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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / September 2005Hydrogen Peroxide has cured my chronic sinus infection problems.
Ever want to pour something into your nose to stop Chronic Nasal Infections? After I suffered with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for decades, I experimented with flooding my nasal passages with an anti-infective mixture that could kill germs and infection, without killing me. I found a safe way, for me, to keep my forehead pointed down, for a few minutes, with my nasal passages flooded with a mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. Sinus flooding not only killed my sinus infection, but also has kept me infection free, without having to use antibiotics. . I have now been sinus infection free for over 3 years. I think that my chronic infection problems were associated with my turbinates, so the anti-infective mixture worked very well, for me, since the infected areas were fairly easy to reach. . Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown . . "If you save one life, it is as though you save the entire world" Just curious CanDo. How many do think this has helped so far? David Sacramento, CA > Just curious CanDo. How many do think this has helped so far? > > David > Sacramento, CA Helped me. Susan > Just curious CanDo. How many do think this has helped so far? > > David > Sacramento, CA I have no idea. When I was more active on the various forums, I received more feedback. From that feedback (over a period of about two years) I had figured that about 50 people had been helped either partially or totally by the peroxide flooding. I have no idea how many people have been helped by it, but they just don't provide feedback. But I would be willing to guess that there are more people who were helped, by the peroxide flooding, who don't provide feedback. I think that most people don't like, or don't know, how to post on the Internet. Some of the results that others have experienced have been so dramatic, with an elimination of several nasty health problems, that the sinus flooding with peroxide has given them a second chance at living a normal life. From the feedback, I learned about health problems that are related to chronic sinus infections that I didn't know before. I've also been able to make major changes to the documentation based on the feedback that I've received. David, thanks for asking. Can I just ask - as someone who's seen this post come up several times since I subscribed to this newsgroup, can this do me any harm? I'd like to give it a go to see if it helps. Thanks TJ > Can I just ask - as someone who's seen this post come up several times since > I subscribed to this newsgroup, can this do me any harm? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > TJ That was my question, too, so I researched it a bit, asked a question or two, and decided to try a capful of 3% hydrogen peroxide in 2 cups of warm saline in my irrigator. Best results I've had in years. I've found that it doesn't have to sting or hurt for it to be effective in my case. Susan > Can I just ask - as someone who's seen this post come up several times since > I subscribed to this newsgroup, can this do me any harm? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > TJ I am not a health professional, and I have no idea about your individual sinus problems, so I can't really say whether it will help you or harm you. That is why the documentation states that you should check with your doctor before trying a peroxide sinus flooding. You might also read through the documentation at: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown The documentation details my own personal experience with doing the peroxide sinus flooding, what I have learned from others who have tried it, and it contains cautions about the dangers of getting fluid into the Eustachian Tubes and into the middle ear. I wish you luck in solving your sinus problems. Thank you. Is there somewhere I can buy a small spray bottle to administer the mixture? I have searched but 'spray bottle' unsuprisingly yields a very broad return on google. The little bottles I use here in the UK (a salt/water mixture from health shops) is impossible to break into or use because the lid is held on extremely tightly with a circular metal rim. I cannot remove it. I'm happy to order from the US if someone knows of a place to buy these. Also - how do you know when is 'enough' mixture to be effective, or is it trial and error? Many Thanks > Thank you. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Many Thanks Try NeilMed.com for a sinus irrigation bottle or use the search term "atomizer" maybe? For me, one capful in two cups of saline is enough, more than that stings a lot. Susan > Thank you. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > held on extremely tightly with a circular metal rim. I cannot remove it. I'm > happy to order from the US if someone knows of a place to buy these. Have you tried "nasal spray"? I wonder why the UK uses a metal rim? Probably some kind of bureaucratic overkill. > Also - how do you know when is 'enough' mixture to be effective, or is it > trial and error? > > Many Thanks The purpose of filling the nasal passages with peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt is in the hopes of killing the germs in there. If there is a significant infection within the nasal passages or within the sinus cavities, the best that can be hope for, is that the sinus flooding or irrigation, with peroxide, will kill a lot of germs and hopefully improve some symptoms, but probably not stop the infection. The sinus flooding works best if used after treatment with antibiotics, to prevent re-infection. I discuss this in the documentation. Also, when I do a sinus flooding, I am very careful not to get any fluid in my Eustachian Tubes. I discuss this in the documentation. When I spray the anti-infective mixture into my sinuses, I keep forcefully spraying until the sprayer is empty. Sometimes the mixture comes out of my other nostril. The sprayer contains about 2.5 ounces of mixture. I want to flood my nasal area in the hopes that it can get to the germs and kill them, and to keep them from causing a re-infection of any open sores or wounds within my nasal areas. It took me about seven months of infrequent sinus flooding until my nasal areas were healed enough so they wouldn't re-infect. I seldom do sinus floodings anymore. Some people are very sensitive to peroxide and it burns quite a bit. In the documentation I suggest using a more diluted mix to those who are more sensitive. From the feedback I have received, women seem to be more sensitive to the peroxide stinging, so I suggest that women start with a more diluted mixture. To read the full documentation about peroxide sinus flooding: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown I know you get tired of questions about sinus flooding, but I was curious ( although its none of my business) who introduced you to it. I mentioned it my my ENT surgeon who is reasonably reputable because he is also a professor in the College of Medicine at U.C. When I mentioned it, he had an intern in room with him. I brought it up, he listened, then looked at his intern with the clear expression ' that's a possibility'! He never mentioned it again. Given the people you have obviously dealt with, have any ever suggested what kind of a medical response they got from their specialists. It puzzles me(but doesnt surprise me) that specialists would ignore a treatment that has shown some degree of help, but falls outside the standard course of treatment they were taught. I have an area of scarred tissue that despite 3 surgeries to increase drainage, widen sinus tissues, and bombarded with antiobiotics for 7 yrs. continues to be a source of staph(even ecoli) --- you are willing to try anything, but deep inside you want a physician to passively say its not going to kill you --and you dont get it. Had anybody reported any doctors responce at suggestion of trying it, or response when the specialist obviously saw improvement. Please reply anyway you see fit(thom5537@hotmail.com) Anxious for your response. She paid $422 to have nasal cavities cleaned >I know you get tired of questions about sinus flooding, but I was >curious ( although its none of my business) who introduced you to it. I [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Anxious for your response. She paid $422 to have nasal cavities cleaned The thing is, they see at as self-surgery, so they are not very likely to approve your doing it yourself. They could be liable for any advice that does not conform to recognized standards. There are surgical procedures that are similar to this (introducing caustic materials into the sinuses) but they are used to thinking of a doctor's doing it, not the patient. Even then it is controversial, since conventional wisdom is that the sinsues will heal themselves once adequate airflow and drainage is restored. On 9/18/05 5:29 PM, in article v61si1dp4jvavgk6a917l1htntt5781234@4ax.com, > The thing is, they see at as self-surgery, so they are not very likely to > approve your doing it yourself. They could be liable for any advice that > does > not conform to recognized standards. And what would YOU think of a doctor who recommended a drug or procedure to you that he had no experience with, no knowledge about, no literature to consult , no evidence that it was SAFE . Is this the doctor you want? > I know you get tired of questions about sinus flooding, but I was > curious ( although its none of my business) who introduced you to it. . I've been using peroxide on cuts and scraps for years to prevent infection. I've also gargled with it at any sign of gum irritation or swelling. I've also used it combined with baking soda on insect bites to prevent swelling and blistering. It is great stuff. I was having repeated sinus infections every year. I experimented with using a q-tip, with peroxide, to introduce peroxide into my nose. It seemed to help a little. So...... I did some research on the Internet to see if peroxide was harmful or dangerous if used in the sinuses or nasal passages. I couldn't find any negatives on the Internet, but I did find some articles and posts that recommended using peroxide in the nasal areas/sinuses. I've got heart failure among other heart diseases and health problems. For me, every time I got a sinus infection, there was a fear that the infection could spread to my already weakened heart. About five years ago, I had just finished another round of antibiotics for another damn sinus infection, and I felt that I was getting another sinus infection. Out of frustration and desperation, I placed my head downwards and flooded my nasal passages with "diluted" 3% hydrogen peroxide. It worked. I haven't had another sinus infection since, and I seldom do sinus floodings anymore. The use of sinus flooding with peroxide/baking soda and kosher salt seems to have healed the damage within my nasal passages caused by previous infection. > I > mentioned it my my ENT surgeon who is reasonably reputable because he > is also a professor in the College of Medicine at U.C. > When I mentioned it, he had an intern in room with him. I brought it > up, he listened, then looked at his intern with the clear expression ' > that's a possibility'! He never mentioned it again. This is not a surprise. There is very little information on the use of peroxide in the nasal passages or sinuses. . > Given the people you have obviously dealt with, have any ever suggested > what kind of a medical response they got from their specialists. Most health professionals seem to be against it. However...... I've gotten some feedback from sinus sufferers who posted that their ENT said that it was a good idea. . > It > puzzles me(but doesnt surprise me) that specialists would ignore a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Anxious for your response. She paid $422 to have nasal cavities cleaned I've had feedback from someone who said that their ENT was amazed at the improved condition of the patient's nasal passages. Here are four links which have a lot of the feedback that I've received. http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139765 http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=129210 http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=124803 http://www.curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=123&t=35112 The most up-to-date version of the documentation for the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding" is at http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown The other forums have outdated and somewhat incorrect versions of the documentation. When you get a cut, what do you do? You clean the wound and place some type of antiseptic or anti-infective, like peroxide, on it to keep it from infecting. If you have an injury and it doesn't heal completely, after you stop using peroxide on it, or some other type of anti-infective, that wound will just re-infect, right? What if that wound is in your nasal passages or sinuses? What happens to a wound or injury, caused by a sinus infection, if that wound is not totally healed after a round of antibiotics? The wound will re-infect and the patient will suffer another sinus infection. I don't think that flooding the sinuses with peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt will get rid of most "reachable" sinus infections, but it will kill harmful germs. The value of flooding the sinuses with the peroxide mixture, or any other suitable anti-infective, is to protect the open wounds within the sinuses (by killing active, harmful germs) so that those wounds do not re-infect. After I started using peroxide in my sinuses, my sinus discharge was still thick and yellow/green. I felt better but the sinus discharge was not clear and thin. I was puzzled. I kept doing the sinus floodings because I felt that my sinuses were still infected, although I was feeling much better. Over a period of about seven months, my sinus discharge slowly improved. At the end of seven months my sinus discharge was clear and thin and I seldom had to blow my nose at all. My theory is that it took my sinuses/nasal areas about seven months to heal. The infrequent sinus floodings kept germs away from those injured areas. The sinuses/nasal passages are moist and warm and probably take a long time to heal. After a round of antibiotics, the sinus infection might be gone, but the sinuses/nasal areas have been damaged by infection, and they will surely re-infect unless harmful germs are kept away from the injured areas until they heal. If your sinuses/nasal areas are damaged and those areas continue to be a source of staph(even ecoli) --- then you've got to find a way to keep those germs away from the injured areas, or kill those germs, until the injured areas are healed. The sinus flooding only works at killing germs and keeping germs away from injured sinus areas, if the flooding can get to the injured areas. If the chronic sinus infection problem is in the Maxillary sinuses, or some other hard to reach area, I doubt if the sinus flooding can be totally successful, except to keep the sinus infection from spreading to other areas. I hope I have properly answered your questions. If not, feel free to ask again. Regards, and best of luck to you. |
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