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Is being alive the cause?

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Tim - 09 Dec 2005 05:02 GMT
Sorry, that is how I feel sometimes and no need to answer - totally
rhetorical.  Had allergy tests a couple weeks ago and all that showed
was a slight bump from Dust Mites.  Now I am currently undergoing
allergy shots for the Dust Mite allergy.   've never tried the allergy
shots, but I will give it a shot, no punn intended.  Pretty much
everything else has been attempted except for allergy shots.  Lower
lobe of my lung was removed, couple septoplasties, tubes in ears, mass
amounts antibiotics administered orally and IV, inhalers, nasal sprays
and various oral medications.  My medicine cabinet looks like a
pharamcy.

I have been dealing with sinusits and respiratory problems since
childhood and will be 33 in a couple weeks.  I just feel beaten down.
I   I was recently given prednisone which immediate cleared up my
symtoms, probably a 80% improvement and that is why the allergy doc
thinks it is this dust mite allergy, althought I am skeptical.  Wish I
could take prednisone for the rest of my life, but then I would have
other problems due to the side-effects of prednisone.  Really
unbelievable how well it worked.  My sinuses and chest cleared right up
and I was able to speak more clearly and without fear that a glob of
mucous was going to crack my voice.

In my opinion, I believe my problems are food related.  For example,
once in a while I get a hangover and get really sick, so I don't eat
for 24 hours or more and my symptoms dramatically subside.  Same thing
if I just don't get around to eating until late in the day, but
immediately when I begin eating, I become congested and feel fatigued,
which I know is sometimes the case for everyone when eating certain
types of food.  Seems like a wide range of food too, although, I have
tried just eating raw vegetables and fruit for a couple days and I
don't seems to have that severe of a reaction .  Very difficult to eat
those type of food for long periods of time.  I've taken Zantaz, Pepcid
and Protonix (sp?) in the past without any reduction in my symptoms.
If GERD/Acid Reflux was the problem then why would Prednisone work so
well?  It's enough to make a person go  nuts!    Thanks for reading.
Don Brady - 09 Dec 2005 05:59 GMT
>Sorry, that is how I feel sometimes and no need to answer - totally
>rhetorical.  Had allergy tests a couple weeks ago and all that showed
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>and I was able to speak more clearly and without fear that a glob of
>mucous was going to crack my voice.

That's standard.  It stops all inflammation anyhere regardless of cause.   But,
as you say,  it has side effects if taken long term.

>In my opinion, I believe my problems are food related.  For example,
>once in a while I get a hangover and get really sick, so I don't eat
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>don't seems to have that severe of a reaction .  Very difficult to eat
>those type of food for long periods of time.  

Not eating much protein and calories just slows down your metabolism so much
that your sinuses stop flowing altogether to a degree, which gives you some
"relief".  But it is not really a long term solution either.

>I've taken Zantaz, Pepcid
>and Protonix (sp?) in the past without any reduction in my symptoms.
>If GERD/Acid Reflux was the problem then why would Prednisone work so
>well?  It's enough to make a person go  nuts!    Thanks for reading.

Do you know thryoid TSH number?   You might have low thyroid.   Or amemia of
one form or another.  I would check them out (just some blood tests).  

It is one possibility among others.......
Shirley Thebaglady - 09 Dec 2005 12:05 GMT
Try taking dairy products out of your diet for 1 week.

The next week take wheat products out of your diet.

If you feel a little better you know it is some of the food that you are
eating.

I've had allergies for years from foods that I ate. My body reacts to
wheat products,  wine and cheeses.

shirley
Tim - 10 Dec 2005 04:43 GMT
Thank you for your replies.  I've been tested for thyroid problems,
cystic fibrosis, celiac disease and a multitude of other conditions -
all negative.   Prednisone also suppresses your immune system so
recently I requested that I get tested for an auto-immune disorder
named Wegener's Granulomatosis and my doctor orderd the tests.  We will
see what the results show.  Thanks for the advice, but normally I don't
eat much dairy, but I eat aminal products in one form or another quite
often.   Well, I am going to go on a diet and eliminate most foods from
my diet.  It would be nice to know the specific foods, so I could avoid
them and if I chose to eat them, just accept the consequences.  That is
one source of my frustration - not knowing what I have.
Brad - 10 Dec 2005 20:33 GMT
Tim, it sounds like some kind of food allergy.

However, as most everything enters either through the mouth or nose, I
recommend daily irrigation and nasal saline spray.  If this doesn't
help, then you would know it's most likely food related. Dr. Grossan's
nose/sinus irrigation is a wonderful method to eliminate airborne
allergens from attacking us. I would use the irrigation in the morning
and evening and 3-4 times a day use the saline nasal spray which you
can carry with you.  This way all the stuff in the air does not get a
chance to cause misery. I mix my own spray using the 1.5 fl oz plastic
bottles from drug stores' saline spray which burns my nose but Dr.
Grossan's salt mix is great stuff. There's lots of threads on
irrigation in this ng.

If I sound like a commercial for Dr. Grossan, I am, cause he has done
more for me than all the 25 years of ENT's and their remedies combined.

Good luck,
Brad
Tim - 10 Dec 2005 23:34 GMT
Thanks Brad.  I do the iriigations also.  Yeah, I think is food
allergies.  I read an article about a test named ELISA that can test
for 100 or more foods, but the srticle stated that it can be
unrealiable and expensive.  Maybe that is why Kaiser doesn't want to
test me for food allergies.
Murray Grossan - 11 Dec 2005 04:35 GMT
On 12/10/05 3:34 PM, in article
1134257674.096426.270660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "Tim"
<timwmarion@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks Brad.  I do the iriigations also.  Yeah, I think is food
> allergies.  I read an article about a test named ELISA that can test
> for 100 or more foods, but the srticle stated that it can be
> unrealiable and expensive.  Maybe that is why Kaiser doesn't want to
> test me for food allergies.

The best test for food allergies is to eliminate the suspected food for one
week. If you notice a difference, then take this suspected food in excess.
If then you really get a reaction you have proven your allergic to that
food.

Or you can keep some sort of food diary and record what symptoms develop.
Eventually some sort of pattern should show up.
Note: foods that you may be allergic to such as apples lose their allergy
properties when cooked, so during the test period stick to cooked stuff.

If you have Kaiser, you can get a consult with a dietician. That might be a
help.
sedum41 - 27 Dec 2005 20:30 GMT
Dr. Grossan you are exactly right about foods being cooked or not affecting
whether or not you are allergic to them. I am in fact allergic to raw
apples and apple juice (so it is difficult for me to drink bottled juice
as so many juice cocktails contain apple juice as one the ingredients).
When I eat raw apples or drink any juice with apple juice in it I get a
scratchy, sore throat or my throat feels like it is closing in. However I
am able to eat apple pie and apple crisp without a problem. This seemed
weird to me but it is true...
Murray Grossan - 28 Dec 2005 05:59 GMT
On 12/27/05 12:30 PM, in article
6bc3baac46a16210e0d6e28624ee5c73@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com, "sedum41"

> Dr. Grossan you are exactly right about foods being cooked or not affecting
> whether or not you are allergic to them. I am in fact allergic to raw
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> am able to eat apple pie and apple crisp without a problem. This seemed
> weird to me but it is true...

You and I must have the same DNA. I can't eat raw apples either but can eat
cooked of baked ones.
Susan - 28 Dec 2005 15:34 GMT
> On 12/27/05 12:30 PM, in article
> 6bc3baac46a16210e0d6e28624ee5c73@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com, "sedum41"
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> You and I must have the same DNA. I can't eat raw apples either but can eat
> cooked of baked ones.

It must alter the proteins or something.  I know someone with
mastocytosis (mast cell activation disorder) who can only eat them and a
few veggies if they're very overcooked.

Susan
Susan - 11 Dec 2005 15:18 GMT
> Thanks Brad.  I do the iriigations also.  Yeah, I think is food
> allergies.  I read an article about a test named ELISA that can test
> for 100 or more foods, but the srticle stated that it can be
> unrealiable and expensive.  Maybe that is why Kaiser doesn't want to
> test me for food allergies.

Years ago I had RAST (serum) testing.  It turned up my extraordinarily
high IGE, missed my many inhalant allergies, but very accurately
detected my food allergies, in the order of severity I'd listed them to
the doctors.

Susan
Murray Grossan - 11 Dec 2005 04:30 GMT
On 12/10/05 12:33 PM, in article
1134246808.952137.297700@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Brad"
<bradnwaxxspam@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I mix my own spray using the 1.5 fl oz plastic
> bottles from drug stores'
This is important. If you use prepared saline with benzalkonium that can be
the sole cause of your nose/sinus not clearing.
MS - 21 Dec 2005 11:50 GMT
> On 12/10/05 12:33 PM, in article
> 1134246808.952137.297700@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Brad"
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> This is important. If you use prepared saline with benzalkonium that can be
> the sole cause of your nose/sinus not clearing.

Possibly. But so could mixing your own, risking infecting yourself from
homemade non-preserved solution.
Murray Grossan - 22 Dec 2005 04:36 GMT
On 12/21/05 3:50 AM, in article okbqf.51834$Ht4.18873@trnddc08, "MS"
<ms@nospam.com> wrote:

> Possibly. But so could mixing your own, risking infecting yourself from
> homemade non-preserved solution
Its unfortunate you haven't read the newsgroup.
The instructions are to make your own and make it fresh once a week. That
way you can avoid the use of preservatives which MAY be irritating.

For example the breathe.ease powder can be made as a spray, use 1/4 tsp to
four ounces. You add one ounce to the spray bottle and refrigerate the
remaining 3 ounces, but change once a week.
Since you use two grams / month out of 190 gms, that's about 80 months
supply. Probably a saving?
On the other hand you can mix your own and save a bundle.

Sea salt is a FOOD and is not made for nasal irrigation. The contents vary
according to place of origin. Certain locations are a favorite of gourmet
cooks, since certain areas, based on the contents, give an excellent flavor
to foods.
MS - 27 Dec 2005 08:22 GMT
> On 12/21/05 3:50 AM, in article okbqf.51834$Ht4.18873@trnddc08, "MS"
> <ms@nospam.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> The instructions are to make your own and make it fresh once a week. That
> way you can avoid the use of preservatives which MAY be irritating.

I'm not so sure that mixing your own and letting it sit for a week avoids
contamination.

> For example the breathe.ease powder can be made as a spray, use 1/4 tsp to
> four ounces. You add one ounce to the spray bottle and refrigerate the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> cooks, since certain areas, based on the contents, give an excellent flavor
> to foods.

Is earth salt "made for nasal irrigation"? Isn't it also produced for the
intention of using on food? Is it different according to the salt mine
location?

You still have never presented the slightest iota of evidence about your
theory of earth vs. sea salt. Can you post a reference by a gourmet cook to
his recipe which requires sea salt from a certain region? Can you point to
an analysis of sea salt showing all those "extra contents"? Purified salt is
sodium chloride, whether its origin is from the sea or land.

You have implied before that sea salt is contaminated by fish feces and
other unsanitary matter. If that is the case, is that what gives the food an
"excellent flavor"?
MS - 21 Dec 2005 08:52 GMT
> Sorry, that is how I feel sometimes and no need to answer - totally
> rhetorical.

Actually, it's a very funny subject title--one could make a humorous book or
movie with that name. Don't apologize.

Of course, if being alive is the "cause", it stands to reason that death is
the "cure"--

In a sense that's true-- death is the only thing that will totally "cure"
one of all your ailments. ;-)

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