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Allen L. - 20 Jan 2006 18:28 GMT
Steven,

You and I have similar symptoms, as I have chronic post nasal drip causing
some bronchial problems that are very similar to asthma or emphysema, or
chronic bronchitis. My doctors have me using Albuterol if needed and
suggested I try Combivent also. Well, the Combivent seemed to give me the
symptom it gave you, that you reflected in one of your posts, in that it
made the mucous in your chest seem to 'clog' up around your larynx. I seem
to do pretty well on the Albuterol and don't have to resort to using it that
often, and Combivent is great at really 'opening' up my breathing, but it
causes so much problems with my throat I can't use it.

My question for you is that in one of your replies, and I can't locate it,
you mentioned some other inhaler that you either used or tried, or maybe are
using now. I just wondered if you could please try and recall what inhalers
you have used with success. If I recall correctly you did say you used
Albuterol...just wondered if you found anything any better.

Thank you very much for reading,

Allen
Steven L. - 20 Jan 2006 22:42 GMT
> My question for you is that in one of your replies, and I can't locate it,
> you mentioned some other inhaler that you either used or tried, or maybe are
> using now. I just wondered if you could please try and recall what inhalers
> you have used with success. If I recall correctly you did say you used
> Albuterol...just wondered if you found anything any better.

FWIW, here's my experience, but I don't know if it will be of much help
to you:

Yes, I found that ipratropium bromide inhalers made me feel worse.  The
drying effect on the lungs is a good thing and a worthwhile price to
pay, if the mucus is being secreted in the lungs (as with bronchitis).
But if the mucus is mostly PND from the sinuses, then drying out the
lungs is of no benefit and will only make it harder for the cilia to
push out the PND.

I was doing pretty well on albuterol, until I started getting mild BPH
as I got older.  The alpha-adrenergic side effect of the albuterol on my
urinary tract was making it nearly impossible for me to pee.  I found an
asthma specialist who switched me to Maxair which seems to have less of
this side effect, and that's what I have used ever since.

To potentiate the Maxair, I tried a variety of steroid inhalers.  The
one I ultimately settled on with the fewest side effects was QVAR.  So
using those two inhalers worked for me.  After my second sinus surgery,
my symptoms improved enough that I was able to taper off the QVAR and
now I'm on Maxair only.

Inhaling steam thru my mouth (from a 3 quart pot of boiling water) is
still the best way for me to liquefy that PND phlegm in my airway.
Often, after inhaling that steam for maybe 20-30 minutes, I find that
the phlegm just suddenly "detaches" from my airways and flies right out
of my windpipe with one cough.

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Allen L. - 21 Jan 2006 01:14 GMT
>> My question for you is that in one of your replies, and I can't
>> locate it, you mentioned some other inhaler that you either used or
>> tried, or maybe are using now. I just wondered if you could please
>> try and recall what inhalers you have used with success. If I recall
>> correctly you did say you used Albuterol...just wondered if you
>> found anything any better.

>In news:GHdAf.3746$vU2.1149@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net,
>Steven L. <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> typed:
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> the phlegm just suddenly "detaches" from my airways and flies right
> out of my windpipe with one cough.

Thanks for the reply Steven, Maxair is the name I was trying to recall.
You're like me, and probably have tried so many different medications for
relief it's hard to remember what worked and in what combination. I knew you
seemed to keep a 'running' record and would remember all the things I asked
about.

Would you say the relief from the Maxair is about the same as with
Albuterol? Or would you still be taking Albuterol if it weren't for the BPH?
I only resort to using Albuterol if I really get the short of breath
'feeling' and also feel exceptionally clogged up with mucous in my throat
and upper chest.  When you used Albuterol, did you use it daily on a regular
schedule, or just when you felt you needed it? How about the Maxair, is it
taken when needed, or does it work best on a schedule?

Thanks again for the help,

...Allen
Allen L. - 22 Jan 2006 13:13 GMT
>> In news:GHdAf.3746$vU2.1149@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net,
>> Steven L. <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> typed:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> I was doing pretty well on albuterol, until I started getting mild
>> BPH as I got older.

Steven, were you only using the Albuterol when needed, or were you using it
daily and on a schedule? Would you have continued with Albuterol and not
even considered using Maxair, if it hadn't been contributing to the BPH
condition?

>> ...the Maxair...

After you switched to Maxair, was it used as needed, or daily?

>>I tried a variety of steroid inhalers.  The
>> one I ultimately settled on with the fewest side effects was QVAR...

Do you think by using the steriod inhalers in combination with the dilators,
they made the mucous easier for you to clear it, or did it only make you
breathing 'attacks' less frequent?

Sorry to 'ping' you for more answers, but these should explain for me how to
progess and I do thank you for taking your time to explain.

...Allen

> Thanks for the reply Steven, Maxair is the name I was trying to
> recall. You're like me, and probably have tried so many different
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>
> ...Allen
Steven L. - 23 Jan 2006 00:51 GMT
>>>In news:GHdAf.3746$vU2.1149@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net,
>>>Steven L. <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> typed:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Steven, were you only using the Albuterol when needed, or were you using it
> daily and on a schedule?

Two puffs every morning, two puffs every evening.

> Would you have continued with Albuterol and not
> even considered using Maxair, if it hadn't been contributing to the BPH
> condition?

No.
Now I use the Maxair, two puffs every morning.  I stopped needing it in
the evening after my surgeries took effect.

> Do you think by using the steriod inhalers in combination with the dilators,
> they made the mucous easier for you to clear it, or did it only make you
> breathing 'attacks' less frequent?

Both.

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Allen L. - 23 Jan 2006 12:39 GMT
>>>> In news:GHdAf.3746$vU2.1149@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net,
>>>> Steven L. <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> typed:
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>
> Both.

Steven, thank you very much, that's what I wanted to hear. The waiting until
needed wasn't working for me. I'll try and switch over to the Maxair and see
how it works on me...reading the PDR about it, it sounds much better that
Albuterol.

...Allen
Murray Grossan - 21 Jan 2006 04:54 GMT
On 1/20/06 2:42 PM, in article
GHdAf.3746$vU2.1149@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net, "Steven L."
<sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:

> Inhaling steam thru my mouth (from a 3 quart pot of boiling water) is
> still the best way for me to liquefy that PND phlegm in my airway.
> Often, after inhaling that steam for maybe 20-30 minutes, I find that
> the phlegm just suddenly "detaches" from my airways and flies right out
> of my windpipe with one cough.
'
It is much better to use an ELECTIC steamer they sell for facial beauty.
When you inhale try ot have your tongue out, so more of the steam gets to
the lungs.
Don Brady - 21 Jan 2006 19:24 GMT
>Inhaling steam thru my mouth (from a 3 quart pot of boiling water) is
>still the best way for me to liquefy that PND phlegm in my airway.
>Often, after inhaling that steam for maybe 20-30 minutes, I find that
>the phlegm just suddenly "detaches" from my airways and flies right out
>of my windpipe with one cough.

Hmm that still sounds to me as something that might be the case with low
metabolsim.

However, i think you may have said previosuly that y our TSH was normal.  Do
you know the  numeric value of  your TSH?   Sorry if we covered this
before......

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