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Jetta - 30 Oct 2003 20:09 GMT
Hello all

I have been reading posts on your site and have learned so much.  I
have ordered the book by the Dr. here on your site but have not
recieved it yet.  I have tried to irrigate using my water pik without
the tip and by pouring the water up the nose and letting it run out
the other nostril.  I do not feel like the water is going anywhere but
in the nose and right back out.  Am I supposed to blow out or suck in
while doing this, how do you get the water to actually get into the
sinu.  Nothing comes out with the irrigation just the clear water.
Thanks in advance for the info

Jet
Oliver - 06 Nov 2003 04:58 GMT
Jet:

Irrigating with a water pik without the Grossan tip probably will not work
well.  It will work better once you have the Grossan tip, or use a neti pot.
When you get this working properly, the water should gently flow up one
nostrile, and out the other.  There is some controversy about whether or not
the fluid actually flushes the sinuses, or if it just runs up one side of
your nose and out the other.  Personally, I think the water just runs in one
side and out the other.  But, that seems to be enough.  In this case, a
picture is worth a thousand words.  I am not using this website for any
reason other than to show the picture of what should happen, whether you use
the Grossan system or a neti pot, or other device.  What is pictured in this
photo is a neti pot.  (If you decide to buy a neti pot, the plastic ones
have a really strong plastic odor to them, which might be irritating to you.
This can be seasoned out by boiling them a few times, and alternating a day
long soak in water and baking soda.  Eventually they stop smelling.
Otherwise use a ceramic or metal version.  The Grossan system has no odor,
but is more difficult to travel with.

http://www.nutraceutic.com/Products/Ayurveda/AncientSecrets/ancientsecretsne
tipot.htm

I run about 250 ml through each nostrile, with no inhale or exhaling through
the nose.  I breath normally through my mouth during the process.  After
each nostrile is "rinsed", I gently blow my nose, and what comes out comes
out.  It's not always that a lot of mucus is expelled.  The key thing is to
bathe the ostium (sinus openings), rinse away allergens, and to rinse away
any mucus that is in the way.

The mixture I use is 1000 ml bottled water, 1 1/2 tsp granulated non-iodized
table salt, 1/4 tsp baking soda, mixed well, just before use.  During the
winter I warm the water to the touch just because it's too cold otherwise.
Too hot is a bad thing, and too cold bothers me.  There are a lot of
mixtures that other people use, with all types of ingredients that I'm not
so sure are a good idea.

The whole process should be very gentle.  Never force the liquid into your
nose, and only blow gently.

Also, be sure to discuss this and any other treatment of any kind with your
ENT or Allergist.  I've found that most have at least heard of this process,
and it's best to review it with them to make sure that there are no special
risks to you and your particular situation.

Helpfull?

-O

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Oliver - 06 Nov 2003 05:11 GMT
That link got split.... you'll have to type it in, or try this one....

http://www.nutraceutic.com/Products/Yoga/Neti/netipot.htm

http://www.nutraceutic.com/Products/Ayurveda/AncientSecrets/ancientsecretsne
tipot.htm

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> Otherwise use a ceramic or metal version.  The Grossan system has no odor,
> but is more difficult to travel with.

http://www.nutraceutic.com/Products/Ayurveda/AncientSecrets/ancientsecretsne
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> out.  It's not always that a lot of mucus is expelled.  The key thing is to
> bathe the ostium (sinus openings), rinse away allergens, and to rinse away

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ENTconsult - 06 Nov 2003 17:06 GMT
Pulsatile irrigation is based on the work of Arthur Proetz of Boston and
Bernoulli of Italy.
when a stream passes a narrow opening it creats a vacuum and displaces the
contents of the chamber. So the stream from the pulsating device passing the
op;eings of the sinuses "vacuums" out the contents and replaces it with
salinel.
Post treatment x rays show the sinuses contain the saline. Also , for minutes
afterwards when the cilia resume movement all this liquid comes out.
The pulsatile irrigation has the advantage that in addition to the stream
effect you also have the pulsation effect which makes the displacement more
effective, also removing stale mucus and "waving" the cilia.

Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
http://www.hydromedonline.com
Johnny1000@webtv.net - 06 Nov 2003 23:06 GMT
Ahhaa.. The Bernoulli low pressure theory.             ....Although I
bend every which way after irrigating to get any trapped water out, sure
enough, a few hours later I bend over (usually when someone is
watching), and bang... Out it pours.  ...This water obviously wasn't
just sitting around somewhere in the open space between the nostrils;
hence, it had to have come from the sinuses..    ....Jon
 
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