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I just don't understand - How can this be normal

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Dball63 - 10 Mar 2005 22:46 GMT
I've been to every doctor in town. Now I've even been to Mayo and still
they say my sinuses look normal and there is nothing that can be done.
Yet I feel horrible. My sinuses are constantly draining crap all day or
closed up so I can't breath at all and sometimes both if you can
believe that. How the hell can this be normal. I feel like a sinus
monster of some sort. I just don't understand??? How can my sinuses be
normal with all this trouble??

David
Sacramento, CA
Steven L. - 10 Mar 2005 23:09 GMT
> I've been to every doctor in town. Now I've even been to Mayo and still
> they say my sinuses look normal and there is nothing that can be done.
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> monster of some sort. I just don't understand??? How can my sinuses be
> normal with all this trouble??

Listen to Mayo carefully.  They said your sinuses *looked* normal on
whatever CT scan or endoscopic examination they did of you.  That
doesn't mean they *are* normal.

I have had two surgeries thus far and each time my CT scan looked
normal.  I had to find a surgeon who was willing to trust my symptoms
and medical history over what the CT scan and other tests showed.  And
when he did the surgery, he found problems in my sinuses that hadn't
shown up well on the CT scan.  That was true in BOTH of the surgeries I
had thus far.  Each time, my surgeon was surprised to find things in my
sinuses were worse than the CT scan had indicated.

So I suggest you do the same.  Keep looking for doctors who are aware
that even CT scans have about a 5% rate of false negatives and are
willing to disregard the CT scan in order to help you.

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Shirley Thebaglady - 11 Mar 2005 13:14 GMT
Have you been checked by an Allergist MD?

I have those symptoms if I do not take my allergy meds to dry some of
the fluid up.
I've had days that I felt like a shower was running in my head.( head
filled with water)  My eyes and nose had water running down my cheeks.  
The sneezing - 10 times at a time and could not stop them.

The mornings are the worst in the Spring and Summer.

shirley
Dball63 - 11 Mar 2005 19:01 GMT
I've tried everything that I know of. Prick tests and bloodworkup for
allergies twice. Food allergies looked for as well. Nothing!
Don Brady - 12 Mar 2005 00:04 GMT
>I've tried everything that I know of. Prick tests and bloodworkup for
>allergies twice. Food allergies looked for as well. Nothing!

Try eliminating dust and mold anyway as mich as possible,

Many many people are sensitive to those even if not strictly speaking allergic.
Steven L. - 12 Mar 2005 01:48 GMT
> I've tried everything that I know of. Prick tests and bloodworkup for
> allergies twice. Food allergies looked for as well. Nothing!

Your symptoms are so similar to mine that I keep coming back to the fact
that chronic sinusitis is hard to diagnose.  There are no 100% reliable
tests for it--not even CT scans.

I had three ENTs swear that I didn't have chronic sinusitis because the
CT scans and nasal endoscopies showed nothing.

The only real way to know for sure what is going on in your sinuses is
to have the ENT push his endoscope all the way thru your sinus ducts
into your sinus cavities.  And that is usually done only as part of a
surgical procedure.

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Dball63 - 12 Mar 2005 07:37 GMT
I feel like I have some sort of thing living in my sinuses. Either
bacterial or fungal, that is what I feel. I've been to the best doctors
in my area and as well out of the area too. Do I just keep searching to
find a doctor that will correctly diagnose me? Is it not enough for my
local docs to search further when I keep coming back complaining of the
same syptoms? I just understand their thinking! I keep coming back and
telling them that I am miserable and they tell me I'm normal! What the
hell? I know I'm not normal, my poor wife knows I'm no where near
normal. She has to listen to me constantly blowing my nose, sniffing,
snorting, spiting in the sink and all the stuff that goes along with it
and she never complains but she also knows and sees that what is coming
out of my sinuses is nowhere near normal.
Don Brady - 12 Mar 2005 09:22 GMT
>I feel like I have some sort of thing living in my sinuses.

Very unlikely in your case.  More likely you are just sensitive to irritants.
So are a lot of us.

Also you need to *experiment* to see if the previous hypthesis is correct.  

Does your nose ever feel better and open up wide and stop draining?  E.g if you
are sitting by a wide-open window in the right  weather?   Mine sure as heck
does and I have vastly improved my condition by greatly inreasing air exchange
with outside air.

>Either
>bacterial or fungal, that is what I feel.
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>and she never complains but she also knows and sees that what is coming
>out of my sinuses is nowhere near normal.

Steroid sprays, and possibly irrigation should largely eliminate those
symptoms.

Also have a good *internist* check for low thyroid (try to get the actual TSH
numeric value and post it here, not just a conclusion),  anemia, white blood
cell morphology, and fasting B12 level.   The internist will know why you want
those.

Also get enough sleep.   This affects your natural corisone level cycle and
will reduce inflammation significantly.
Steven L. - 13 Mar 2005 00:52 GMT
> I feel like I have some sort of thing living in my sinuses. Either
> bacterial or fungal, that is what I feel. I've been to the best doctors
> in my area and as well out of the area too. Do I just keep searching to
> find a doctor that will correctly diagnose me? Is it not enough for my
> local docs to search further when I keep coming back complaining of the
> same syptoms?

No.  You wouldn't keep arguing and cajoling your auto mechanic if he
repeatedly failed to fix your car properly.  You would just take your
business elsewhere, right?

The magazine U.S. News & World Report does an annual list of the best
hospitals in each department.  Here's ENT:

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/health/hosptl/rankings/specihqotol.htm

Depending on where you live, I would try one of those.

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Dball63 - 13 Mar 2005 09:57 GMT
I've heard good things about Stanford. I may try there in a few months.

Thanks for everyones replies to my post.

David
Sacramento, CA
Murray Grossan - 15 Mar 2005 07:46 GMT
On 3/11/05 11:01 AM, in article
1110567684.948737.139980@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Dball63"
<dball63@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I've tried everything that I know of. Prick tests and bloodworkup for
> allergies twice. Food allergies looked for as well. Nothing!

As a rule, addiction to steroid nasal sprays is rare. Some persons however
continue to use it because of the relief it give them, but that's not the
same as rebound addiciton you get with Afrin.
Don Brady - 11 Mar 2005 02:20 GMT
>I've been to every doctor in town. Now I've even been to Mayo and still
>they say my sinuses look normal and there is nothing that can be done.
>Yet I feel horrible. My sinuses are constantly draining crap all day or
>closed up

You do not breathe through your sinuses.  You are confused about anatomy.

>so I can't breath at all and sometimes both if you can
>believe that.

That means your turbinates are swollen and has nothing to do with your sinuses.

An allergist can help you.

>How the hell can this be normal. I feel like a sinus
>monster of some sort. I just don't understand??? How can my sinuses be
>normal with all this trouble??

I would get a second opinion elsewhere.   You would be well advised to go to
another place of similar high reputation to Mayo.  Otherwise you will find
yourself assuming that Mayo's would be the better opinion.

Mayo is very conservative about diagnosing sinusitis  -sometimes that's good
but not always..

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