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Shirley - 29 Apr 2005 04:07 GMT
Is it normal, after using a nasal rinse, in this case Hydra Sense Gentle
Mist, to have some blood in the discharge? Not a lot, and mostly pale, not
bright red.
Shirley Thebaglady - 29 Apr 2005 12:40 GMT
Shirley, I had blood coming out with Nasacort. That was after a sinus
infection.
Most of the saline rinses seem to give me a burning sensation.

I am okay useing Simply Saline rinse. It has purified water and 0.9%
sodium chloride. It is very gentle and I can use it in the morning and
evening.

If I just have a stuffy nose in the morning and it feels dry I use it
for a day. I was useing it all winter as my house is so dry.

shirley
Shirley - 29 Apr 2005 16:59 GMT
> Shirley, I had blood coming out with Nasacort. That was after a sinus
> infection.
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>
> shirley

Thanks for your reply.
I'm just not sure if I should be using a rinse if it causes bleeding. I'm so
confused.
Murray Grossan - 30 Apr 2005 04:38 GMT
On 4/29/05 8:59 AM, in article TRsce.13876$gA5.781747@news20.bellglobal.com,

> Thanks for your reply.
> I'm just not sure if I should be using a rinse if it causes bleeding. I'm so
> confused.
Actually Simple Saline is therapeutic if you are having nose bleeding due to
dryness, but you still need to find out why the bleeding. Nine times out of
10 it is just the dryness or the cortisone spray, but there is another one
in 10. Simple saline won't make the bleeding worse and is OK to use.
Murray Grossan - 29 Apr 2005 19:52 GMT
On 4/28/05 8:07 PM, in article Exhce.13678$gA5.727451@news20.bellglobal.com,

> Is it normal, after using a nasal rinse, in this case Hydra Sense Gentle
> Mist, to have some blood in the discharge? Not a lot, and mostly pale, not
> bright red.

Getting blood back when you blow or rinse is not normal and indicates
something needs treatment.
Shirley - 29 Apr 2005 21:43 GMT
> On 4/28/05 8:07 PM, in article
> Exhce.13678$gA5.727451@news20.bellglobal.com,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Getting blood back when you blow or rinse is not normal and indicates
> something needs treatment.

Thanks for your reply.
I had a severe sinus infection that lasted for months, and that gave me a
lot of bloody mucous.
I had developed nasal ulcers and sores inside my nose that scabbed over and
bled. I'm wondering if it's just still raw inside and that's why I bleed?
It's not a lot and not every day. Seems like when I use a rinse that I get
some faint blood.
My last sinus x-ray showed a retention cyst, but I was told not to worry
about it. Could that cause the bleed? Or, do allergies sometimes cause it?
I appreciate your responses to myself, and all others that inquire. It's
great to have someone like you that is so knowing and cares enough to
respond.
Murray Grossan - 30 Apr 2005 04:43 GMT
On 4/29/05 1:43 PM, in article D%wce.14035$gA5.801686@news20.bellglobal.com,

> I had developed nasal ulcers and sores inside my nose that scabbed over and
> bled. I'm wondering if it's just still raw inside and that's why I bleed?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> great to have someone like you that is so knowing and cares enough to
> respond
Scabs and "bookgers" means your nose is too dry and your cilia are not
working. Try moisturizing gel. Most are good. The advantage of Breathe.ease
XL Nasal Gel (my Hydro Med Product) is that the tip slides into the soft
part of the nose so there is no waste and the gel goes where its needed.
Shirley - 01 May 2005 01:05 GMT
> On 4/29/05 1:43 PM, in article
> D%wce.14035$gA5.801686@news20.bellglobal.com,
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> XL Nasal Gel (my Hydro Med Product) is that the tip slides into the soft
> part of the nose so there is no waste and the gel goes where its needed.

Thanks, Dr. Grossan,
I will carry on with the saline rinse, then, and also take a look at your
site and your products.
I think I do blow too hard, trying to get the mucous out. Would that rupture
small capillaries & cause bleeds? The bleeding is never enough to even run
out, just enough to panic me, after going through that bad sinus infection.
Another thin I wonder about is the awful drainage in the mornings. Rather
metallic tasting and bubbly, often very white, then an hour or so later I
cough up what appears to be clear with brown yuck in it. Any idea if that
could be from drainage occurring overnight?
Do you ship to Canada, should I decide to order from you?
Regards,
Murray Grossan - 01 May 2005 04:40 GMT
On 4/30/05 5:05 PM, in article 03Vce.15803$gA5.975854@news20.bellglobal.com,

>> On 4/29/05 1:43 PM, in article
>> D%wce.14035$gA5.801686@news20.bellglobal.com,
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> Do you ship to Canada, should I decide to order from you?
> Regards,

Of course blowing too hard can cause bleeding, but what I think I am hearing
from you is that your nasal membranes are too thin and the cilia aren't
doing their job.
Yes, Hydro Med at www.hydromedonline.com ships to Canada.

Suggest warm compresses to the sinus area to get good blood flowing into the
area.
Shirley - 01 May 2005 04:58 GMT
> On 4/30/05 5:05 PM, in article
> 03Vce.15803$gA5.975854@news20.bellglobal.com,
[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
> the
> area.

Thanks for your quick reply. I was just checking your site online when I
discovered this email.
I've been told by a couple of doctors that the nasal membranes are very
thin. Any chance they'll thicken up? I had been exposed to heavy metals from
a neighbour's burning of treated woods that infiltrated our home over the
past 3 years, and began experiencing sinus problems and infections. We have
been away from our home for about 6 months and are headed to court on
Tuesday for an injunction to stop him from burning anything from now on. We
will be having our home cleaned thoroughly by professionals, painted, and
new carpeting installed, and the air tested again before we move back in. It
has been quite a struggle and I'm hoping that all these problems will ease
up once the air is safe to breathe again.
Moshup Trail - 08 May 2005 13:06 GMT
<snip>
"Murray Grossan" <hydromed@adelphia.net> wrote>>
> Of course blowing too hard can cause bleeding, but what I think I am
> hearing
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> the
> area.

Question: When cilia aren't doing their job, do they ever heal?  Do some
people get to a point where the cilia are just "dead" (for lack of a better
term) and they have to replace the cilia action with rinsing?  Or, can
gentle rinsing and other ENT recommended treatments eventually allow cilia
to recover?
Murray Grossan - 09 May 2005 05:04 GMT
On 5/8/05 5:06 AM, in article W76dnSyCpcpRnePfRVn-jw@adelphia.com, "Moshup
Trail" <moshuptrail@nospam.com> wrote:

> <snip>
> "Murray Grossan" <hydromed@adelphia.net> wrote>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> gentle rinsing and other ENT recommended treatments eventually allow cilia
> to recover?

Generally slow cilia return to normal function.
 
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