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hhggffdd - 15 Mar 2006 04:51 GMT
I'm taking delivery of my hydro pulse this
week.  I'm not a believer in it but I will
use it religiously in hopes I am wrong.
Dr. Grossan seems to believe that the cilia
stop working (for various reasons) and then
you become chronic with infections.  I believe
you become chronic with infections and then
the cilia simply can't work because the tissue
is inflamed.  I believe that even if the cilia
is beating like crazy it can't do anything with
a thick layer of snot over it.  Even if you
temporarily wash away the snot, the tissue is
still inflamed and more snot is on the way.
But hey like I said I hope I'm wrong and nothing
else is working. I'll post my experiences.
augustwestern - 15 Mar 2006 05:13 GMT
> I'm taking delivery of my hydro pulse this
> week.  I'm not a believer in it but I will
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> But hey like I said I hope I'm wrong and nothing
> else is working. I'll post my experiences.

Regular Hydropulse use is one important tool that can help you get a grip on
your sinusitis. You also have to treat underlying allergies, probably use a
nasal steroid spray daily, and follow a complete regimen of whatever works
best in your situation.

That said, the Hydropulse has been a miracle tool for me. Twice a day for 2
years now with no major sinus infections.  AW
Susan - 15 Mar 2006 14:34 GMT
> I'm taking delivery of my hydro pulse this
> week.  I'm not a believer in it but I will
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> But hey like I said I hope I'm wrong and nothing
> else is working. I'll post my experiences.

I think you may well be right about the cilia being harmed by infections.

That said, the machine is extremely helpful for me, though I have to
keep using it to keep infections from flaring up.  I didn't have nearly
these results with a simple irrigation bottle.

Susan
tyshock - 15 Mar 2006 16:49 GMT
Susan,

I'm interested in your distinctions between an irrigation bottle and
the hydropulse.  I do all my irrigations with a NeilMed bottle, and
I've asked my ENT about the hydropulse/irrgationTip a couple of times.
Both times he gave me the impression that the hydropulse was overkill.
He indicated the neilmed bottle should give me all the help I need.  He
also said that he's had some patients that used the device and they
complained about ear pains.

One statement he did make that left me with the impression he was
uninformed.......he stated 'Plus, have you seen how much those things
cost?'. He was indicating upwards of $250++.  However, for the past few
years a waterpik + attachment has been available for much, much less.

Thanks for any info!

Tyler
Susan - 15 Mar 2006 17:03 GMT
> Susan,
>
> I'm interested in your distinctions between an irrigation bottle and
> the hydropulse.  I do all my irrigations with a NeilMed bottle, and
> I've asked my ENT about the hydropulse/irrgationTip a couple of times.

The NeilMed is what I used to use, too.

> Both times he gave me the impression that the hydropulse was overkill.
> He indicated the neilmed bottle should give me all the help I need.

Did you ask him if he's had any personal experience using them on his
own sinuses?

  He
> also said that he's had some patients that used the device and they
> complained about ear pains.

That would mean that they didn't follow instructions, used higher
pressure than they should have, particularly if they irrigated while
congested.

> One statement he did make that left me with the impression he was
> uninformed.......he stated 'Plus, have you seen how much those things
> cost?'. He was indicating upwards of $250++.  However, for the past few
> years a waterpik + attachment has been available for much, much less.

Clearly, the man doesn't know what he's talking about.  My sister went
to an ENT recently who told her the water just goes up and out the other
side without doing anything.

For me, the Neilmed bottle never achieved the pressure I wanted, the
solution gushed out too fast, and I felt like I was drowning.  I make
sure I'm uncongested and get excellent results from the Hydropulse,
using it on the highest pressure setting, unless I have a cold or
congestion for other reasons.  I use most of the container on my right
side; my problem area.  I have to keep using it, it's far from a cure,
but at least I don't need round after round of systemic antibiotics for
my sinuses now.

Susan
tyshock - 15 Mar 2006 18:42 GMT
Thanks for the reply, Susan.

I think i'm going to purchase the hydropulse.  For less than $100, it's
worth checking out.

I also have another ENT appt tomorrow.  His answer isn't going to
change my mind, but I might ask him about it again and find some
detailed info on why he doesn't recommend it.  I do plan on informing
him of the <$100 price if he comes back with the cost answer.  

Tyler
Susan - 15 Mar 2006 18:52 GMT
> Thanks for the reply, Susan.
>
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>
> Tyler

Since when are doctors in charge of our personal financial decisions?

Susan
Murray Grossan - 16 Mar 2006 04:16 GMT
On 3/15/06 9:42 AM, in article
1142444531.429580.176560@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com, "tyshock"
<tyler.schacht@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the reply, Susan.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Tyler

You may want to download the 34 + articles at www.ent-consult.com that
recommend pulsatile irrigation to show him, also in the chance  that your
particular insurance hesitates to reimburse you the price of the Hydro Pulse
you can send that to them too.
Murray Grossan - 16 Mar 2006 04:12 GMT
On 3/15/06 7:49 AM, in article
1142437790.241954.9230@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "tyshock"
<tyler.schacht@gmail.com> wrote:

> Susan,
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Tyler

If you purchase a water pik with four attachments its about the same price
as the Hydro Pulse with four attachments but includes Breathe.ease samples
and excerpts of The Sinus Cure and is Latex free. Plus, insurance coverage
is available more and more these days for the HP as it is FDA registered for
nasal - sinus irrigation.
The main advantage of Hydro Pulse over squeeze bottles is that you keep one
steady gentle pressure. The squeeze bottle pressure can vary significantly
and it doesn't pulsate.
However lots of persons do well with the squeeze bottles, esp for industrial
use to wash away products before they leave work.
Re price, it certainly makes sense to try the squeeze bottle to see if it
works for you.
hhggffdd - 17 Mar 2006 03:18 GMT
> On 3/15/06 7:49 AM, in article
> 1142437790.241954.9230@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "tyshock"
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> steady gentle pressure. The squeeze bottle pressure can vary significantly
> and it doesn't pulsate.

Whoa!  Wait a minute!  I thought the main advantage was the
pulsation?!?!?

> However lots of persons do well with the squeeze bottles, esp for industrial
> use to wash away products before they leave work.
> Re price, it certainly makes sense to try the squeeze bottle to see if it
> works for you.
loxaluck - 16 Mar 2006 15:04 GMT
i have been to several ENTs. at one he had a closet full of NETI pots.  at
another he had a closet full of NeilMed bottles.  i wonder if it might be
to a drs. advantage to push the product that he has in stock?  when
ordering refills of the bogus solution for the Neil Med bottle they did
want to know which dr recommended.  does the dr kept a kickback or maybe
just free stock?  


hhggffdd - 17 Mar 2006 03:20 GMT
> i have been to several ENTs. at one he had a closet full of NETI pots.  at
> another he had a closet full of NeilMed bottles.  i wonder if it might be
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>  

I've been given NeilMed bottle by several ents.  I assumed
Neilmed gives them out as samples to ents.
 
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