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Could there be a significant link between dehydration and sinus problems?

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CJ - 31 Jul 2005 04:21 GMT
Could there be a significant link between dehydration and sinus problems?

About 3 months ago I saw an alternative doctor for a completely different
reason than the sinus stuffiness that I continued to experience. During the
course of the exam, the doctor determined that I was dehydrated even though
I consistently drink about ½ to 1 gallon of water daily. He explained that
despite the quantity of my water intake that I was not retaining the water.
He further explained that there is good salt and bad salt and suggested that
I begin taking ¼ teaspoon daily of Celtic Sea Salt (Light Grey) . (Note: I
have no vested interest or connection to this product, directly or
indirectly). After several days of using this salt, I began to notice a
dramatic improvement in the sinus area . there seemed to be much less
stuffiness during the daytime and at nighttime. I thought this dramatic
improvement to be curious and, before sharing my experience, I waited to
discern if this improvement was most likely due to using Celtic Sea Salt.
The product can be bought at a health food store and cost only about $4.00.
While this additional improvement could be due to other reasons (see below),
I personally have come to believe it is due solely to the Celtic Sea Salt;
therefore, I thought that others might find this simple product worth trying
and helpful.

Instructions:
If you decide to try this Celtic Sea Salt, daily and in the morning, put a ¼
(to ½ teaspoon) in water (it is a very coarse salt) and stir it until
dissolved. I drink this mixture and follow with additional water. It's a
very light tasting salt, unlike table salt. The product I received at the
doctor's office comes in a plastic, resealable bag.

Package Description:
"Celtic Sea Salt / Light Grey"
The Original Brand / ½ lb (227g) / Vital Minerals and Exquisite Taste /
Hand-harvested / Sun Dried / Whole Salt / Quality Certified / Spirited
Flavor / Kosher Certified / Product of France
The Grain & Salt Society / www.celtic-seasalt.com (web page to see a picture
of the package)

Other successful sinus methods I use:
About a year ago I began using the "upside down sinus flooding" method using
Xlear (a nasal rinse product that I had on hand at the time), and using this
method has completely eliminated a constant vibration that had been
occurring for several years in my sinuses and that an ENT doctor was
unsuccessful in treating. At first, I used this flooding method about 2x a
month for about three months and then the maintenance use has decreased over
time to about once every two months (shortly after using the flooding
method, the vibration in the sinus area was completely eliminated and has
never returned). I also use Yoga breathing exercises to help with the
feeling of stuffiness, but I am fairly certain that neither of these methods
were the reason for the additional, dramatic improvement I had when I began
using the Celtic Sea Salt.

Good luck . and feel free to write me at my e-mail address also if you have
any other questions.

CJ
Don Brady - 31 Jul 2005 05:51 GMT
>Could there be a significant link between dehydration and sinus problems?
>
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>improvement to be curious and, before sharing my experience, I waited to
>discern if this improvement was most likely due to using Celtic Sea Salt.

Americans have a vast excess of sodium in their diet and adding more is not
orodinarily going to help keep them hydrated.  

http://www.2-life.com/cssanalysis.htm shows that 1/4 teaspoon contains 460 mg.
of sodium.   That is quite a load to add on top of the already vast excess of
sodium in our diets, which contributes to hypertension

I suppose that in a few people, adding sodium will increase blood volume and
conceivably get more blood to the head, but adding sodium is not a safe method
to do it in my opinion.

If you got a benefit from adding some kinds of salt, it may be because of the
iodine content stimulating your thyroid if you are already borderline
hypothyroid.   (You might want to check - have your doctor measure your TSH
level and get a numeric value from him - not jsut a conclusion).  However, it
does not *appear* that "Celtic Seal Salt" contains much iodine.
Steven L. - 31 Jul 2005 14:30 GMT
> Could there be a significant link between dehydration and sinus problems?
>
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> despite the quantity of my water intake that I was not retaining the water.
> He further explained that there is good salt and bad salt....

Table salt, sea salt, Kosher salt, is all the same stuff:  99% sodium
chloride.

> and suggested that
> I begin taking ¼ teaspoon daily of Celtic Sea Salt (Light Grey) .

All you're doing is adding another 500 mg of sodium to your diet.

A simple test for dehydration is to check the color of your urine in the
absence of chemicals that might tint it artificially (like vitamin B
pills).  Urine should be a pale straw color, not deep yellow or orange.
 The darker the urine, the more likely you're dehydrated.

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Murray Grossan - 31 Jul 2005 16:59 GMT
On 7/31/05 6:30 AM, in article
Tn4He.86$I04.48@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net, "Steven L."
<sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:

> Table salt, sea salt, Kosher salt, is all the same stuff:  99% sodium
> chloride.

No Sea salt is evaporated sea water and contains various complexes including
fish excreta. Depending on where the sea water is evaporated from.

It is interesting that the same person that wouldn¹t put anything like that
- unknown, untested, unproven, - into his automobile is willing to put it
into his body.

Table salt has iodine and various anti caking products to prevent caking.

Kosher or pickling salt doesn't have the iodine and anticaking products
added.

I agree with the previous writer's concern about ADDING salt to the daily
intake. Every medical advisory recommends reducing salt intake.

Re the added iodine, this has had a  positive effect on the health of the
world
Don Brady - 31 Jul 2005 18:28 GMT
>Re the added iodine, this has had a  positive effect on the health of the
>world

.by preventing hyperthyroidism (goiter) in areas of the world where the soil is
deficient in iodine, true enough.

But now in developed areas we have a large excess of iodine in our diet from
prepared foods, and as a result we may be causing more cases of hypothyroidism
(in susceptible individuals)  than preventing cases of hyperthyroidism.  

Witness the rise in the incidence of Hashimoto's disease.
Shirley Thebaglady - 01 Aug 2005 12:14 GMT
I am allergic to iodine and shell fish. I have a nodule on my thyroid
gland, it has been there for a long time like 20 years.

I have had a biopsy of the nodule, no fluid in it, but my
Endocrinologist checks it once a year anyway.

shirley
Don Brady - 01 Aug 2005 17:04 GMT
>I am allergic to iodine and shell fish. I have a nodule on my thyroid
>gland, it has been there for a long time like 20 years.

Right - that  would be the likely cause of your sensitivity to iodine.

>I have had a biopsy of the nodule, no fluid in it, but my
>Endocrinologist checks it once a year anyway.
>
>shirley
MS - 04 Aug 2005 04:40 GMT
> On 7/31/05 6:30 AM, in article

> No Sea salt is evaporated sea water and contains various complexes including
> fish excreta. Depending on where the sea water is evaporated from.
>
> It is interesting that the same person that wouldn¹t put anything like that
> - unknown, untested, unproven, - into his automobile is willing to put it
> into his body.

I agree that the OP's post about imbibing extra salt is probably not a good
idea, sea salt or otherwise.

Regarding your statement above, concerning how impure sea salt is, I believe
I asked you before where you got this from, and don't think (unless I am
recalling incorrectly) there was a clear answer.

Can you cite any scientific analyses showing that sea salt is less pure than
earth salt? URLs, please.

There are a lot of contaminants in the earth, where the earth salt comes
from, no less than in the sea. That includes excreta of worms, insects,
mice, and all types of animals. Of course the salt that comes to the market
for sale has been purified, to remove contaminants. I'm sure that for both
land and sea salt, there is some type of purification process to remove
impurities and contaminants. One purification company might do that better
than another. It is possible (I don't know, just a guess) that if there are
more stringent purification standards for Kosher salt, that it might be more
pure than non-Kosher salt. (I don't know what makes one salt "Kosher".) But
I don't see why there would be any difference between land and sea salt per
se, concerning purity.

I don't believe the malarkey that sea salt is somehow "healthier" than land
salt. Even more so a claim like in the OP about the "Magic Celtic Sea Salt".
(I believe the poster when he says he has no interest in selling that salt
product, but I wouldn't be surprised if the "doctor" who told him to use it
does.) Salt is sodium chloride, doesn't matter if from land or sea. If you
have actually read scientific analyses showing that land salt is purer than
sea salt, what percentage of contaminant was found in each, etc., please
tell us about the studies.

As you mention, the standard table salt for sale in most supermarkets has
other ingredients added to it, to prevent caking. That could well be a
factor in deciding which kind of salt to get, to  avoid salt with such extra
ingredients added. Most frequently the sea salt in health food stores
(including in bulk, fairly inexpensive) has no such additives. Also, I think
kosher salt doesn't have additives. (Perhaps I just answered my own prior
question about what makes salt kosher-by not having additives. Not sure
about that though.)
CJ - 04 Aug 2005 19:40 GMT
This is an "update" to the responses to my original post on "Could there be
a significant link between dehydration and sinus problems."

While the responding posts are informative and certainly do raise some valid
concerns about some people adding more salt to a daily diet, it might be
helpful to add that the doctor I saw is an M.D. and extremely knowledgeable.
I only posted the information because of the dramatic and continued
improvement I've personally experienced by adding the Celtic Sea Salt, and I
have certainly spent a whole lot more money than $4.00 trying to find relief
over the years .. and used prescription and non-prescription products that
could cause a lot more side-effects than adding a bit more salt to my diet
... so, it is my thought that some in this newsgroup just might wish to give
this method a try to see if they find it helps them.

It's the dramatic improvement in stuffiness that I have experienced that
caused me to question if there could be a connection between dyhydration and
many of the sinus problems that people who post here experience. (A lot of
people in this newsgroup seem to hydrate the sinus area using different
methods to inject water/saline solutions up and into the sinus area that
provides relief, so, it seems just as plausible that hydration from inside
would be just as, if not more helpful.)

This newsgroup is constantly questioning why ENT's do not seem able to help
many of the sinus sufferers who post here ... I, along with others in this
newsgroup, have only gotten relief by trying different methods ... the
family doctor and ENT and allergist I had seen over the years were totally
unable to provide any permanent help or relief, yet, the couple of methods I
cited in the original post have been of enormous and permanent help. I can
now add that the use of the Celtic Sea Salt continues to amaze me in how
much I've improved in the area of stuffiness. And, yes, it's probably true
that not everyone who would try a method would benefit in the same manner,
but it just might be beneficial to some people. The doctor had quickly
explained that there is good salt and bad salt (table salt), but it is
possible that for some people adding this bit more salt to their daily diet
might be an issue; therefore, it would probably be advisable to check with a
doctor for such people. But, again, it's been my experience that most
doctors don't understand the mechanism of sinus problems or how something so
simple as a special type of salt could be of benefit.

So, in the end, the question remains if many who suffer with sinus problems
are in fact experiencing dehydration or a form of dehydration that is
negatively impacting their sinuses and, maybe, just maybe, it is one piece
to a complex puzzle concerning the many and varied sinus difficulties. I
certainly have no definitive answer, but the few methods I've tried on my
own have certainly resulted in unexpected relief.

CJ

> Could there be a significant link between dehydration and sinus problems?
>
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>
> CJ
Don Brady - 04 Aug 2005 22:56 GMT
>This is an "update" to the responses to my original post on "Could there be
>a significant link between dehydration and sinus problems."
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>
>.............

Well that's great that you found some reliefy.

But what is the link between adding Celtic sea salt and addressing dehrdration?

Celtic Sea Salt's ingredients http://www.2-life.com/cssanalysis.htm
are just a minisule quantity of a few common minerals, and a mammoth quantity
of sodium and chloride.

We already have a vast excess of sodium in our diet already.

Now, adding (even more) sodium to one's diet is indeed going to increase water
retention and blood volume, and perhaps help get more blood into one's nose in
some people, but that is not something one wants to do in general, when it is
achieved by increasing  blood pressure.  That is just too risky for most
people.
MS - 05 Aug 2005 15:35 GMT
> This is an "update" to the responses to my original post on "Could there be
> a significant link between dehydration and sinus problems."
>
> While the responding posts are informative and certainly do raise some valid
> concerns about some people adding more salt to a daily diet, it might be
> helpful to add that the doctor I saw is an M.D. and extremely knowledgeable.

(snip)

> The doctor had quickly
> explained that there is good salt and bad salt (table salt),

Doesn't sound "extremely knowledgeable" to me at all. "Good salt and bad
salt". Pure malarkey. What "extremely knowledgeable doctor" would be
spreading BS like that? Ask for links to scientific studies demonstrating
the difference between "good salt" and "bad salt".

> but it is
> possible that for some people adding this bit more salt to their daily diet
> might be an issue; therefore, it would probably be advisable to check with a
> doctor for such people.

And---99.9999999999999999999% (one could keep adding 9s interminably) of
doctors, all over the world, would say to not do that, to any and all
patients.

>But, again, it's been my experience that most
> doctors don't understand the mechanism of sinus problems or how something so
> simple as a special type of salt could be of benefit.

Oh right---most doctors are stupid, don't know anything, only your "salt
doctor" has the magic cure.

> > He further explained that there is good salt and bad salt and suggested
> that
> > I begin taking ¼ teaspoon daily of Celtic Sea Salt (Light Grey) . (Note: I
> > have no vested interest or connection to this product, directly or
> > indirectly).

I believed that last statement of yours at first. I thought you were perhaps
just gullible, believing a charlatan "doctor". But now I think otherwise.
Similarly to the guy who wrote here touting a vitamin supplement recently
(but pretending that wasn't the case, pretending that he was a "patient" who
had "remarkable improvements in sinusitis" from the supplement), as the
famous Groucho Marx quote goes about "if it walks like a duck, smells like a
duck.......", I suspect that this writer does have a vested interest in this
product, and is here simply to sell it. Unfortunately, health newsgroups are
looked at as free advertising for hucksters wishing to push snake oil. We
probably shouldn't even dignify such posts with responses.
CJ - 05 Aug 2005 19:17 GMT
In order to clarify, I never said 1) the doctor was a "salt doctor", 2) that
this was a "magic cure";  or 3) that "most doctors are stupid" ... many in
this newsgroup write in to express that their doctors are unable to help
them. I reference a post and answer by MS on 7/27/05 to Jeffery Davis who
wrote: "....I live in Ohio which is well known for very common sinus
problems yet it seems I have been unable to find a physician with much
knowledge or skill at treating chronic sinus." Answer by MS: "Unfortunately,
your experience is not at all uncommon, and probably sounds familiar to
anyone reading here, not just in Ohio! Regrettably, there don't seem to be
many docs anywhere in the world, whether
ENTs or allergists or internists or whatever, who are very helpful to us
chronic rhino-sinusitis sufferers. :-( I don't think it's a condition that
many in the medical community, research, etc., take very seriously. Yet many
of us suffer terribly from this malady!"

And, again, I do not have any type of connection or any vested interest in
this product whatsoever.

This newsgroup exists so that all can share their experiences and ask
questions. Since many in this newsgroup have expressed that their varied
types of doctors have been unable to offer them help or relief from a myriad
of sinus problems ... then, yes, I'm quite happy to discover an additional
method that brings me more "relief." Like all others who contribute to this
newsgroup and offer the different types of methods that have helped them,
some may wish to give this a try to see if it helps.

> > This is an "update" to the responses to my original post on "Could there
> be
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
> looked at as free advertising for hucksters wishing to push snake oil. We
> probably shouldn't even dignify such posts with responses.
MS - 05 Aug 2005 22:43 GMT
>Since many in this newsgroup have expressed that their varied
> types of doctors have been unable to offer them help or relief from a myriad
> of sinus problems ... then, yes, I'm quite happy to discover an additional
> method that brings me more "relief."

Yes, it is clear that you have read a lot of posts to study the NG, before
"placing your ad", that you see many people are unhappy with the fact that
there is no cure for this condition, and you exploit that in your ad.

There are many chronic conditions for which there is no cure. People suffer
and want "relief", so unfortunately charlatans try to exploit that by
offering them "relief" by using their product. Now these Internet medical
newsgroups have become prime ground for such charlatans, trying to exploit
people's suffering to make a few bucks, with "free advertising".

No, you didn't just "discover an additional method". You are pushing a
product, and I do not believe your statements that you have no vested
interest in it. It just smells very ducky to me. (And if it "smells like a
duck,....................")
Murray Grossan - 06 Aug 2005 04:37 GMT
On 8/5/05 7:35 AM, in article 1123252553.638839@news-1.nethere.net, "MS"
<ms@nospam.com> wrote:

> Doesn't sound "extremely knowledgeable" to me at all. "Good salt and bad
> salt". Pure malarkey. What "extremely knowledgeable doctor" would be
> spreading BS like that? Ask for links to scientific studies demonstrating
> the difference between "good salt" and "bad salt".
Dehydration is always bad for sinus and chest problems. One of the best
"treatments" for both is lots of hot tea with lemon.

Coughing? Drink tea.
Sinus dry? Drink tea.

Today we feel that green tea is best but that can change too.

Sea salt? Given a choice : cut your foot in the ocean or in a filthy
warehouse, choose the warehouse. Fewer bad bugs and stuff.
The tsumani victims in Indonesia that had their wounds washed by ocean water
did particularly poorly compared to the one's with similar injuries but no
ocean water.
Salt is defined as sodium chloride - a pure chemical.Stuff gets added -
iodine, anticaking products, etc.
Many sea salts are "gourmet" because they have a distinctive flavor pending
on the location. Question is, is it good for your nose.
Those here have very delicate nasal membranes and strange chemicals and
compounds might bother them but these might be OK for the normal person.
Ringer's solution is salt modified with electrolytes that your own body
uses, so usually it works better for the nose as a nasal solution.
Be careful of oils. If they aren't fully water soluble they can remain in
the body permanently.
Latest miracle cure from Mayo shows that the mucus is the culprit that holds
the toxins and makes you sick in chronic sinusitis, so removal of same
explains why many improve with pulsatile irrigation and other means.
Acually the "upside down" flush also removes stale mucus.
MS - 05 Aug 2005 22:45 GMT
> it might be
> helpful to add that the doctor I saw is an M.D. and extremely knowledgeable.

Could you please post his name and info, so that we can research his medical
license, etc.?
Harry - 05 Aug 2005 14:09 GMT
>Could there be a significant link between dehydration and sinus problems?
>
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>
>CJ

Hello,
With my experience with my 2 asthmatic children, and my own sinuses, yes,
i would say salt and hydration have a lot to do with the respiratory system.
If youwill look at the ingredients in AZO Yeast, youwill see one of them
is "salt", so it all comes back to yeast/fungus/mold/whatever etc.

 
 
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