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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / December 2005Xylitol Spray vs. Saline
Just wondering how many have used this and whether it's helped? I tried it today but seem more stuffy afterwards - is this normal at first?! Is it true that this is better than using plain saline irrigation/spray? How long before symptoms usually subside using it? My main symptoms are post nasal drip, causing severe sore throat and earache, stuffiness, thick mucous, slight sinus pressure. Thanks! Jacki >Just wondering how many have used this and whether it's helped? I tried it >today but seem more stuffy afterwards - is this normal at first?! Is it >true that this is better than using plain saline irrigation/spray? How long >before symptoms usually subside using it? My main symptoms are post nasal >drip, causing severe sore throat and earache, stuffiness, thick mucous, >slight sinus pressure. We have had extended discussions on Xylitol in the past but nothing that convinced me that it had much value. Dr. Grossan does include Xylitol in one of his formulas but makes minimal claims for usefulness of the Xylitol, if I recall correctly. On 12/7/05 8:18 PM, in article jocfp1tgr3oc5sg5o0spcm9u8r3fq2nkfi@4ax.com, >> Just wondering how many have used this and whether it's helped? I tried it >> today but seem more stuffy afterwards - is this normal at first?! Is it [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Dr. Grossan does include Xylitol in one of his formulas but makes minimal > claims for usefulness of the Xylitol, if I recall correctly. If you must use it, buy the stuff by the pound. Its available on the net and at bakery supply shops. Speaking of absurd, I saw a 0ne and a half Saline nose spray today for 12 dollars ! Heavens how can they do that!!! You can make the stuff yourself, 1/4 tsp to four ounces. Oh, and the product has benzalkonium too! Shame! Know what the salesperson told me? People buy it because it is so expensive! If you must buy a prepared saline with benzalkonium at least get it from the 99 cents store. Barnum was right. > If you must use it, buy the stuff by the pound. Its available on the net and > at bakery supply shops. So do you recommend it, since it's in one of your products? Have you found it more helpful than plain saline sprays? I'm new to the xylitol idea, so just trying to find out more about it! Thanks, Jacki On 12/8/05 2:16 PM, in article BFBE1AE4.16071%gbarineauii100845@comcast.net, >> If you must use it, buy the stuff by the pound. Its available on the net and >> at bakery supply shops. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Jacki No one size fits all. I have not been seeing miraculous benefits but if you want to try it, at 3 dollars a pound for a t year's supply, the price is right. "Jack" <gbarineauii100845@comcast.net> wrote in message news:BFBE1AE4.16071% > So do you recommend it, since it's in one of your products? Have you found > it more helpful than plain saline sprays? I'm new to the xylitol idea, so [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jacki You can find all kinds of sales pitches on the Internet, telling you that some substance will provide a miracle cure for you. And some such sellers write to newsgroups like these, pretending they are a sufferer who just happened to "discover" that miraculous substance. I have tried the xylitol spray, and didn't find it one bit better than plain saline. The only difference is the taste--it is a type of sugar, so it makes the solution sweeter. It sure costs a lot more though. The placebo effect can work though. If you believe something will make you feel better, it's possible that the belief itself will actually make you feel better. On 12/7/05 9:26 PM, in article BFBD0405.2DA1%hydromed@adelphia.net, "Murray Grossan" <hydromed@adelphia.net> wrote: > If you must use it, buy the stuff by the pound. Its available on the net and > at bakery supply shops. I think the price is 3 dollars a pound. To make a 5% solution add two teaspoons to 100 cc of saline. To make a 10% add four teaspoons. Did anyone see Xylitol at a lower price / pound? He asked you, however, why you put it in your product, and even used the letters XL after the product name as a result? Have you found any definite benefit from including it in the formula? Or--does it have to do with the fact that a couple years ago a guy writing to this newsletter was heavily pushing xylitol, so you thought it might be a good selling point to add it to your formula, and add XL to the name? > On 12/7/05 9:26 PM, in article BFBD0405.2DA1%hydromed@adelphia.net, "Murray > Grossan" <hydromed@adelphia.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > teaspoons to 100 cc of saline. To make a 10% add four teaspoons. > Did anyone see Xylitol at a lower price / pound? On 12/17/05 6:48 PM, in article > He asked you, however, why you put it in your product, and even used the > letters XL after the product name as a result? Have you found any definite > benefit from including it in the formula Its a matter of osmotic pressure and the need to avoid preservatives. Its a substitute for the original glucose in the formula. > On 12/17/05 6:48 PM, in article > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Its a matter of osmotic pressure and the need to avoid preservatives. Its a > substitute for the original glucose in the formula. What is osmotic pressure? How does adding sugar to the formula add pressure? How does it "avoid preservatives"? Since your solution is dry, mostly salt and baking soda, there is no need for preservatives in any case. >>On 12/17/05 6:48 PM, in article >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > What is osmotic pressure? How does adding sugar to the formula add pressure? Osmotic pressure is a term of description of the effects of concentration of chemicals in solution. Like water pressure when unconstrained, causes water to flow to a lower pressure, chemicals in solution will tend to flow into areas of lower concentration. A simple example of this would be a hypertonic solution (one in which the water is at a lower concentration due to the extra salts) tends to reduce inflammation during a saline rinse since the water in the tissues flows out to equalize the concentrations and reduces the size of the extended, inflamed tissue. The saline rinse which has been shown to be most effective is a Ringer's solution which includes glucose. Ringer's is a simple solution with similar physical attributes to body fluid. Since bacteria can thrive on the glucose, substituting xylitol reduces the need for preservatives as well as improving the approximation of the Ringer's. > How does it "avoid preservatives"? Since your solution is dry, mostly salt > and baking soda, there is no need for preservatives in any case. Once you have mixed it, like for use in a nasal spray, it lasts longer without preservatives if it has xylitol rather than glucose. But in general you are correct that mixing your own chemicals for immediate use reduces the need for preservatives. On 12/20/05 10:57 PM, in article M17qf.771$0u5.528@trnddc01, "MS" <ms@nospam.com> wrote: > How does it "avoid preservatives"? Since your solution is dry, mostly salt > and baking soda, there is no need for preservatives in any case. ' On the contrary, if we used glucose we would get flies or worse.
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