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Shirley - 05 Dec 2005 20:55 GMT
Do many people have a problem with minor nasal bleeding when exposed to cold
air? Temp here was 24F this morning. Went, in the car, to the store and upon
arriving home I came indoors and thought my nose was running, grabbed a
kleenex and discovered blood.
Should I be concerned? Or is this something that others have a problem with
as well?
How do I handle this? I don't want to stay indoors all winter!
Thanks for any advice you can give me.

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Don Brady - 05 Dec 2005 22:09 GMT
>Do many people have a problem with minor nasal bleeding when exposed to cold
>air? Temp here was 24F this morning. Went, in the car, to the store and upon
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>How do I handle this? I don't want to stay indoors all winter!
>Thanks for any advice you can give me.

Actually it's the dryness indoors  that causes the problem.  It just shows up
when you restore humidity by going out.....
Shirley - 06 Dec 2005 02:04 GMT
>>Do many people have a problem with minor nasal bleeding when exposed to
>>cold
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> up
> when you restore humidity by going out.....

Humidity is fine indoors. Actually just installed a humidifier onto the
furnace...to save all the filling of the 2 portable ones I had previously.
To me, it appears that I have a lot of veins that are very close to the
surface, and some look like they'll rupture. I am seeing a dermatologist on
Friday & hope that he can help somehow. The ENT that I saw prescribed
Nasonex for allergy problems that I seem to have year round. I'm not using
the Nasonex as I fear it will only cause more bleeding.
Steven L. - 05 Dec 2005 22:34 GMT
> Do many people have a problem with minor nasal bleeding when exposed to cold
> air? Temp here was 24F this morning. Went, in the car, to the store and upon
> arriving home I came indoors and thought my nose was running, grabbed a
> kleenex and discovered blood.
> Should I be concerned? Or is this something that others have a problem with
> as well?

Heated air in the winter can be very drying.  My hands are so dry the
skin cracks and starts bleeding.  And I can feel the dryness inside my
nasal passages.

Try using a plain saline nasal spray to keep your nasal passages moist.
 Nasal irrigation works even better.

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Shirley - 06 Dec 2005 02:17 GMT
>> Do many people have a problem with minor nasal bleeding when exposed to
>> cold air? Temp here was 24F this morning. Went, in the car, to the store
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> Try using a plain saline nasal spray to keep your nasal passages moist.
> Nasal irrigation works even better.

I am rinsing with Hydra Sense, once daily at night. It does help to clear
the mucous. I'm just wondering if something other than Vaseline can be
applied to keep the nasal passages moist.
And, should I cover my nose when outdoors in the cold?
Never had a problem before last winter, when I developed a serious sinus
infection that caused nasal sores & plenty of bleeding. This scared the heck
out of me, so now I panic at the site of any blood.
You may recall my previous posts regarding the forced evacuation of our home
due to a neighbour's burning of treated & other assorted woods, having
specialists living in the house for 3 days doing air-quality testing
(finding arsenic, chromium, copper) and having to get a court injunction to
get him stopped.
If you're interested, the quickie site I put together is at:
http://shirleybrandie.ca/photos/
We had to completely disinfect our home, replace the furnace, ductwork, AC,
rip out all carpeting, toss out mattresses & pillows...the house was gutted
to the bare bones, and restored to the tune of about $60,000 Can. (Repairs &
lawyer fees, so far) Court date for pre-trial is next Sept, and final court
date is March of 2007. So, needless to say, aside from being in the poor
house, my nose has seen better days.
I know this is a long post, but I just don't want you all to think I am
worrying about nothing, and hope you will understand my fear.
Steven L. - 06 Dec 2005 16:14 GMT
>>>Do many people have a problem with minor nasal bleeding when exposed to
>>>cold air? Temp here was 24F this morning. Went, in the car, to the store
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> the mucous. I'm just wondering if something other than Vaseline can be
> applied to keep the nasal passages moist.

Once a night isn't enough to keep your nasal passages moist.  I do it
several times a day.  Try increasing the frequency of the nasal rinsing.

Also you might try a daily zinc supplement to promote healing.

Of course, if the bleeding is profuse and chronic, you should see a
physician.

> And, should I cover my nose when outdoors in the cold?
> Never had a problem before last winter, when I developed a serious sinus
> infection that caused nasal sores & plenty of bleeding. This scared the heck
> out of me, so now I panic at the site of any blood.

I don't recall if you said you were using steroid nasal sprays.  But
those can slow healing of trauma to the nasal mucosa; nosebleeds are a
frequent side effect.

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Shirley - 07 Dec 2005 02:15 GMT
>>>>Do many people have a problem with minor nasal bleeding when exposed to
>>>>cold air? Temp here was 24F this morning. Went, in the car, to the store
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> can slow healing of trauma to the nasal mucosa; nosebleeds are a frequent
> side effect.

Thanks, Steven,
I'll try doing the irrigation more often.
My ENT prescribed Nasonex, but I find it stings and I am afraid of causing
bleeding. I had some pretty deep nasal ulcers last winter along with the
dried and bleeding sores in my nose that seemed, to me, to be caused by my
very own nasal secretions...kind of bizarre, but I do think that's what it
was.
I wonder why, along with x-rays that they don't do a swab to see what
exactly is causing the problem?
Don Brady - 07 Dec 2005 03:00 GMT
>I'll try doing the irrigation more often.
>My ENT prescribed Nasonex, but I find it stings and I am afraid of causing
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>I wonder why, along with x-rays that they don't do a swab to see what
>exactly is causing the problem?

Dry indoor air, as has been said.  I know you said you humidify your home, but
humidity levels will still vary through the house........

Also if you use a lot of Kleenex, that will irritate the nose.
Murray Grossan - 07 Dec 2005 07:29 GMT
On 12/6/05 7:00 PM, in article sqjcp1hc6ls37p79mgskegk7ilnmqedu47@4ax.com,

>> I'll try doing the irrigation more often.
>> My ENT prescribed Nasonex, but I find it stings and I am afraid of causing
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Also if you use a lot of Kleenex, that will irritate the nose.
If you have nasal bleeding, cortisone sprays do tend to thin the nasal
memebranes and promote bleeding.
Best is a nasal get or ointment moisturizer. And drink liquids.
Breathe.ease nasal gel has the advantage of moisturizing at the cellular
level plus the applicator is intra-nasal so there is no waste.
Shirley - 08 Dec 2005 21:27 GMT
> On 12/6/05 7:00 PM, in article sqjcp1hc6ls37p79mgskegk7ilnmqedu47@4ax.com,
>
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> Breathe.ease nasal gel has the advantage of moisturizing at the cellular
> level plus the applicator is intra-nasal so there is no waste.

Thanks, Dr. Grossan,
Can you tell me where I can buy the Breathe.ease nasal gel in Canada? I'd
like to give that a try.
Steven L. - 07 Dec 2005 15:16 GMT
>>>>>Do many people have a problem with minor nasal bleeding when exposed to
>>>>>cold air? Temp here was 24F this morning. Went, in the car, to the store
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> My ENT prescribed Nasonex, but I find it stings and I am afraid of causing
> bleeding.

If you already are prone to nosebleeds, steroid nasal sprays can retard
healing and prolong the bleeding.

You should contact your physician and let him know what is going on.  He
may reduce the dose of Nasonex or maybe stop it long enough to allow
your nosebleeds to heal.

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Shirley - 08 Dec 2005 21:29 GMT
>>>>>>Do many people have a problem with minor nasal bleeding when exposed
>>>>>>to cold air? Temp here was 24F this morning. Went, in the car, to the
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> may reduce the dose of Nasonex or maybe stop it long enough to allow your
> nosebleeds to heal.

Hi, Steven,
My ENT is out of the country until January. I have stopped using the Nasonex
as I have a feeling that if I continue to use it I will be in worse shape.
I will also pick up some Zinc tablets as you advise.
Thanks for your responses to my posts.
Murray Grossan - 06 Dec 2005 17:35 GMT
On 12/5/05 12:55 PM, in article sP1lf.588$PX2.113279@news20.bellglobal.com,

> Do many people have a problem with minor nasal bleeding when exposed to cold
> air? Temp here was 24F this morning. Went, in the car, to the store and upon
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> How do I handle this? I don't want to stay indoors all winter!
> Thanks for any advice you can give me.
Nosebleed in winter is due to the extreme dryness plus the vasoconstriction
caused by the cold. The answer is moisturizing nasal gel.and moisture in
your bedroom.
Shirley - 06 Dec 2005 21:59 GMT
> On 12/5/05 12:55 PM, in article
> sP1lf.588$PX2.113279@news20.bellglobal.com,
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> caused by the cold. The answer is moisturizing nasal gel.and moisture in
> your bedroom.

Thanks, Dr. Grossan,
I guess after the bad infection with bleeding that I had last winter, I am
panicked. So, I can assume that this is a normal, so to speak, occurrence?
I worry as the bleeding (minor) happened again this morning and I hadn't
even stuck my nose out the door.
mmknott - 08 Dec 2005 19:05 GMT
Look at www.stopnosebleeds.com
Michael
 
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