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How to treat Sinusitis caused by Candida?

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JimiGunne - 16 May 2005 22:22 GMT
    I had a yeast infection (caught from the wife) back in fal of 99.
Itched like drazy. The doc prescibed antibiotic, and in a couple of
days it was completely gone. About that time, pribably not long after,
I got a sinusitis condition. I hear it can "morph" from a yeast into a
fungus..it sound like when you have this Candida fungus overgrpwth, it
is everywhere in the body. If it is what I have, it seem sto be only
in the sinuses, causing continual severe sinus congestion.  Not even
the strongest decongestant available, Duratuss GP, would clear up the
congestion...so I have lived with it for about five years. Two allergy
shot regimens from two diferent doctors was no help at all, most likey
because it is not something I am reacting to i the outside
environment. I need to be tested for Candida, which I gess they would
need to culture saliva or mucous sercreations to make postive
diagnosis. But the thing is, My GP will just send me to another
allergist or ENT.  Is there some lab I can send a sample to for tests?
All the doctors in town are myopic when it comes to sinusitis: it must
be an allergy!  And their solution will inevitably be more allergy
shots, or a round of antibiotics...probably both (They are all
anti-biotic crazy as the cure-all for almost anything). And I hear
that antibiotics just make a candida overgrowth worse.  
I read about Candida....and found that the yeast organism some how
"morphs" into a FUNGUS infection.   I do not understand this, this
sounds like spontaneous generation or something....how can one
organizm change into another?
  SO...what is the best treatment for Candida overgrowth?   BTW, I do
not want to hear about some bottle of pills for ony 60.00 that will
work a miracle cure.  I know that quack pill-peddlers tend to hang
around health newsgroups to offer their "amazing cures".
CanDo - 17 May 2005 02:14 GMT
What do you think about inexpensive "upside down sinus floodings" with a
mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt, as a
treatment for nasal and/or sinus infections? Hydrogen Peroxide is supposed
to be able to kill bacterial, fungal or viral germs.

To read the complete documentation on ""upside down sinus floodings", follow
the following link:

http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown

>      I had a yeast infection (caught from the wife) back in fal of 99.
> Itched like drazy. The doc prescibed antibiotic, and in a couple of
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> work a miracle cure.  I know that quack pill-peddlers tend to hang
> around health newsgroups to offer their "amazing cures".
Steven L. - 17 May 2005 02:16 GMT
>      I had a yeast infection (caught from the wife) back in fal of 99.
> Itched like drazy. The doc prescibed antibiotic, and in a couple of
> days it was completely gone.

What was the name of the medication?  (It can't be an "antibiotic"
because antibiotics are antibacterial, not antifungal)

> About that time, pribably not long after,
> I got a sinusitis condition. I hear it can "morph" from a yeast into a
> fungus..it sound like when you have this Candida fungus overgrpwth, it
> is everywhere in the body. If it is what I have, it seem sto be only
> in the sinuses, causing continual severe sinus congestion.  

Go see an ENT and have him examine you for fungal sinusitis.
If multiple ENTs have told you that you don't have fungal sinusitis,
then perhaps the cause of your sinusitis lies elsewhere.

>    SO...what is the best treatment for Candida overgrowth?  

The notion that systemic Candida overgrowth causes chronic sinusitis (or
anything else) has NOT been accepted by mainstream medicine.  At
present, it remains a speculative but unproven theory which goes back to
the inadequately controlled studies of Dr. Crook.

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afdr9lk - 17 May 2005 02:57 GMT
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> The notion that systemic Candida overgrowth causes chronic sinusitis (or
> anything else) has NOT been accepted by mainstream medicine.  At
> present, it remains a speculative but unproven theory which goes back to
> the inadequately controlled studies of Dr. Crook.

...and I'd point out that mainstream medicine cannot cure chronic sinusitis.
Don Brady - 17 May 2005 04:44 GMT
>...and I'd point out that mainstream medicine cannot cure chronic sinusitis.

Sure it can.

High success rates are reported in a number of journal articles.
Steven L. - 17 May 2005 18:33 GMT
> <snip>
>
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> ...and I'd point out that mainstream medicine cannot cure chronic
> sinusitis.

Neither can alternative medicine.

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afdr9lk - 19 May 2005 02:34 GMT
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> Neither can alternative medicine.

Remember when the quacks were treating ulcers with antibiotics.
What a bunch a looney fools.
Steven L. - 19 May 2005 03:24 GMT
>>> <snip>
>>>
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> Remember when the quacks were treating ulcers with antibiotics.
> What a bunch a looney fools.

Quacks never treated ulcers with antibiotics.
They treated ulcers with licorice.

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afdr9lk - 20 May 2005 02:18 GMT
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>> Remember when the quacks were treating ulcers with antibiotics.
>> What a bunch a looney fools.
>
> Quacks never treated ulcers with antibiotics.
> They treated ulcers with licorice.

"Dr Tom Borody, a Sydney gastroenterologist who has treated thousands of
ulcer patients with antibiotics after becoming an early convert, says:
"He was changing the world and the world wasn't seeing it." Marshall
himself underplays the underdog image. "I used to have a pretty good
following. Robin Hood and his merry men - we used to think of it as a
guerilla warfare. There were a lot of people who didn't believe what
we said but they couldn't keep us quiet. I was very thick-skinned."
Robin Warren believes that if Marshall hadn't tried to push their
discovery so hard, "I suspect I'd still be trying to convince people
of it. He's a much better salesman than I am. If you make a big discovery,
if you don't sell it, it's not going to be heard by anyone else." But
Marshall took at least a decade longer than he expected to persuade
colleagues that ulcer patients with H pylori should be treated with
antibiotics."

http://www.vianet.net.au/~bjmrshll/features2.html
Don Brady - 20 May 2005 08:32 GMT
There's a logical fallacy in arguing that because mainstream medicine is
occasionally badly wrong, and that someone else did get it right in that case,
that this means that in some totally unrelated area, we should discard the
judgment and consensus of mainstream medicine , and assume that it is wrong,
and that some unproved  theory is right.

It;s not impossible that any given radical theory is right.  It is just
unlikely.
Steven L. - 20 May 2005 16:35 GMT
> There's a logical fallacy in arguing that because mainstream medicine is
> occasionally badly wrong, and that someone else did get it right in that case,
> that this means that in some totally unrelated area, we should discard the
> judgment and consensus of mainstream medicine , and assume that it is wrong,
> and that some unproved  theory is right.

Actually, it is necessary that mainstream medicine be conservative.
Treating serious illness is literally a matter of life and death, and
it's unethical to experiment on humans willy-nilly.

> It;s not impossible that any given radical theory is right.  It is just
> unlikely.

A good example of this has been the hype over angiogenesis inhibition to
fight cancer.  That research started in the 1970's just like the
research about H. Pylori and ulcers did.  The theory looked good.  In
early trials, angiogenesis inhibitors worked very well in experimental
animals.  It looked like it could be the broad-spectrum cancer treatment
everyone had dreamed of.  Then they tried it on human cancer
patients--and the results were disappointing.  It may still have promise
but it sure ain't no miracle cure.

That's the history of medicine.  Some breakthroughs work.  Others don't.

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afdr9lk - 21 May 2005 03:47 GMT
>> There's a logical fallacy in arguing that because mainstream medicine is
>> occasionally badly wrong, and that someone else did get it right in
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>
> That's the history of medicine.  Some breakthroughs work.  Others don't.

Right but when you are treating illnesses that mainstream medicine cannot
cure you have to start looking around.
afdr9lk - 21 May 2005 03:41 GMT
> There's a logical fallacy in arguing that because mainstream medicine is
> occasionally badly wrong, and that someone else did get it right in that case,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> It;s not impossible that any given radical theory is right.  It is just
> unlikely.

Yes there is a logical fallacy in arguing that.  But nobody was.  The
argument was that alternative medicine never cured chronic sinusitis.
Don Brady - 21 May 2005 09:22 GMT
>Yes there is a logical fallacy in arguing that.  But nobody was.  The
>argument was that alternative medicine never cured chronic sinusitis.

That was an offshoot of the main discussion.
Steven L. - 20 May 2005 16:25 GMT
> <snip>
>
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> ulcer patients with antibiotics after becoming an early convert, says:
> "He was changing the world and the world wasn't seeing it."

Dr. Tom Borody was not a "quack."

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afdr9lk - 21 May 2005 03:45 GMT
>> <snip>
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>
> Dr. Tom Borody was not a "quack."

Barry Marshall was considered the quack.
Murray Grossan - 22 May 2005 02:21 GMT
On 5/20/05 7:45 PM, in article
yhxje.3915$X92.2676@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net, "afdr9lk"
<9ekdu@dikmd.com> wrote:

>>> <snip>
>>>
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>>
> Barry Marshall was considered the quack.
Most stomach ulcers are due to an infection of a bacteria called
Helicobacteria and this infection is treated with antibiotics.
Becca - 19 May 2005 22:53 GMT
> ...and I'd point out that mainstream medicine cannot cure chronic
> sinusitis.

It has not cured mine.  I had sinus surgery 7 years ago and my sinuses
are still bad.  Now, I get a sinus infection every 3 months or so. I use
Flonase every day and I take Amoxicillin when I have a sinus infection.
It is not working as well as it used to.

Any suggestions?

Becca
Don Brady - 20 May 2005 00:37 GMT
>> ...and I'd point out that mainstream medicine cannot cure chronic
>> sinusitis.
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>
>Any suggestions?

You've got to eliminate exposure to allergens for long-term success.

The inflammation will go down if you can do so
CanDo - 20 May 2005 01:40 GMT
After I suffered with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for
decades, I experimented with flooding my nasal passages with an
anti-infective mixture that could kill germs and infection, without killing
me. I found a safe way, for me, to keep my forehead pointed down, for a few
minutes, with my nasal passages flooded with a mixture of diluted 3%
hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. Sinus flooding not only
killed my sinus infection, but also has kept myself infection free, without
having to use antibiotics.
.
I have now been sinus infection free for over 3 years. I think that my
chronic infection problems were associated with my turbinates, so the
anti-infective mixture worked very well, for me, since the infected areas
were fairly easy to reach.
.
Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down Sinus
Flooding: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown
.
.
"If you save one life, it is as though you save the entire world"

> > ...and I'd point out that mainstream medicine cannot cure chronic
> > sinusitis.
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>
> Becca
Becca - 20 May 2005 12:41 GMT
Thanks for everyone's help and advice, I appreciate it.

Becca
Steven L. - 20 May 2005 16:36 GMT
>> ...and I'd point out that mainstream medicine cannot cure chronic
>> sinusitis.
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>
> Any suggestions?

Revision surgery.

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augustwestern - 18 May 2005 01:29 GMT
>      I had a yeast infection (caught from the wife) back in fal of 99.
> Itched like drazy. The doc prescibed antibiotic, and in a couple of
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> work a miracle cure.  I know that quack pill-peddlers tend to hang
> around health newsgroups to offer their "amazing cures".

It would be very rare for a healthy person to develop candidiasis after only
one round of antibiotics.

Nystatin is a common antifungal antibiotic used to treat candida.

If you think you might have candida, quit eating any sugar, bread or
drinking beer and start eating plain yogurt every day. That's the best and
cheapest "amazing cure"  for candida that I know.     AW
uuperiwinkle@yahoo.com - 18 May 2005 03:29 GMT
Read Dr. Ivker's book- "Sinus Survival" for more details on the
anti-candida diet and other alternative sinusitis treatments.  While I
am not "cured," I have found that the combination of traditional and
alternative medicine has done more for my sinusitis than either method
used in isolation.
Woody Long - 21 May 2005 19:09 GMT
>    SO...what is the best treatment for Candida overgrowth?

It is called candidiasis and the best oral pill available is called
voriconazole, brand name "Vfend".  Its not a cure but it may help up to
a point.

You can also try irrigation with amphotericin B, the Mayo clinic
protocol.

  BTW, I do
> not want to hear about some bottle of pills for ony 60.00 that will
> work a miracle cure.  I know that quack pill-peddlers tend to hang
> around health newsgroups to offer their "amazing cures".
Harry - 24 May 2005 08:44 GMT
Hello, Jim,
My last polyp surgery nearly killed me so i have no intentions of ever
getting any more.

Remember this and remember it well:
Irritation causes swelling;
Swelling causes blockage;
Blockage causes infection.

For the "irritation":
If you spray your nose with a little spray container, keep the
container away from your nares.
Use no "force" or you will shove the infection clear to your brain. One
teaspoon of sea salt to
one pint of water in a tightly closed container will last at least a
week or you are doing too much.
For the "swelling" (this is where i now panic and go berserk):
In other words if the salt solution (sometimes Listerine) didnot work,
i missed the boat, so i donot wait for the
"infection" i simply slip me an antibiotic or two or three over a
day or two period. Yes, this does
cause the Candida to flare up, but if you knew the stuff i do to fight
the Candida,it would knock
your socks off whether you were wearing any or not, so i have the
Candida in control 24/7
anyway, therefore antibiotics no longer scare me as much as they use
to, however i can only take
a little bit. I rely heavily on homeopathy 24/7.

Now then to get you started:
Get an ozone generator (one of those big $500.00 ones); learn to use
it, and clean out your entire
house of mold (fungus) etc. This is the only way you are going to get
rid of your problem, unless
your problem is chemical. There are no instruction on how to use one,
as they are really mostly
industrial (the good ones that is), so you are on your own and alone.
They are dangerous or
maybe they arenot- take no chances. I soon lost my fear of it after a
while, and since i cannot
smell anymore, it was extra scary for me, because that is the only way
you can tell when to turn
it off.  Off and on, off and soon got tiring so i guess that is why i
lost my fear of it (i do have
someone doing my smelling for me). In Germany they are putting people
in plastic bags and
doing them with ozone generators so i guess that is what started to get
me over my fear of it, yet,
still, i donot trust it. OH, yes, one more thing: the sucker really
works. You will get rid of every
stinking smell, speck of mold etc. in your house, and your sniffer will
get well - i promise . . .
well, almost. You will still have to do all the other stuff, and
especially your digestive system:
that is the number one thing that will upset your sinuses. Get that?
"NUMBER ONE THING".
For that i watch my diet, take lots of organic yogurt and raw garlic,
AZO yeast (drug store); and
a half a hundred other things. You have to wage war on fungus or it
will take you. Once it gets
you down, it willnot quit until you are dead thus a delightful feast
for the fungus.

Fungus is the kingdom and everything else is under it: candida,
aspergillus, cancer (cancer is a
fungus (yeast fungus)), mold etc. Fungus is Earth's digestive system
along with maggots etc.
When Candida attacks you, it is because you are dying. If you clear up
your sinuses you have
cheated death, not fungus. In other words there is something causing
your sinus problem, and if
you donot find out what it is, it will kill you via a slow, agonizing
death, and Candida will be your daily companion.

Now that i have Titanium dioxide bulbs all over the house; have run the
ozonerator off and on,
off and on, off and on, plus every time i left the house (had to take
the animals with me), for
about 9 months,  i have removed the ozone bulbs from the generator and
have replaced them
with one UVC bulb, which is in my bedroom. The UVC bulb isnot nearly as
scary- we know
what it does to you: it destroys your eyes and gives you skin cancer if
you look at the bulb and let
it- uh- "shine" on you. I am letting the rest of the house
hopefully make it on the Titanum
dioxide bulbs (called "Ozone bulbs" on the Internet). I have a lot
of "original", Hunter, ceiling
fans and air filters of two different types going 24/7, so now i can
rest a little. I often pick up a
bloody nose from walking across a filthy, parking lot on a windy day,
and when near WalMart's
dirty, moldy refrigeration units, so i wear a surgical mask sometimes
when i go out. I try to stay
away from crowds, and eat out only when i want to make my candida happy
by taking an
antibiotic afterward, because every time i eat out i get Trench Mouth -
Doc sez my immune
system it "Good". I guess that means i donot have A.I.D.S, only
diabetes so they are now telling
me . . .

Bye and good luck to you, Jim. Let the war begin!

paminifarm.com
Murray Grossan - 24 May 2005 15:49 GMT
On 5/24/05 12:44 AM, in article
1116920658.915216.78200@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Harry"
<paminifarm3@netscape.net> wrote:

> i simply slip me an antibiotic or two or three over a
> day or two period.

Not only will taking an antibiotic a day or two whenever develop resistant
organisms for you, but for your friends and neighbors too.
Unless you take the full dose of the antibiotic, you develop more resistant
organisms.
That's what happened to Cipro. People took it for a couple of days, stopped,
and now the bacteria are resistant.
Susan - 24 May 2005 16:03 GMT
> On 5/24/05 12:44 AM, in article
> 1116920658.915216.78200@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Harry"
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> That's what happened to Cipro. People took it for a couple of days, stopped,
> and now the bacteria are resistant.

I have a question in that vein; why is irrigation with abx less likely
to cause resistance?

Susan
Murray Grossan - 25 May 2005 07:10 GMT
On 5/24/05 8:03 AM, in article 3fgu26F7lg1tU1@individual.net, "Susan"
<nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:

> x-no-archive: yes
>
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>
> Susan
When you use ABX via the Hydro pulse you use the full dose.
When you take one day or a pill, you only "stun" the bacteria, and as they
recover they learn to develop resistance to that antibiotic.
Worse, persons who take a pill or two of ABX when they "need it" will not be
cureable with an antibiotic when they need it.
Harry - 25 May 2005 08:04 GMT
Hello, Murray,

If i took a "full" dose of anything, it would kill me. The way i am
doing it i am keeping the polyps away, which as i said before the last
polyp surgery nearly killed me. Considering my age, i donot have to
worry about the "resistance" to the antibiotic. At this point the only
thing iam trying to do is stay alive another day or two at a time, and
to do that i must keep the polyps away. They are coming out with new
medicines so fast now-a-days, i feel it is silly to worry about the
"resistance". Another thing: before the bacteria get their
"resistance", i willhave developed an "allergy" to it anyway. Also if
you remember correctly i said it is the Candida (fungus) that gets us
all in the end, not the "bacteria". Further more all any medication
does in the first place is to "stun", and then it is up to the body
(immune system) to finish the job, so if i can do my "stun" with just a
little bit, why should i do what another person needs to do: the whole
nine yards (the full 10 days), to get their "stun". If every morning, a
builder needs three eggs, 4 bacon, two toast, a large orange juice, and
a pot of coffee with cream for breakfast, to sustain him 'till a large
pizza lunch with large coke, you think i should do that too? Yes? So
you want me dead? Well, in my case it is the same thing with
anitbiotics: i cannot take antibiotics, and i cannot not take them, so
for now i have found my happy-medium, and when it stops working, i
simply die.

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