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How nussle polyps are associates with Asthma/Chronic Sinus infection ?

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Ankur - 24 May 2005 07:17 GMT
Hello everyone ,,,
i have read on a  website that peoples with nussle polyps have more
chances of asthma/chronic sinus infections ??? nussle polyps can go
into sinuses  etc /..... how true this fact is ? whats the percentage
of peoples with nussle polyps get effected by asthma/chronic sinues
.......
does  surgery help  to reduce/eliminate chances of nussle polyps to
convert into asthma/chronic sinus. ?
Thanks
Don Brady - 24 May 2005 12:01 GMT
>Hello everyone ,,,
>i have read on a  website that peoples with nasal polyps have more
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>does  surgery help  to reduce/eliminate chances of nasal polyps to
>convert into asthma/chronic sinus. ?

Not necessarily.  They're just all manifestations of allergic and atopic
susceptibility.........
Allen L. - 24 May 2005 13:35 GMT
> Hello everyone ,,,
> i have read on a  website that peoples with nussle polyps have more
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> convert into asthma/chronic sinus. ?
> Thanks

Ankur,

No offense, but you have been posting with uncertainty about your condition
for the last week or so, and what to do about your condition. Back and
forth. Go to a *regular* surgeon and have the polyps removed for heavens
sake. You see to *radiate* uncertainty about your homopathic solutions...so
go have the surgery and be done with it.

...Allen
Don Brady - 24 May 2005 14:47 GMT
>No offense, but you have been posting with uncertainty about your condition
>for the last week or so, and what to do about your condition. Back and
>forth. Go to a *regular* surgeon and have the polyps removed for heavens
>sake. You see to *radiate* uncertainty about your homopathic solutions...so
>go have the surgery and be done with it.

I think he was looking to reduce his uncertainty.

I think your post is probably useful to him too, because I take it to mean that
there is little risk to the surgery.   And I beleive that you are a physician.

I'm glad he has posted and I think he should keep,posting until he is
satisfied..    Now we know a but more about Indian and homeopathic remedies.
There's never any harm in people posting repeatedly if they are trying to
resolve their  uncertaintly.   It's better to do so.
Allen L. - 24 May 2005 18:02 GMT
>In news:imb691l8q8reqaq0bcj6p1s12uv4vr7cmv@4ax.com,
Don Brady <dbrady@pobox.com> typed:
>>snipped<<
> I think your post is probably useful to him too, because I take it to
> mean that there is little risk to the surgery.   And I beleive that
> you are a physician.

No, I'm not a physician but I can read between the lines that he, (Ankur),
seems very unsure about the homopathic methods bringing a 'cure' to his
problem. If I were to make a reasonable decision between recommendations
from a homopathic 'doctor', and a licsensed medical doctor, I know which I
would choose, and I believe most who read this group would also choose the
medical doctor. I think he should get a second and maybe even a third
opinion from some other medical doctors about the surgery...not just one
surgeon's opinion. His country of residence has little bearing on the
decision, as he *does* have a choice for treatment.
<<snipped>>
Ankur - 25 May 2005 06:02 GMT
Thanks ,, thats where my probem lies ;;;--
one and half month ago i found that i have polyps ...
ENT openion:
i have consulted 3 ent surgens , all of the recommended surgery .. on
asking what can be consecunces they said polyps can go into sinuses
leading to cronic infections .
Homeopathic doctors openion :
according to them surgery  is more risky than polyps  they say they
can cure polyps in 3-4 months regular medicines ...
Regular MBBS doctors openion :_   they say one must not choose surgery
directly but first use  medicines and if medicines work then surgery
must be avoided .. they say even chronic infections can be cured with
antibiotics .  but whenever you go to ent they will recommend surgery
cause they r  master of surgery ...
genral peoples view : polyps is life time problem learn to live with
them ...  there are peoples who gone through number of surgeries still
did not get releif .. they say surgery is worthless ...

so just wondering what must i do ....
" i am getting relief from homeopathic ,medicines (atleast i can breath
now ) ... just i want to know is is there any chances that it seems
from outside that i am getting cure from polyps but from inside it can
lead to chronic infections/asthma etc "
Ankur - 25 May 2005 10:52 GMT
i have read almost all topics on nussle polyps in google groups
.........

in most cases say 99%   the deal is ? if you manage to shrink the
polyps ( whaterver way you choose antibiotics/alternative
medicines/climate.habit change ) then surgery is not needed ??? and
those who fail to  shrink polyps go for surgery .......
so  i want to know is polyps limitied to  nose breathing only .... i
mean noone discuss if they keep using nasal sprays regularly there
polyps can fill sinuses or lead to another dieases ? why
Don Brady - 25 May 2005 12:42 GMT
>i have read almost all topics on nussle polyps in google groups
>.........
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>mean noone discuss if they keep using nasal sprays regularly there
>polyps can fill sinuses or lead to another dieases ?  Why?

I think people were hoping that one of the doctors would comment.  I think that
the reason they have not is  that yur question cannot be answered in gneral
terms.  

I am not a doctor and do not have polyps but what I have read says that if one
can shrink them with medication, then he or she does not need surgery.  Dr.
Grossan says that he can normally cure polyps with medication and does not
usually need to use surgery.

Now, there is always the *possibility* that in your *particular" case, there
could be some *particular* polyps that are not being cured by the medication
you are taking, or that the sinusitis has already progressed to the point  that
you need sinus surgery anyway, polyps or no polyps.  

To answer that, you need a CT scan.  

I think that you need a CT scan first, before anyway can say whether or not you
need  surgery.

At least, that would be the standard in th U.S.   Are C.T. scans very hard to
obtain in India?  

In any case, I don't see how you could do surgery without a CT scan, unless
thery are only proposing to do *nasal* surgery for the polyps alone only.   And
if those polyps are gone now, then I do not  know what surgery they would be
doing that would only in the nose.....

By the way, it is "Nasal*npolyps, not nuzzle polyps.

Also, if you do opt for surgery, you need to be sure you have a very
experienced surgeon.....
Ankur - 25 May 2005 13:41 GMT
according to doctors they can see externally that polyps are not in
sinuses .... but according to them polyp is big so  i must not take
risk and go for surgery directly ....   according to doctors in my city
noone with polyps must take risk and go to directly on surgery bed ...
and in reverse homeopathic doctors/genral public noone must go  for
surgery and bear polyps or remain on medications ........ they said
they need my ctscan  which will help them in surgery ,.......
......................

and finally i took a  hard decision :

" i will complete homeopathic course ( that is will consumer there
medicines for atleast 2 more months ) ... if my polyps shrunk and i can
breath easily without medicines then i will not even go to doctor to
check if there are polyps or not ..... but if polyps keep bothering me
in the same way i will go to some good doctor and directly choose
surgery
Don Brady - 25 May 2005 14:10 GMT
..........
>and finally i took a  hard decision :
>
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>in the same way i will go to some good doctor and directly choose
>surgery

Even in the latter case you can still get a CT scan *first*, before actally
ahving surgery,  to see how urgent things actually are.......
Murray Grossan - 26 May 2005 00:13 GMT
On 5/25/05 5:41 AM, in article
1117024906.866532.307030@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Ankur"
<ankurarora17@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

> according to doctors they can see externally that polyps are not in
> sinuses .... but according to them polyp is big so  i must not take
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> in the same way i will go to some good doctor and directly choose
> surgery

I am afraid I really don't understand what you are saying.
There is a standard course of medication that is given to attempt to shrink
polyps. When this works, there is a standard medication that is used to try
to keep the polyps from returning.
When the medication fails, and the CT scan shows "bad " polyps in the
sinuses, as well as the nose, then there is a need to decide the next step,
whether keep trying medicatons or go to surgery.
All this is standard protocol and is used universallly, so I don't
understand why there is a confusion.
If you have polyp you need to avoid all products that contain aspirin and
aspirin like products.

If you visit the web sites for american academy of allergy, american college
of allergy, academy of otooaryngology they have useful consumer information
to help you. If you go to Google, you will see all the claims for vitamin
and other items for sale.  
Ankur - 26 May 2005 07:21 GMT
1does nussle polyps cause sinus infection ???  or sinus infection cause
nussle polyps ?

2 going for surgery of nussle polyps can reduce chances of sinus
infection ( or chances  of growing polyps in sinuses ) ?

3can doctor comment  that polyps will not shrink with medicines  just
by watching it externally or touching it with cotton or by endoscopic
examination ?
Murray Grossan - 28 May 2005 22:44 GMT
On 5/25/05 11:21 PM, in article
1117088465.429270.8370@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "Ankur"
<ankurarora17@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

> 1does nussle polyps cause sinus infection ???  or sinus infection cause
> nussle polyps ?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> by watching it externally or touching it with cotton or by endoscopic
> examination ?

I am afraid I really don't understand what you are saying.
There is a standard course of medication that is given to attempt to shrink
polyps. When this works, there is a standard medication that is used to try
to keep the polyps from returning.
When the medication fails, and the CT scan shows "bad " polyps in the
sinuses, as well as the nose, then there is a need to decide the next step,
whether keep trying medicatons or go to surgery.
All this is standard protocol and is used universallly, so I don't
understand why there is a confusion.
If you have polyp you need to avoid all products that contain aspirin and
aspirin like products.
Don Brady - 29 May 2005 15:06 GMT
>I am afraid I really don't understand what you are saying.
>There is a standard course of medication that is given to attempt to shrink
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>All this is standard protocol and is used universallly, so I don't
>understand why there is a confusion.

I think he was saying that his medical doctors in India were recommending going
directly to surgery, without any preliminary trial of prescribed medication.
Ankur - 29 May 2005 15:46 GMT
ya thats what doctor says just by watching it externally they say
medicines are not work .... i think  doctors directly recommend surgery
because of risk associated with steriod medicines and  they said to me
that  there is no risk in surgery they say we  r  doing 30-40 surgeries
per month  from number of years for polyps and there never complication
occured ( one doctor ).... other doctor told me there is no risk on
eyes during surgery he said atleast in his 10 years career he never saw
anyone loosing his eyes due to polyps/sinus surgery ..... he said these
are  very rare things .....  ....

or the another reason may be i directly consulted ENT and all of them
were MD and masters of surgery .... however doctors (  MBBS) donot
recommend surgery until polyps block your breathing completely

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