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Beer & alcohol are tragic to sinusitis.

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Krist Neot - 25 May 2005 02:55 GMT
For my test, with a beer each weekend, I realized that these two weeks
my nose ran like water falls and sneeze like thunderstorm. I was absolutely
fine for the two weeks before my experiment.

Is that true alcohol cause havoc to nose problem?
afdr9lk - 25 May 2005 03:59 GMT
> For my test, with a beer each weekend, I realized that these two weeks
> my nose ran like water falls and sneeze like thunderstorm. I was absolutely
> fine for the two weeks before my experiment.
>
> Is that true alcohol cause havoc to nose problem?

Although it's an unpopular theory here I'll give it to you.
You start out by getting a sinus infection, maybe a bad one.
You take antibiotics.  Maybe this happens several times over.
During this all you kill off helpful bacteria in the gut.
Yeast overgrowth occurs.  This yeast can penetrate the gut
wall with it's spike like growths.  Not a massive invasive
yeast infection but it's there nonetheless.  The body recognizes
the yeast on the outside of the gut wall as an invader.  It
creates antibodies to combat the yeast.  This yeast is being
fueled from the inside out so the antibodies have a hard time
controlling it.  In the meantime the antibodies travel throughout
your body attacking yeast wherever it is.  Maybe it attacks yeast
in the sinuses where the soft mucus membranes are damaged by the
attack and polyps form.  There happens to be yeast in beer.
When you drink you get the yeast in small quantities in your
sinuses through the fizz, burping etc.  Your body overreacts
(remember, allergies are an overreaction of the immune system to
normal substances) and you nose runs like water falls and you
sneeze like thunderstorms.  I used to be like this all the time
whenever I drank beer.  Especially Anchor Liberty Ale which is
bottle conditioned (meaning lots of live yeast).  I have been
taking acidophilus 3 to 4 times a day for several months and
now I can drink that same beer without a reaction.  My guts
feels 100% better too.  I had what I would describe as IBS
(irritable bowel syndrome).  My sinuses are still congested
and I think I still have a bacterial infection.  I actually
have the opinion that mycoplasma/ureaplasma may be causing
it.  My ENT has agreed to PCR test me for it.  Mycoplasma
can take a year on antibiotics to get rid of.  If I do that
I will certainly stay on the acidophilus.  This would explain
why many, many different attempts of antibiotics for a week
or two failed to cure me.  Although some people here consider
him to be a quack, Dr. Mirkin claims mycoplasma can cause
sinusitis and he has CURED sinusitis w/nasal polyps with
long term antibiotics.
Krist Neot - 25 May 2005 07:06 GMT
thank you for the valuable information. I drank one braun beer in one
weekend and one
carlsberg the other. The outcome was the same, I had bad nose for two weeks.
Maybe
it is yeast anyhow. Does red wine have yeast?

I am comtenplating my theory that alcohol produces more blood to other body
parts and
relatively less blood to the nose and brain. Maybe I am wrong.

> > For my test, with a beer each weekend, I realized that these two weeks
> > my nose ran like water falls and sneeze like thunderstorm. I was absolutely
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> sinusitis and he has CURED sinusitis w/nasal polyps with
> long term antibiotics.
Woody Long - 28 May 2005 23:14 GMT
> or two failed to cure me.  Although some people here consider
> him to be a quack, Dr. Mirkin claims mycoplasma can cause
> sinusitis and he has CURED sinusitis w/nasal polyps with
> long term antibiotics.

Consider the folllowing:

1) Americans consume more antibiotics today than ever before.

2) The cumulative lifetime dose of antibiotics for the average American
is higher than ever before, and is increasing.

3) Americans have a higher incidence of sinusitis than ever before, and
it is increasing

4) Countries where the per capita GDP make antibiotics unaffordable
(less than $500 per person per year) have a low incidence of sinusitis
and allergies

5) Americans spend more per capita on both conventional and alternative
medicine than ever before.

6) The sales of products like acidophilus has enjoyed explosive growth
in recent years.  Nevertheless, the incidence of sinusitis has
continued to increase.  Furthermore the incidence of other fungal
infections such as toenail fungus and vaginal yeast infections has not
decreased and in fact has continued to increase.
Susan - 28 May 2005 23:26 GMT
> Consider the folllowing:
>
> 1) Americans consume more antibiotics today than ever before.

80% of all the abx manufactured in the U.S. are dumped into livestock
feed or sprayed on produce crops.

Anyone concerned about resistant bacteria ought to start there.

Susan
Woody Long - 29 May 2005 20:21 GMT
> 80% of all the abx manufactured in the U.S. are dumped into livestock
> feed or sprayed on produce crops.

U.S. farmers do not feed these antibiotics to livestock because they
are treating bacterial infections.  American farmers have discovered
that one of the side effects of the antibiotics is they make the
livestock grow BIG and FAT (and therefore fetch more on the market).

Farmers have tried feeding livestock a high fat and high calorie diets
but it does not work to the same degree as antibiotics, which is why
they strongly oppose any bans on antibiotics in feed.

Not surprising that since the human use of antibiotics have increased
in the last 30 years, human Americans have grown BIG and FAT as well as
asthmatic.

Woody
Susan - 29 May 2005 22:12 GMT
>>80% of all the abx manufactured in the U.S. are dumped into livestock
>>feed or sprayed on produce crops.
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> that one of the side effects of the antibiotics is they make the
> livestock grow BIG and FAT (and therefore fetch more on the market).

Not exactly, though that may be a side effect.  U.S. farmers are raising
cattle on a diet that makes them very ill, and they treat the ills with
drugs.  Cows are meant to graze on grass, not eat starchy grain and
ground up animal entrails.

> Farmers have tried feeding livestock a high fat and high calorie diets
> but it does not work to the same degree as antibiotics, which is why
> they strongly oppose any bans on antibiotics in feed.

Farmers feed cattle grain to make them fat, works the same way with
people.

> Not surprising that since the human use of antibiotics have increased
> in the last 30 years, human Americans have grown BIG and FAT as well as
> asthmatic.
>
> Woody

Humans have gotten fat by following the badly conceived USDA food
pyramid, which induced epidemic type 2 diabetes, CVD and kidney failure
if you follow the chronology.

Susan
afdr9lk - 29 May 2005 02:55 GMT
If you PCR tested positive for mycoplasma would you take
antibiotics?

>>or two failed to cure me.  Although some people here consider
>>him to be a quack, Dr. Mirkin claims mycoplasma can cause
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> infections such as toenail fungus and vaginal yeast infections has not
> decreased and in fact has continued to increase.
Woody Long - 29 May 2005 20:38 GMT
Personally, no. I think there is a large percentage of the population
(including completely healthy people) that will test PCR positive for a
number of pathogens, including mycoplasma.  There is no real hard
evidence that treating this pathogen will make you feel any better.
afdr9lk - 01 Jun 2005 03:17 GMT
> Personally, no. I think there is a large percentage of the population
> (including completely healthy people) that will test PCR positive for a
> number of pathogens, including mycoplasma.  There is no real hard
> evidence that treating this pathogen will make you feel any better.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=264771
Murray Grossan - 29 May 2005 19:06 GMT
On 5/28/05 3:14 PM, in article
1117318492.288180.150380@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Woody Long"
<woodylong30@hotmail.com> wrote:

> 4) Countries where the per capita GDP make antibiotics unaffordable
> (less than $500 per person per year) have a low incidence of sinusitis
> and allergies

True, in Somalia there is no asthma - most persons have worms and this
"engages" the immune system.

Gotta be careful of statistics. For years the Bulgarians showed longevity.
Finally they found out that the men routinely added 10-15 years to their age
to avoid the army draft.
Steven L. - 30 May 2005 18:52 GMT
> On 5/28/05 3:14 PM, in article
> 1117318492.288180.150380@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Woody Long"
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> Finally they found out that the men routinely added 10-15 years to their age
> to avoid the army draft.

Here in America, the incidence of both feline asthma and feline
sinusitis (in pet cats) has increased in recent years too.  Yet they
don't take as many antibiotics as we humans do, nor do they live a
similar lifestyle.

What pet cats do, however, is sleep on carpets, which means they're
inhaling all the dust and mold right off the carpet.

I think the invention of wall-to-wall carpets, rather than antibiotics,
has been a bigger disaster for respiratory illness.  Wall-to-wall
carpeting became de rigueur only in the last few decades or so.  Before
that, when you rented an apartment, it had bare floors and if you wanted
carpeting you had to buy it yourself.

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Susan - 30 May 2005 19:20 GMT
> Here in America, the incidence of both feline asthma and feline
> sinusitis (in pet cats) has increased in recent years too.  Yet they
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> that, when you rented an apartment, it had bare floors and if you wanted
> carpeting you had to buy it yourself.

Not only wall to wall carpet, but sealed office buildings recirculating
moldy, fungi and bacteria and dust ridden air.

Susan
Don Brady - 30 May 2005 21:49 GMT
>Here in America, the incidence of both feline asthma and feline
>sinusitis (in pet cats) has increased in recent years too.  Yet they
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>What pet cats do, however, is sleep on carpets, which means they're
>inhaling all the dust and mold

and fomaldahyde too I guess

>right off the carpet.
>
>I think the invention of wall-to-wall carpets, rather than antibiotics,
>has been a bigger disaster for respiratory illness.  Wall-to-wall
>carpeting became de rigueur only in the last few decades or

Very interesting!

I have had all of mine removed.

>  Before
>that, when you rented an apartment, it had bare floors and if you wanted
>carpeting you had to buy it yourself.
Don Brady - 25 May 2005 12:07 GMT
>For my test, with a beer each weekend, I realized that these two weeks
>my nose ran like water falls and sneeze like thunderstorm. I was absolutely
>fine for the two weeks before my experiment.
>
>Is that true alcohol cause havoc to nose problem?

It can cause vasoconstriction which gives reduced blood flow to the nose, which
will make existing problems worse in the nose.

Also, you ncould be alleegic to the gluten in alcohol.

Also it interferes with digestion and vitamin absorbtion.

etc. etc.
 
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