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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / February 2006How Can Sinus Irrigation Get Rid Of A Sinus Infection?
If one uses a water pik with a nasal tip attached and you use a low setting an inch away from nose to drain saline in the nostral and it comes out the other nostral as in a horseshoe it will clean the nose but what about the deep pus impacted sinus cavities deep in the head? jan >If one uses a water pik with a nasal tip > attached and you use a low setting an inch > away >from nose to drain saline in the nostral and it > comes out the other nostral as in a horseshoe >it will clean the nose but what about the deep > pus impacted sinus cavities deep in the >head? I think the whole idea of the irrigation is to assist the body's natural cleaning system. ...As I mentioned before, it wasn't until I used the H²0² that I actually incurred an effect on the infection itself. (excluding antibiotics, however.) ...Jon >> If one uses a water pik with a nasal tip >> attached and you use a low setting an inch [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > H²0² that I actually incurred an effect on the infection itself. > (excluding antibiotics, however.) ...Jon Jon, That's interesting that you're using Hydrogen Peroxide in your rinse. Is it uncomfortable? At what strength do you use it and do you add saline to it? I'm curious if your doctor suggested it or if it's something you tried on your own. Good luck with it! -a >Jon, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > suggested it or if it's something you tried on > your own. Good luck with it! Hi Andy... Don't misunderstand my posts. I've been irrigating for 6 years now (2 or 3 times per day), but I've only used the H²0² maybe 1/2 dz. times. Is it uncomfortable? ...Well, if you over-do the strength, it's like reaching over your head with your hand, putting 2 fingers up our nose, and peeling the top part of your face back. Listen... I don't want to encourage anyone to use it, unless their Dr. advises it (so don't follow my advice, as your sinus condition may be different than mine), but for me.. ...I try to make the solution as strong as I can handle it. I use cold, salted water, and keep adding the peroxide until it gets to the stinging level. (you can see bubbles forming in the sink). ...I keep my head as low as possible, and turn the water-pik down to extend the exposure. ...I don't like to use this regimen, unless I get to the point where I know the regular saline irrigation isn't helping. Simply because, my sinuses actually become worse for the next few days due to the inflicted irritation. ...But I have found it does indeed help, in the long run (and with no noticable bad side effects). Unfortunately, I don't know exactly what it does to help, or even of the potential dangers of over-use. ..And no, my Dr. is not even aware of this technique. You'll find most Drs. know very little about sinusitis, and are stuck in the useless 10 day amoxil mindset. ...Funny, even my Otolaryngologist wasn't aware of Dr. Grossan's device, so I gave him the empty box to study up on it. Most Drs. think: antibiotic, then surgery. ...I was destined for surgery 6 years ago, but have managed to keep my sinuses under pretty good control without the need for any antibiotics for the last few years. ...Jon I relate the H202 pain to being maced. No joke. In fact, that's got me thinking. Maybe a good way to purge the sinusus is self inflicted macing. No pain, no gain. On a more serious note, if anyone does decide to try H202, start with a VERY weak mixture and work your way up. > >Jon, > > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > good control without the need for any antibiotics for the last few > years. ...Jon >>>>>http://www.onlypunjab.com/fitness/fullstory-insight-Worlds+Hot+Pepper+Nasal+Spra y+is+a+Life-newsID-454.html bingo! >>>>>>http://www.onlypunjab.com/fitness/fullstory-insight-Worlds+Hot+Pepper+Nasal+Spra y+is+a+Life-newsID-454.html > > bingo! You try it first, let us know how it goes. :-) Susan > I relate the H202 pain to being maced. No joke. In fact, that's got > me thinking. Maybe a good way to purge the sinusus is self inflicted > macing. No pain, no gain. > > On a more serious note, if anyone does decide to try H202, start with a > VERY weak mixture and work your way up. Two capfuls in 16 oz saline solution is my limit. One capful is more like it. Susan tyler.schacht@gmail.com (tyshock) wrote: >I relate the H202 pain to being maced. No > joke. In fact, that's got me thinking. Maybe a > good way to purge the sinusus is self inflicted > macing. No pain, no gain. The first time I tried the Peroxide, I over-did it. ...I hung my head over the tub going: "AHHHHHHHIIIIEEEEEAAAHHHHHHEEEE..." in severe pain, as the mucus and blood litterly raced out of my nose like those bugs do in that TV ad when they attempt to escape from the can of "Raid". ...I hadn't seen any of this material come out during the normal saline irrigation, in spite of having performed it just minutes before. ..This is why I've always questioned if perhaps it was the "EXTREME" irritation that caused my sinuses to purge themselves, as opposed to the antiseptic qualities of the peroxide doing their job. ...AAR, this first time worked the best for helping out my condition. ...Jon >> Jon, >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > good control without the need for any antibiotics for the last few > years. ...Jon Thanks, Jon. I had a feeling that using it could potentially be very painful. Don't worry, I have no plans to try it out anytime soon. I was just curious about it after you mentioned using it. I hadn't heard of Grossan's device until he replied to a message of mine up above. Do you like it better than using those plastic rinse bottles you can find at drugstores (Ayr, NeilMed, etc.)? I'm using the Ayr version right now. It's the first rinse I'd ever done and I definitely find it useful. >I hadn't heard of Grossan's device until he > replied to a message of mine up above. Do [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > right now. It's the first rinse I'd ever done and I > definitely find it useful. You know, before I came to this newsgroup, you wouldn't catch me within 10 feet of any water that could potentially get into my nose. ...And even now, when I tell people what I do. ...It's like: "You put what?? ..Where??" Of course I, like most other people, didn't realize that just by adding a little salt, I could take the 2nd worst pain for man, and turn it into a surprisingly relaxing experience. ...Definitely, I would say the Grossan device is better than most other systems. ...Take myself... I don't even measure. ...I just automatically know how much salt to put in the container. You don't really need all those precise measurements anyways, as most salt doesn't instantly dissolve, so you'll notice changes as you're irrigating (unless you use something pre-mixed). ...There isn't much leeway. You put too much salt in, or not enough, and you know instantly. ...Jon >> I hadn't heard of Grossan's device until he >> replied to a message of mine up above. Do [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > ...There isn't much leeway. You put too much salt in, or not enough, > and you know instantly. ...Jon Jon, Thanks again. I hear you about the preconceptions of putting water up one's nose. I was fully prepared for some ugliness the first time I tried it. However, I was pleasantly surprised at how easy it turned out to be. Just out of curiosity, what is man's 1st worst pain? :-) Right now, I'm using the pre-measured packs that came with my Ayr rinse kit. They're not too expensive and easy to use. Having said that, I am interested in the Grossan system, mainly because it pulses the water. I think the slight pressure differences in the pulsating stream would help to suck the junk out of the maxillary sinuses better than a constant pressure stream. -a >Just out of curiosity, what is man's 1st worst > pain? :-) You have to ask? ...You're not an Andria, are you? ..Jon >> Just out of curiosity, what is man's 1st worst >> pain? :-) >> > You have to ask? ...You're not an Andria, are you? ..Jon Ha! No sir, I'm not an Andrea. Does the hydropulse make them easier to handle?? ;-) >Ha! No sir, I'm not an Andrea. > >Does the hydropulse make them easier to > handle?? ;-) LOL... I think you're confusing your "bells" with your "belles", if you get my drift ;-) ...Jon > If one uses a water pik with a nasal tip attached and you use a low > setting an inch away [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > jan It just seems like you can get more of the infection out when you do the washes. It sounds like you are not doing them right. You need to tilt you head way back to get the wash into your sinuses. One of the great reliefs is that when you wash them out and blow your nose, you get all that gunk out. Especially in the morning when you are able to get all the colorful stuff washed out. My system is not capable of removing all this gunk naturally. If it stays in there and rots some more, you are going to have a whole lot more problems. > > If one uses a water pik with a nasal tip attached and you use a low > > setting an inch away [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > removing all this gunk naturally. If it stays in there and rots some > more, you are going to have a whole lot more problems. Interesting, if I hold my head back while irrigating I am sick for days.On my cat scan of my sinuses I was told I have sinuses the size of an infants and I think that may be what the problem is-I don't have normal adult size sinuses. On 2/11/06 10:54 AM, in article 1139684050.089972.180160@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "jan" <mysterygrail@yahoo.com> wrote: > an inch away > from nose to drain saline in the nostral and it comes out the other > nostral as in a horseshoe An inch away from the nose??? You aren't doing this correctly, it should be firmly placed into the nostril and "sealed". The Hydro Pulse is not a hose that goes directly into each sinus cavity. It is the flow, the suction, pressure, the restoring of normal cilia function that does the job. Once the cilia are restored to function that is usually the solution to most problems. > On 2/11/06 10:54 AM, in article > 1139684050.089972.180160@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "jan" [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > that does the job. Once the cilia are restored to function that is usually > the solution to most problems. No, not an inch from my nose. The water flow is approx. an inch from the nasal tip on the low setting. Then I place it firmly on my nostral. > The Hydro Pulse is not a hose that goes directly into each sinus cavity. It > is the flow, the suction, pressure, the restoring of normal cilia function > that does the job. Once the cilia are restored to function that is usually > the solution to most problems. BTW: Do you know of any interesting research on meds, devices, etc., to help improve ciliary action and move mucus in the LOWER respiratory tract? Many patients, from cystic fibrosis to chronic bronchitis to us sinusitis patients with PND into the airway, could benefit. AFAIK, the only device I've ever heard of to loosen phlegm down there is a "Flutter Device," and it doesn't work all that well. Perhaps some kind of ultrasound could get things vibrating down there?  SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. On 2/13/06 6:45 AM, in article 43F09B8B.4080706@earthlinkNOSPAM.net, "Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote: > BTW: Do you know of any interesting research on meds, devices, etc., to > help improve ciliary action and move mucus in the LOWER respiratory [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Device," and it doesn't work all that well. Perhaps some kind of > ultrasound could get things vibrating down there? The number one drug for the cystic fibrosis chest is Dornase which is a proteolytic enzyme. Clear.ease - a buccal tablet of papain and bromelain has been reported anecdotally as helping the chest cilia in CF- it helps the nasal cilia- but no big studies have been done. But, its easy enough to try at 75 cents a day. Flutter device is like a kazoo - gives a low vibration to the chest - it is supposed to do for the chest mucus by sound what the Hhdro Pulse does for the nasal cilia. Popular in Europe but not here. . A similar techniques is to teach a low tone "ooooommmmmmm" which is also a sound vibration. There is experimentation with nebulized hypertonic saline but still experimental and don't know who is doing the research. Terrance Davidson in San Diego has done good work for CF sinusitis. |
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