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afdr9lk - 28 Sep 2005 01:46 GMT
I'd like to hear comments on this one...

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=13333
Don Brady - 28 Sep 2005 02:50 GMT
>I'd like to hear comments on this one...
>
>http://www.news-medical.net/?id=13333

Bolger used to be at U. Penn and has often done surgery with Dr. Kennedy.  I
think he helped Dr. Keneedy with my surgery.

Anything he does is going to be fine if he does it himself.   I would let him
do it, but not someone else who is inexperienced with the ballon technique.
until it is better proven.

He is one of the owners of Acclarant.

Also if the doctors at U. Penn (especially David  ennedy) have not picked up on
it, there may be a reason why.
afdr9lk - 28 Sep 2005 02:59 GMT
>> I'd like to hear comments on this one...
>>
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> Also if the doctors at U. Penn (especially David  ennedy) have not picked up on
> it, there may be a reason why.

I don't understand it.  What do they do, just expand the balloon then
remove it?  What keeps the tissue from moving right back when the
balloon is removed?
Don Brady - 28 Sep 2005 03:43 GMT
>I don't understand it.  What do they do, just expand the balloon then
>remove it?  

I think so.

>Wat keeps the tissue from moving right back when the
>balloon is removed?

Maybe it does move back - perhaps someone else knows.   At least it allows
momentary drainage, whcih is all they seem to refer to.

There have been other appraoches along this line too (e.g the Yakik catheter
http://app.american-rhinologic.org/programs/ARS-Fall-2001-program.pdf

If all it is for is to allow momentary drainage, it may not really amount to
much  Irrigation might be as effective in most cases.....
tsr3 - 28 Sep 2005 04:33 GMT
I can't understand why the sinus doesn't close back up after the
balloon is removed.  Do they put a stent in the sinus to keep it open
(like what they do for heart patients)?--r3
Don Brady - 28 Sep 2005 07:35 GMT
>I can't understand why the sinus doesn't close back up after the
>balloon is removed.  

It probably does.

They say that the procedure is to allow *drainage" of infected fluid (preumably
on a one-time basis)..    Maybe once that occurs, the ostia will open up on
their own.

It doesn;t say anything about long-term results.

>Do they put a stent in the sinus to keep it open
>(like what they do for heart patients)?--r3
Steven L. - 29 Sep 2005 21:53 GMT
>>I don't understand it.  What do they do, just expand the balloon then
>>remove it?  
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> Maybe it does move back - perhaps someone else knows.   At least it allows
> momentary drainage, whcih is all they seem to refer to.

I had an infected pus-filled mucocele in an ethmoid sinus.  The sinus
itself wasn't blocked but the mucocele contained pus and had to be removed.

This procedure doesn't sound like it would have done anything for me.

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MS - 29 Sep 2005 06:01 GMT
> >I'd like to hear comments on this one...
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> do it, but not someone else who is inexperienced with the ballon technique.
> until it is better proven.

I wouldn't let anyone do it to me now. Too new. Probably no insurance covers
it yet either.

> He is one of the owners of Acclarant.

I'm a little concerned about that, doctors having financial interests in a
certain procedure or product. (Same with Dr. Vaughan, a very prominent ENT,
head of the department at Stanford.) If a doctor has a financial interest in
equipment for a particular procedure--if he recommends to his patients that
they have that procedure, his opinion cannot be taken objectively, as it
should be taken, because he has a financial interest in promoting that
procedure. (Not just the money he would make from performing it as a doctor,
which of course is always the case, but a financial stake in promoting that
particular procedure.) Also, if he recommends that procedure to other
doctors at professional conventions, etc., no one would know how they should
take his recommendation, or the results of his research, since he is part
owner of the corporation making the equipment for that procedure. There will
always be some suspicion of his motives in recommending it, of the research
results, etc.

I would suggest that physicians find other ways to invest their money, so as
not to create a perceived (or real) conflict of interest in their promotion
of a particular procedure. So I find this trend, of doctors investing in
products in their own specialty, to be rather troubling, as it could erode
patients confidence in doctor's treatment recommendations. (I believe I have
also seen Dr. Vaughan's name associated with SinuNeb.)

> Also if the doctors at U. Penn (especially David  ennedy) have not picked up on
> it, there may be a reason why.

Well. there's an obvious reason to that--it's still very new. No doctor can
be on top of every new experiment or procedure. If it proves with time to be
successful and valuable, he would quite likely "pick up on it" in the
future.
MS - 29 Sep 2005 06:26 GMT
Don Brady wrote:

> > He is one of the owners of Acclarant.

> I'm a little concerned about that, doctors having financial interests in a
> certain procedure or product. (Same with Dr. Vaughan, a very prominent ENT,
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> patients confidence in doctor's treatment recommendations. (I believe I have
> also seen Dr. Vaughan's name associated with SinuNeb.)

I'll take that (partially) back. I guess I was following up on Don's
comment. I just looked at the Acclarant web site. Neither Dr. Bolger nor Dr.
Vaughan are listed under "Board of Directors" or "Management Team". (Where
did you get that Dr. Bolger was one of the "owners" of Acclarant, Don?) (Of
course they could quite possibly own stock in it, which we don't know
about.) They are however, both listed under "Scientific Advisory Board".
That isn't really the same as being an "owner". It could be a gray area
though. Of course the company would like experts in the field to be
advisors. If they pay those doctors to be on that board, however, that in
itself creates a conflict of interest, whether real or only perceived. (I
don't really know how such boards work though.) (Money can certainly be a
corrupting influence, as it is in politics. Politicians are wined and dined
by lobbyists, given all kinds of expensive gifts, of course the corporations
want something in return for these expenditures. If something similar is
occurring in medicine, that is more troubling. (No one trusts politicians
anyhow. But if one cannot trust one's doctor, with the suspicion he or she
might be making a recommendation based on a financial stake in a product,
that is rather scary. Or similarly, if doctors cannot trust each other's
recommendations and research at professional gatherings, in literature,
etc., due to suspicion that the recommendation is being made for financial
reasons, that also could be very damaging to the whole field of medicine.) I
think doctors should be very careful about that, to avoid anything that
could possibly even give anyone the slightest suspicion of a financial stake
in recommending something.
Don Brady - 29 Sep 2005 07:06 GMT
>I'll take that (partially) back. I guess I was following up on Don's
>comment. I just looked at the Acclarant web site. Neither Dr. Bolger nor Dr.
>Vaughan are listed under "Board of Directors" or "Management Team". (Where
>did you get that Dr. Bolger was one of the "owners" of Acclarant, Don?)

"The following faculty/presenters have indicated these
disclosures:
William Bolger, MD - The authors serve as
members of the Scientific Advisory Board for and
have an equity holding in Acclarent Inc., the
company that developed the devices studied and
reported in the presentation."
http://app.american-rhinologic.org/programs/2005ARSAnnualProgram080905.pdf
MS - 29 Sep 2005 10:09 GMT
> >I'll take that (partially) back. I guess I was following up on Don's
> >comment. I just looked at the Acclarant web site. Neither Dr. Bolger nor Dr.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> reported in the presentation."
> http://app.american-rhinologic.org/programs/2005ARSAnnualProgram080905.pdf

OK. The web site says he is on the advisory board, but this also says he has
an equity holding. (Of course, that could mean just a few shares of stock,
or he could own a major chunk of the company.)

Good at least that this was disclosed at the presentation, so the medical
professionals at the conference would know he had a financial stake in
promoting the product. I wouldn't be surprised if this sometimes happens
without such a disclosure.

In any case, I think this is a troubling trend, all too common these days. I
think doctors should find other ways to invest their money, than in products
that they recommend for use in their specialty. Even though a doctor might
be completely sincere in recommending that product and procedure, a
financial stake in that product creates a cloud over that recommendation,
and makes it look like less than a totally objective medical opinion. (And
such a financial stake could even unconsciously affect a doctor's
recommendation for that product, even if consciously he thinks it has no
effect on his statements.)
Alison Chaiken - 30 Sep 2005 05:24 GMT
> The web site says he is on the advisory board, but this also says he
> has an equity holding. (Of course, that could mean just a few shares
> of stock, or he could own a major chunk of the company.)
[ . . .]
> In any case, I think this is a troubling trend, all too common these
> days. I think doctors should find other ways to invest their money,
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> product creates a cloud over that recommendation, and makes it look
> like less than a totally objective medical opinion.

In most of the cases you're referring to, some of the doctors will
likely be the inventors of the technology and hold the patents.  In
that case they will have an interest in the success of the new method
even if they hold no equity in the company that markets it.  You might
not like this system, but who besides doctors would develop new
medical technologies?  And doesn't allowing inventors to profit from
their creations encourage innovation?

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MS - 29 Sep 2005 05:48 GMT
> I'd like to hear comments on this one...
>
> http://www.news-medical.net/?id=13333

Looks interesting. Of course still very new and untested. It might take
years before we know more about it.

I'm not sure whether it is supposed to replace surgery, in some cases
perhaps an adjunct to surgery, or whether it is considered a type of surgery
itself. (If "no tissue is removed", it couldn't be considered "surgery",
could it?)

I doubt it could completely replace surgery for all patients being
considered for surgery, as some might need actual surgery. But if it helps
some who might otherwise need surgery to recover without it, that would be
great. I think most of us who have had sinus surgery see that it is
certainly no panacea, that it can have negative effects as well.

In my case, for instance, after having had a couple of sinus surgeries
(actually, I think 4, but the first two were only turbinates, the 3rd and
4th sinus, turbinate, and septum), there is certainly not the same kind of
blockage I would get before, where sometimes I could not breathe through my
nose at all, as it felt as if it was sewn shut. (When in that condition, the
only thing that would help at all was Afrin.) After the surgeries, that has
improved. However, my rhinitis, which has always been bad, is now worse than
it has ever been-always filled with huge quantities of extremely thick
mucus. (Anyone else noticed that mucus production has been worse since
surgery?) (And, as mentioned in another thread, the septoplasty that was
performed in my third surgery created a septal perforation!)

It's not at all clear whether there is any permanence in the effects of this
balloon procedure, or whether the cited results are temporary. Time will
tell. It will probably take several years before we know more about it,
before it becomes more widespread, etc.
Steven L. - 29 Sep 2005 21:50 GMT
> I'd like to hear comments on this one...
>
> http://www.news-medical.net/?id=13333

From the description, it sounds like it would *NEVER* have worked for me.

I had a pus-filled mucocele that had to be removed.

The pus was inside the mucocele, which in turn was inside the sinus
cavity.

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