refills for me, so I'm sticking with WP60-70 with its larger tank. However, most people who irrigate probably find a 500 ml tank sufficient. So, you might be quite happy with that size. If so, I'd suggest trying the Interplak, the least expensive of all the irrigator models, you can find it in most drug stores, works well, 2 year warranty. >> MS - Have you used the Hydropulse machine or just his tips that fit the >> Waterpiks? I've been considering getting an irrigator like the HP or [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Interplak, the least expensive of all the irrigator models, you can find it > in most drug stores, works well, 2 year warranty. MS, Thank you for the detailed response. I was just looking at the Interplak website at the different models they have. It doesn't look like they have their own tips. After looking at the posts above about tip interchangeability, it seems there's a good chance that the WP tips would work on the Interplak irrigators. Wow, you use a lot of solution. Right now, I'm just using an Ayr saline rinse kit. Off the top of my head, I'd say it holds maybe 250ml. The kit comes with pre-measured packets to mix with water. When you use a larger irrigator like the WP, Interplak, or HP, how are you making your solution? Do you use tap or bottled water? Thanks again. > MS, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Thanks again. No, I haven't heard of Interplak sinus tips. Of course they have different dental tips. Waterpik has only come out with its own sinus tip recently, in the last year or two. As I wrote, the Grossan tip, unless there has been a recent change in its design, will fit on both the Waterpik and Interplak irrigators, as well as the Hydropulse. Of course the Waterpik sinus tip fits on the Waterpik. I do not know if it fits on the Interplak. Quite possibly it does, but not necessarily so. (As I wrote, I tried a tongue cleaning tip that came with the Waterpik on the Interplak, and it didn't fit. So you cannot assume that the Waterpik sinus tip will definitely work on the Interplak. You'd have to try it.) There are actually a couple different Interplak irrigator models. I have the more common one, with a cylindrical tank, holds 500 ml. But I have also seen one with a rectangular tank, holds only 400 ml. They also have a "deluxe" model with a dual tank, but I don't see any point in that. (If they had a model with a larger tank, that might interest me!) Regarding the large amount of irrigation solution I use--I wouldn;t recommend it to anyone. Quite unpleasant, and time-consuming. But with my bad sinuses and nose, so full of thick phlegm, that is the only way I can clean out thoroughly. After irrigating with so much solution, everything is still not cleaned out. I have to take time shaking my head in all different directions over the bathtub, and a lot more thick gunk comes out from the post-irrigation shaking. Also, much gunk is washed into my throat, and I spend a lot of time after irrigating, coughing up the thick mucous. Not pleasant at all! But necessary for me. I hope others don't need so much irrigation. I use warm water from the tap, with salt-baking soda mixed in right before using it, mixed right in the Waterpik tank. By the way, the Waterpik sinus tips (including attachments to fit on either the recent or older Waterpik handles), sell for $11.22 at Amazon.com. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000077VXR/002-7706855-8477645?v=glance&n=3760901 If you buy other items at the same time, for a total purchase equaling $25 or more, you can get free shipping with this. They also carry the Grossan tips, for $17.99: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EB7LYS/ref=pd_lpo_k2a_1_txt/002-7706855-847 7645?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=284507 (actually, the latter is not directly from Amazon.com, only billed through them, so not eligible for free shipping) > >> MS - Have you used the Hydropulse machine or just his tips that fit the > >> Waterpiks? I've been considering getting an irrigator like the HP or [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Thanks again |
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