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Trying To Get Rid Of Sinus Infection
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jan - 22 Jan 2006 02:44 GMT I had a mild type sinus infection while having the flu. I decided to wait before going on antibiotics. I have tried hot teas, vitamins, irrigation, hot soups, herbs etc. Then I caught a cold from my daughter and had tons of mucous in my ear, head,.& throat. I was dizzy for a day. Now the dizziness is gone but I am blowing my nose and the drainage is bright orange? I have heard of yellow and green drainage but not orange. Is this a sign of bacterial infection?
Thank you.
Jan
Steven L. - 22 Jan 2006 03:36 GMT > I had a mild type sinus infection while having the flu. I decided to > wait before going on [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > orange. Is this a sign > of bacterial infection? Well, when I had that, it was sure a sign of bacterial infection. YMMV.
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jan - 22 Jan 2006 17:18 GMT I have been holding off taking antibiotics. Can a bacterial infection really go away on its own? Thanks.
Jan
Johnny1000@webtv.net - 22 Jan 2006 19:43 GMT mysterygrail@yahoo.com (jan) wrote:
>I have been holding off taking antibiotics. > Can a bacterial infection >really go away >on its own? Thanks. Hi Jan... I've been plagued with sinus problems, for the last 30+ years. I've managed to stay away from antibiotics for a couple of years now. ..I'm currently fighting a rather nasty flare-up, but much like the one I had a year ago, my increased irrigation regimen is slowly getting the better of it.
I really doubt the bacterial infection completely goes away, as you're always stuck with the conditions that initially caused it.. It's like an abscessed tooth. You take an antibiotic, and it settles the inflammation down so the Dentist can repair the problem. ...However, if you don't get that tooth root-canaled, there'll always be that little pocket at the tooth root that bacteria may use to get a foothold.
Just like in your sinus. ...Once you've damaged a part of them, because of a previous infection, the conditions prone to bacterial build-up will always be there, unless you're fortunate enough to find the perfect surgeon..
As long as you irrigate, I think you help keep things in tow, by eliminating the excess bacteria before they can get a good foot hold. However, certain things can upset this "truce". Like a cold, allergy, or in my case, if I blow my nose a little too hard. ...Once you've got a full blown flare-up, the irrigation does help, particularly with regards to removing the blocking mucus. ...It also helps, I believe, to restore the cilia, and thus assist the body's own ability to clear itself.
I think the decision to use an antibiotic should be based on your condition. In my case, I was feeling pretty crappy the last few day, so I was going to give it until Monday (Tomorrow), before going to the Dr.. ..However, I can tell right now that it is settling down, so I won't bother.
...The trouble with people today is that as soon as they get so much as a sniffle, they're down at the Dr.s office, asking for an antibiotic. ..I'd much rather save using such things, until I develope a condition that really requires them. ...Jon
tommie_de_egel@hotmail.com - 24 Jan 2006 09:09 GMT Funny, when you say you think `the infection never goes away'. I have the same feeling: there is an `infection base'' somewhere and whenever i get tired or ill this sinus infection flares up. Strangely, in my case the CT scan is negative and the ENT says that if there was a chronic bacterial infection he would be able to spot this. I doubt that because he cannot give an accurate explanation for my symptoms and yellow gunk keeps coming out despite my negative CT.
All the best to you!
Don Brady - 22 Jan 2006 20:39 GMT >I have been holding off taking antibiotics. Can a bacterial infection >really go away >on its own? Thanks. > > Try lots of rest. Say 10 hours a day for a few days.
Steven L. - 23 Jan 2006 01:09 GMT > I have been holding off taking antibiotics. Can a bacterial infection > really go away > on its own? Thanks. The studies I've seen suggest that roughly half of bacterial sinus infections resolve spontaneously even without antibiotics, especially if measures are taken to improve drainage (decongestants, moisture, etc.). But it can take a while. You may still be symptomatic for weeks.
In fact, clinical trials have failed to show a consistent benefit to taking antibiotics, even for bacterial sinus infections:
http://www.postgradmed.com/issues/2004/01_04/leggett.htm
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Murray Grossan - 23 Jan 2006 23:41 GMT On 1/22/06 5:09 PM, in article M0WAf.11524$ZA2.10612@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net, "Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
>> I have been holding off taking antibiotics. Can a bacterial infection >> really go away [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > http://www.postgradmed.com/issues/2004/01_04/leggett.htm People got well long before they had antibiotics.
One study in Lancet showed about the same result from placebo as from Amoxacillin in proven sinusitis. Another study in Family practice showed the same symptoms 6 days after onset between antibiotic and placebo. Doesn't mean you shouldn't take antibiotic if you need it, but does suggest that one should give natural healing a chance before running out to take drugs.
The biggest fault is stopping the antibiotic before the full dose. The second fault is not taking measures to speed nasal cilia after the antibiotic has killed the bacteria.
Steven L. - 24 Jan 2006 23:39 GMT > One study in Lancet showed about the same result from placebo as from > Amoxacillin in proven sinusitis. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The second fault is not taking measures to speed nasal cilia after the > antibiotic has killed the bacteria. The third fault is getting recurrent sinus infections and just blasting them with antibiotics each time, rather than attempting to determine and correct the underlying cause (allergy, deviated septum, etc.). That's how I got chronic sinusitis--repeated insults to my upper respiratory tract from recurrent acute infections finally led to chronic inflammation.
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Don Brady - 25 Jan 2006 03:42 GMT >The third fault is getting recurrent sinus infections and just blasting >them with antibiotics each time, rather than attempting to determine and >correct the underlying cause (allergy, deviated septum, etc.). That's >how I got chronic sinusitis--repeated insults to my upper respiratory >tract from recurrent acute infections finally led to chronic inflammation. Such chronic inflammation can sometimes be reversed with the right surgery and the right care, but I think that most other things have to be exactly right for this to happen.
Preesi - 22 Jan 2006 04:50 GMT > I had a mild type sinus infection while having the flu. I decided to > wait before going on [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Jan Try a vibrator pressed against the sinuses... Or hum, it loosens it up...
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jan - 23 Jan 2006 01:43 GMT Thanks everyone for your help. I have used irrigation for years. However, If I have a sinus infection (acute) at the time it makes matters worse by forcing infective mucous up in the sinus cavity. For chronic sinusitis it has been the most helpful, I agree.
Has any one in this group cured there longterm sinusitis? I still have a quality of life issue due to my chronic sinusitis of 20 years! I am unable to work full time because of it. (had nasal /sinus surgery 5 years ago)
Thanks
Jan
Don Brady - 23 Jan 2006 02:24 GMT >Thanks everyone for your help. I have used irrigation for years. >However, If I have a sinus [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >full time because >of it. (had nasal /sinus surgery 5 years ago) Many have made major improvements in their conditions. Some (including the original FAQ author and others) have mostly dropped out of active participation because their interest level dropped off once their problem were mostly addressed.
Surgery should help but often will not alone cure sinusitis because anatomical variation is usually not the major cause in the first place. Allergies and altered immune or other systemic response are often the major causes and they are not much affected by surgery.
What are the ways in which it so bad for you that it has so much of an eftect on your quality of life? I am nto doubting that it can have that effect - I know it can, but the ways in which ti does so vary and may gove ride to different approaches....
In other words, what is the worst thing for you? Coughing? Fatigue? Hacking post-nasal drainage? Infections? Depression? Pain?
jan - 23 Jan 2006 02:57 GMT Thanks Don for responding, I have chronic sinusitis with severe postnasal drip non- stop for 20 years that often gets infected in the sinus cavity. I always have a foggy unwell feeling in the head, like living in a haze, that has brought on a deep depression!
What gets me is that the people I know do not have this "sinus issue" and they tend to think it is psychological in my case. All allergy testing is negative and steroid sprays work okay for only short term and then I get severe irritation from them. So far the nasal rinses help the most but not enough to feel really great! Sometimes I even feel suicidal. The sinusitis day after day, year after year ,with that tired unwell feeling has made it impossible for me to work full time and being around people. I catch every 'bug" that comes down the pike.
Is it possible depression comes first and then the sinusitis-OR is it that the sinusitis caused the depression? My sinusitis started after a virus and I have never been the same since.. That was 20 years ago. Never had allergies in my life. . When I had my sinus surgery I had buckets of mucous. I keep making tons of mucus and sometimes have cysts.
Jan
Don Brady - 23 Jan 2006 03:24 GMT >Thanks Don for responding, I have chronic sinusitis with severe >postnasal drip non- [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >never been the >same since.. In that case it sounds as if the sinusitis did come first.
Thanks for the details. Others may be able to comment better than I can on those particular symptoms because mine were different. I just do not know much about that particular set,
But it does not sound to me as if your condition has been adequaltely diagnosed.
All I can think of immediately is that in that situation I would go to Mayo Clinic in Rochester MN for a review.. They always look for underlying systemic causes etc.
If you can find a local superstar in internal medicine to coordinate your diagnosis and treatment, that could be another approach. People do not know,but they regard it it as in their mandate to coordinate all diagnosis and treatment for all icult conditions. Going directly to ENT's is not the best approach in complicated cases.
> That was 20 years ago. Never had allergies in my life. >. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jan jan - 23 Jan 2006 03:46 GMT Don, thats a good idea to see someone other than an ENT. I would love to go to Mayo clinic but not sure when or how I can go. I do have good insurance for now.
Also, I was wondering can chronic lyme disease give a person chronic sinusitis? I have read this from certain forums, have you?? I don't think I have lyme but sometimes I wonder....
Thanks
Jan
Don Brady - 23 Jan 2006 04:33 GMT >Don, thats a good idea to see someone other than an ENT. I would love >to go to >Mayo clinic but not sure when or how I can go. I do have good >insurance for now. Well now could be a good time to go then. It is in a small town so stays are really cheap. They accept every insurance company in the U.S. If you call them they can tell you what would be needed.
I would ask for an Internal Medicine review as well as an ENT one (since your symptoms may go beyond nasal-sinus).
>Also, I was wondering can chronic lyme disease give a person chronic >sinusitis? I >have read this from certain forums, have you?? I don't think I have >lyme but sometimes >I wonder.... Anything is possible but that particular diagnosis can be sort of a current fad diagnosis when they run out of other ones. Studies have shown that it is often given incorrectly due to failure to find a very real problem that was missed.. However, Mayo has a national reputation in infectious diseases, so thery should be able to find it if it is there.
I do agree with you that something of that sort could be at work though. Could also be some other immune disorder or also a glandular one (thyroid etc) or anemia etc. I would not be at all surprised. .....
Preesi - 23 Jan 2006 14:33 GMT > Thanks Don for responding, I have chronic sinusitis with severe > postnasal drip non- [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Jan I wonder if Botox could help stop mucus production like it stops severe armpit and hand sweating
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Steven L. - 23 Jan 2006 16:48 GMT > Thanks Don for responding, I have chronic sinusitis with severe > postnasal drip non- > stop for 20 years that often gets infected in the sinus cavity. I > always have a foggy > unwell feeling in the head, like living in a haze, that has brought on > a deep depression! A common symptom of sinusitis is malaise, just as with the common cold. And chronic malaise can be mistaken for lots of other conditions, including depression and even PMS. Besides, the strain of having to cope with a chronic illness when there's little hope of a complete cure is, frankly, depressing:
"I had sinusitis for years. I kept working but felt like I wanted to die. I felt like no one understood what I was going through, my wife would always say: 'I can't believe you complain so much about something as trivial as a sinus infection', and then she got one....and she started complaining!" -- Dr. Wellington Tichenor, http://www.sinuses.com/whatis.htm
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Preesi - 24 Jan 2006 03:03 GMT >> Thanks Don for responding, I have chronic sinusitis with severe >> postnasal drip non- [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > of having to cope with a chronic illness when there's little hope of > a complete cure is, frankly, depressing: Could that malaise be due to higher blood glucose due to infection?
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NOTvalid@Queensbridge.us - 29 Jan 2006 20:10 GMT I have read that Claritin-D, [loratadine-D] can cause depresseion. Are you taking that?
Murray Grossan - 23 Jan 2006 23:43 GMT On 1/22/06 5:43 PM, in article 1137980586.194417.65200@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "jan" <mysterygrail@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks everyone for your help. I have used irrigation for years. > However, If I have a sinus > infection (acute) at the time it makes matters worse by forcing > infective mucous up > in the sinus cavity. For chronic sinusitis it has been the most > helpful, I agree If you use correct pressure - i.e. Pulsatile stream almost one inch high - you don't force infection into the ear or sinuses. Also you are instructed not to swallow when irrigating .
billybooger@billybooger.com - 23 Jan 2006 15:46 GMT Try irragation with warm (hot) tap water with Kosher salt. It has worked wonders for me.
Stand over sink, put your head down as low as possible, pour salt mixture in palm of hand and sniff up your nose. Hold mixture in nose/sinuses for a few seconds. Gently blow out each nostrel. Repeat until small container is used up. Repeat procedure several (4 or 5) times each day. Then maintain with 2 to 3 procedures.
Makes an amazing difference. Cheap and effective.
Good luck.
>I had a mild type sinus infection while having the flu. I decided to >wait before going on [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Jan
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