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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / April 2006Origin of mucous
When I have mucous sliding down my throat, is that from my sinuses or could it be from mucous glands in my throat? I'm asking because I have both nasal inflammation and LPR and I'm curious about whether the gunk in my throat is caused by my throat releasing mucous to defend against irritation or if it's just plain old post-nasal drip? > When I have mucous sliding down my throat, is that from my sinuses or > could it be from mucous glands in my throat? If you have so much that you feel it sliding down, then it's likely to be post-nasal drip from your nasopharynx including your sinuses. Normally your nasopharynx produces between 1 and 2 *quarts* of mucus every day! In a healthy person that stuff is very thin and watery and it just slides down post-nasally without noticing it. But you can imagine what happens with sinusitis when you're producing several *ounces* of thick yellow crap daily. That is probably what you are sensing.  SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. So does nasal washing have anything to do with the mucous that's produced by the nasopharynx? This PND is driving me nuts. I've wondered if it's related to my LPR. I'm getting a double ph test next week and am off Protonix as a part of the prep. It's probably no coincidence that the PND has kicked up. I'm also getting green mucous when I irrigate. My nose is usually dry and I do not get the stuffy/watery nose thing, but I have gotten a slight runny nose the last couple of days. LPR? Spring allergy related? Too many variables... I'm wondering if the Ph test was the same that my ENT had me complete to diagnose GERD? I don't really buy the theory that it contributes to my sinusitus/rhinitus although I have alot of discomfort in my throat and a productive cough. What were your results? Yes, it was the PH test for LPR which is a subset of GERD. I won't know the results until my appointment with GI doctor in May. But from looking at the monitor constantly, I certainly didn't see anything to indicate I have acid reflux disease. That's only speculation I suppose, the computer will sort it out. What were your results? My sore throat was what led me to the ENT initially, but I have never had a coughing problem. As matter of fact I don't cough at all....only occassional sneeze. Unfortunately, the blocked left nostril, yellow-green mucous tinged with blood reappeared this morning. Oh well, at least I had relief for 36 hours or so. I don't want to jinx things but since the last email, my mucous has been clear. It's clear and slippery...I can't remember the last time it looked like that! I don't want don't what I did right, but wow, I think things are coming around. At least for the nose, we'll see about the LPR. This is silly...but after dealing with green/yellow/pasty white snot for months... >> When I have mucous sliding down my throat, is that from my sinuses or >> could it be from mucous glands in my throat? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > *ounces* of thick yellow crap daily. That is probably what you are > sensing. Quarts? Yuck. I had no idea. What's the purpose of mucous...other than for it to get nasty and bother us... The purpose of the mucous is to trap dust and other allergens, microbes, etc and remove them. Then the acid in the stomach normally kills the microbes. When a person over reacts to the allergens or there is an anatomical problem such as small or blocked openings, immune deficiency, etc., then the mucus can back up and stagnant. It's kind of like a "double-edged sword." >>> When I have mucous sliding down my throat, is that from my sinuses or >>> could it be from mucous glands in my throat? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Quarts? Yuck. I had no idea. What's the purpose of mucous...other > than for it to get nasty and bother us... The mucus is secreted to wash dirt and germs out of the nose. Dirt and germs get trapped in the mucus and the cilia sweep the mucus out. Your nose is like an air conditioner filter--it could get real dirty over time if it weren't kept clean. A secondary function of the mucus is to keep the cilia moist--they can't do their job if they're dried out. I have seen electron micrographs that showed a cross section of the mucus layer. Dozens of common cold viruses had gotten trapped in the mucus--maybe the person had been around somebody with a cold. But not one of the viruses penetrated the mucus layer enough to reach the nasal tissue to infect it. So eventually that mucus will be swept out of the nose with all those viruses and the person stays healthy. SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. So if we are irrigating daily, are we washing away a vital defense against viruses? I have to say since starting irrigations 7 months ago, I haven't had a cold. I usually get one or two colds every winter. On the other hand, having whatever I have now makes having a bad cold here and there seem heavenly... On 4/11/06 9:11 PM, in article 1144815090.414381.39280@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "tdonline" <trinhd90@gmail.com> wrote: > So if we are irrigating daily, are we washing away a vital defense > against viruses? I have to say since starting irrigations 7 months > ago, I haven't had a cold. I usually get one or two colds every > winter. On the other hand, having whatever I have now makes having a > bad cold here and there seem heavenly... Probably its because you are washing away the ICAM 1 which is the portal of entrance of the cold virus. > So if we are irrigating daily, are we washing away a vital defense > against viruses? Given how much mucus your body produces daily (between 1 and 2 quarts), any mucus you flush out is rapidly replaced. Besides, the saline fluid you put in your nose can trap viruses too. The best defense against viruses is moist nasal membranes. The fluid traps viruses and the cilia work best when they're kept moist. I suspect that one reason people who do a lot of air travel catch a lot of colds, is that the dry air in aircraft cabins is drying out the nasal membranes. And airsickness medications like Dramamine have a drying effect too. SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. On 4/12/06 9:11 AM, in article vE9%f.6027$i41.2004@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net, "Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote: >> So if we are irrigating daily, are we washing away a vital defense >> against viruses? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > membranes. And airsickness medications like Dramamine have a drying > effect too. Steve is right as usual. Best to carry tea bags on the flight, you can usually get hot water. The tea will stimulate cilia functuon . For persons who alwas get sick when they fly, I recommend my product Breathe.ease XL nasal Gel. This moisturizes at the cellular level so the white cells can get where they are needed, and the gel forms a sort of cover to keep the bugs from the guy who is coughing from reaching your nasal cells. Also carry kleenex to hand to the guy who is coughing next to you. > On 4/12/06 9:11 AM, in article > vE9%f.6027$i41.2004@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net, "Steven L." [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > to keep the bugs from the guy who is coughing from reaching your nasal > cells. Also carry kleenex to hand to the guy who is coughing next to you. Just before I take the taxi or limo to the airport to board my flight, I always irrigate one last time with HydroPulse--"one for the road" as it were. The taxi or limo driver rings my doorbell, I ask him to wait a few minutes, I irrigate one last time and I'm on my way. SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. Funny, I'm doing the double ph test right now and nothing like having a spaghetti tube down your throat to make you forget about the post nasal drip. Weird, I just don't feel it today. Maybe it is all pyschosomatic! > Funny, I'm doing the double ph test right now and nothing like having a > spaghetti tube down your throat to make you forget about the post nasal > drip. Just wait till you go to sleep, start tossing and turning, roll over the pH monitor and it starts to pull the tube out of you. That's real fun. Been there, done that. Take my advice and sleep upright in a recliner tonight. SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. Nah, I gotta do everything "normal" for the test to see if I really have LPR. I compulsively check the monitor to see the ph reading and so far, I haven't seen anything to indicate I have an acid reflux problem. I just finished a bowl of spicy noodles and my readings even hit the 7-8 ph levels. But that's just random checking, I'm sure the computer reading will be a lot more accurate! The only time I have seen it go below 4 was when I drank a glass of OJ. I just really hate the gagging feeling the tube is giving me and also when I eat, food is getting stuck in my throat. > Nah, I gotta do everything "normal" for the test to see if I really > have LPR. I compulsively check the monitor to see the ph reading and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > computer reading will be a lot more accurate! The only time I have > seen it go below 4 was when I drank a glass of OJ. For me it was a sobering reminder of what my lifestyle is doing to me. Every time I read interoffice email discussing business, the pH reading went down. On the way home from work, I got stuck in rush-hour traffic due to an accident up ahead, and the pH reading went down again. SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. I finished the probe today and strangely enough, I haven't had PND since the test started yesterday morning. I went a day and half without irrigating and I thought it would be really bad, but instead the PND is almost non-existent. Mere coincidence? Maybe I've been overdoing the irrigating? Or maybe it was the topical substance applied to the tube. I think it's applied so it'll go into the nose easier, but I wonder if it's got an antibacterial agent to it? Anyhow, this substance was up in my left nostril for 24 hours, maybe it killed off a low level infection? I should find out what it is and stuff up my nose more often! On 4/11/06 7:20 PM, in article euZ_f.5860$i41.2595@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net, "Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote: >>>> When I have mucous sliding down my throat, is that from my sinuses or >>>> could it be from mucous glands in my throat? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > tissue to infect it. So eventually that mucus will be swept out of the > nose with all those viruses and the person stays healthy. Steve is correct as usual. The mucus is a freeway to bring to bear antibiodies, white cells, eosinophiles, etc. One of the mucus products is ICAM !. This is a protein which is a portal for the cold virus to enter the body. This is why, for persons who always catch cold when everyone in the office has a cold , pulsatile irrigation to remove the ICAM - 1 may prevent the cold virus infection. It is also why using a moisturizer gel that moisturizes at the cellular level and at the same time acts as a shield to the nasal tissue, can prevent some of the illness people get when they fly. > One of the mucus products is ICAM !. This is a protein which is a portal for > the cold virus to enter the body. This is why, for persons who always catch > cold when everyone in the office has a cold , pulsatile irrigation to remove > the ICAM - 1 may prevent the cold virus infection. Actually, ICAM stands for "intercellular adhesion molecule." These chemicals are actually useful to the body in other contexts, in that they enable cells to stick together; white blood cells may use these chemicals to adhere to invading germs and also to adhere to the walls of blood vessels, as part of the normal inflammatory process. Unfortunately, glue works both ways--common cold viruses can use those same chemicals to adhere to our nasal tissues. I'll guess that ICAM evolved millions of years ago for this positive purpose of aiding the inflammatory response, and then the common cold viruses evolved to take advantage of it. SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
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