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How nussle polyps are associates with Asthma/Chronic Sinus infection ?
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Ankur - 24 May 2005 07:17 GMT Hello everyone ,,, i have read on a website that peoples with nussle polyps have more chances of asthma/chronic sinus infections ??? nussle polyps can go into sinuses etc /..... how true this fact is ? whats the percentage of peoples with nussle polyps get effected by asthma/chronic sinues ....... does surgery help to reduce/eliminate chances of nussle polyps to convert into asthma/chronic sinus. ? Thanks
Don Brady - 24 May 2005 12:01 GMT >Hello everyone ,,, >i have read on a website that peoples with nasal polyps have more [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >does surgery help to reduce/eliminate chances of nasal polyps to >convert into asthma/chronic sinus. ? Not necessarily. They're just all manifestations of allergic and atopic susceptibility.........
Allen L. - 24 May 2005 13:35 GMT > Hello everyone ,,, > i have read on a website that peoples with nussle polyps have more [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > convert into asthma/chronic sinus. ? > Thanks Ankur,
No offense, but you have been posting with uncertainty about your condition for the last week or so, and what to do about your condition. Back and forth. Go to a *regular* surgeon and have the polyps removed for heavens sake. You see to *radiate* uncertainty about your homopathic solutions...so go have the surgery and be done with it.
...Allen
Don Brady - 24 May 2005 14:47 GMT >No offense, but you have been posting with uncertainty about your condition >for the last week or so, and what to do about your condition. Back and >forth. Go to a *regular* surgeon and have the polyps removed for heavens >sake. You see to *radiate* uncertainty about your homopathic solutions...so >go have the surgery and be done with it. I think he was looking to reduce his uncertainty.
I think your post is probably useful to him too, because I take it to mean that there is little risk to the surgery. And I beleive that you are a physician.
I'm glad he has posted and I think he should keep,posting until he is satisfied.. Now we know a but more about Indian and homeopathic remedies. There's never any harm in people posting repeatedly if they are trying to resolve their uncertaintly. It's better to do so.
Allen L. - 24 May 2005 18:02 GMT >In news:imb691l8q8reqaq0bcj6p1s12uv4vr7cmv@4ax.com, Don Brady <dbrady@pobox.com> typed:
>>snipped<< > I think your post is probably useful to him too, because I take it to > mean that there is little risk to the surgery. And I beleive that > you are a physician. No, I'm not a physician but I can read between the lines that he, (Ankur), seems very unsure about the homopathic methods bringing a 'cure' to his problem. If I were to make a reasonable decision between recommendations from a homopathic 'doctor', and a licsensed medical doctor, I know which I would choose, and I believe most who read this group would also choose the medical doctor. I think he should get a second and maybe even a third opinion from some other medical doctors about the surgery...not just one surgeon's opinion. His country of residence has little bearing on the decision, as he *does* have a choice for treatment. <<snipped>>
Ankur - 25 May 2005 06:02 GMT Thanks ,, thats where my probem lies ;;;-- one and half month ago i found that i have polyps ... ENT openion: i have consulted 3 ent surgens , all of the recommended surgery .. on asking what can be consecunces they said polyps can go into sinuses leading to cronic infections . Homeopathic doctors openion : according to them surgery is more risky than polyps they say they can cure polyps in 3-4 months regular medicines ... Regular MBBS doctors openion :_ they say one must not choose surgery directly but first use medicines and if medicines work then surgery must be avoided .. they say even chronic infections can be cured with antibiotics . but whenever you go to ent they will recommend surgery cause they r master of surgery ... genral peoples view : polyps is life time problem learn to live with them ... there are peoples who gone through number of surgeries still did not get releif .. they say surgery is worthless ...
so just wondering what must i do .... " i am getting relief from homeopathic ,medicines (atleast i can breath now ) ... just i want to know is is there any chances that it seems from outside that i am getting cure from polyps but from inside it can lead to chronic infections/asthma etc "
Ankur - 25 May 2005 10:52 GMT i have read almost all topics on nussle polyps in google groups .........
in most cases say 99% the deal is ? if you manage to shrink the polyps ( whaterver way you choose antibiotics/alternative medicines/climate.habit change ) then surgery is not needed ??? and those who fail to shrink polyps go for surgery ....... so i want to know is polyps limitied to nose breathing only .... i mean noone discuss if they keep using nasal sprays regularly there polyps can fill sinuses or lead to another dieases ? why
Don Brady - 25 May 2005 12:42 GMT >i have read almost all topics on nussle polyps in google groups >......... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >mean noone discuss if they keep using nasal sprays regularly there >polyps can fill sinuses or lead to another dieases ? Why? I think people were hoping that one of the doctors would comment. I think that the reason they have not is that yur question cannot be answered in gneral terms.
I am not a doctor and do not have polyps but what I have read says that if one can shrink them with medication, then he or she does not need surgery. Dr. Grossan says that he can normally cure polyps with medication and does not usually need to use surgery.
Now, there is always the *possibility* that in your *particular" case, there could be some *particular* polyps that are not being cured by the medication you are taking, or that the sinusitis has already progressed to the point that you need sinus surgery anyway, polyps or no polyps.
To answer that, you need a CT scan.
I think that you need a CT scan first, before anyway can say whether or not you need surgery.
At least, that would be the standard in th U.S. Are C.T. scans very hard to obtain in India?
In any case, I don't see how you could do surgery without a CT scan, unless thery are only proposing to do *nasal* surgery for the polyps alone only. And if those polyps are gone now, then I do not know what surgery they would be doing that would only in the nose.....
By the way, it is "Nasal*npolyps, not nuzzle polyps.
Also, if you do opt for surgery, you need to be sure you have a very experienced surgeon.....
Ankur - 25 May 2005 13:41 GMT according to doctors they can see externally that polyps are not in sinuses .... but according to them polyp is big so i must not take risk and go for surgery directly .... according to doctors in my city noone with polyps must take risk and go to directly on surgery bed ... and in reverse homeopathic doctors/genral public noone must go for surgery and bear polyps or remain on medications ........ they said they need my ctscan which will help them in surgery ,....... ......................
and finally i took a hard decision :
" i will complete homeopathic course ( that is will consumer there medicines for atleast 2 more months ) ... if my polyps shrunk and i can breath easily without medicines then i will not even go to doctor to check if there are polyps or not ..... but if polyps keep bothering me in the same way i will go to some good doctor and directly choose surgery
Don Brady - 25 May 2005 14:10 GMT ..........
>and finally i took a hard decision : > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >in the same way i will go to some good doctor and directly choose >surgery Even in the latter case you can still get a CT scan *first*, before actally ahving surgery, to see how urgent things actually are.......
Murray Grossan - 26 May 2005 00:13 GMT On 5/25/05 5:41 AM, in article 1117024906.866532.307030@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Ankur" <ankurarora17@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> according to doctors they can see externally that polyps are not in > sinuses .... but according to them polyp is big so i must not take [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > in the same way i will go to some good doctor and directly choose > surgery I am afraid I really don't understand what you are saying. There is a standard course of medication that is given to attempt to shrink polyps. When this works, there is a standard medication that is used to try to keep the polyps from returning. When the medication fails, and the CT scan shows "bad " polyps in the sinuses, as well as the nose, then there is a need to decide the next step, whether keep trying medicatons or go to surgery. All this is standard protocol and is used universallly, so I don't understand why there is a confusion. If you have polyp you need to avoid all products that contain aspirin and aspirin like products.
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Ankur - 26 May 2005 07:21 GMT 1does nussle polyps cause sinus infection ??? or sinus infection cause nussle polyps ?
2 going for surgery of nussle polyps can reduce chances of sinus infection ( or chances of growing polyps in sinuses ) ?
3can doctor comment that polyps will not shrink with medicines just by watching it externally or touching it with cotton or by endoscopic examination ?
Murray Grossan - 28 May 2005 22:44 GMT On 5/25/05 11:21 PM, in article 1117088465.429270.8370@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "Ankur" <ankurarora17@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> 1does nussle polyps cause sinus infection ??? or sinus infection cause > nussle polyps ? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > by watching it externally or touching it with cotton or by endoscopic > examination ? I am afraid I really don't understand what you are saying. There is a standard course of medication that is given to attempt to shrink polyps. When this works, there is a standard medication that is used to try to keep the polyps from returning. When the medication fails, and the CT scan shows "bad " polyps in the sinuses, as well as the nose, then there is a need to decide the next step, whether keep trying medicatons or go to surgery. All this is standard protocol and is used universallly, so I don't understand why there is a confusion. If you have polyp you need to avoid all products that contain aspirin and aspirin like products.
Don Brady - 29 May 2005 15:06 GMT >I am afraid I really don't understand what you are saying. >There is a standard course of medication that is given to attempt to shrink [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >All this is standard protocol and is used universallly, so I don't >understand why there is a confusion. I think he was saying that his medical doctors in India were recommending going directly to surgery, without any preliminary trial of prescribed medication.
Ankur - 29 May 2005 15:46 GMT ya thats what doctor says just by watching it externally they say medicines are not work .... i think doctors directly recommend surgery because of risk associated with steriod medicines and they said to me that there is no risk in surgery they say we r doing 30-40 surgeries per month from number of years for polyps and there never complication occured ( one doctor ).... other doctor told me there is no risk on eyes during surgery he said atleast in his 10 years career he never saw anyone loosing his eyes due to polyps/sinus surgery ..... he said these are very rare things ..... ....
or the another reason may be i directly consulted ENT and all of them were MD and masters of surgery .... however doctors ( MBBS) donot recommend surgery until polyps block your breathing completely
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