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michael - 15 Mar 2005 10:31 GMT I have struggled with a sinus infection that started 4 years ago after about 1 year my lungs became infected ..this started a roller coaster health ride for me ...many antibiotics , inhalers, and way too much predisone ,,,pred use was almost constant the last 3 years ...anyway seems alot of you here have similar troubles.
I found the following on the web the interesting thing is long term prednisone use depresses the immune system leading to opertunistic infections the biggie is PCP.
I talked my Dr. into a rx for bactrim ...what a drastic change for the better..lungs are clear and sinus is the best its been for 3 years..
I'm still taking bactrim so I am hoping the sinus also totally clears we'll see....so here is some food for thought. ....Michael
Bactrim, an antibacterial combination drug, is prescribed for the treatment of certain urinary tract infections, severe middle ear infections in children, long-lasting or frequently recurring bronchitis in adults that has increased in seriousness, inflammation of the intestine due to a severe bacterial infection, and travelers' diarrhea in adults. Bactrim is also prescribed for the treatment of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia, and for prevention of this type of pneumonia in people with weakened immune systems.
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Sulfamethoxazole, an ingredient in Bactrim, is one of a group of drugs called sulfonamides, which prevent the growth of bacteria in the body. Rare but sometimes fatal reactions have occurred with use of sulfonamides. These reactions include Stevens-Johnson syndrome (severe eruptions around the mouth, anus, or eyes), progressive disintegration of the outer layer of the skin, sudden and severe liver damage, a severe blood disorder (agranulocytosis), and a lack of red and white blood cells because of a bone marrow disorder.
Notify your doctor at the first sign of an adverse reaction such as skin rash, sore throat, fever, joint pain, cough, shortness of breath, abnormal skin paleness, reddish or purplish skin spots, or yellowing of the skin or whites of the eyes.
Frequent blood counts by a doctor are recommended for patients taking sulfonamide drugs.
Treatment of Pneumocystis Carinii Pneumonia
The recommended dosage is 15 to 20 milligrams of trimethoprim and 75 to 100 milligrams of sulfamethoxazole per 2.2 pounds of body weight per 24 hours divided into equal doses every 6 hours for 14 to 21 days.
For the treatment of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (PCP):
a.. Adults and children older than 2 months-Dose is based on body weight. The usual dose is 18.75 to 25 mg of sulfamethoxazole and 3.75 to 5 mg of trimethoprim per kg (8.5 to 11.4 mg of sulfamethoxazole and 1.7 to 2.3 mg of trimethoprim per pound) of body weight every six hours.
Causes: PCP occurs only in immunocompromised individuals, particularly patients with cell-mediated immune deficiencies. Patients at risk include the following:
a.. Persons infected with HIV a.. CD4 count less than 200 and not on PCP prophylaxis a.. Evidence of oropharyngeal thrush or fever, regardless of CD4 count a.. Patients with HIV who have undergone splenectomy - May have spuriously high CD4 count a.. Patients with hematologic malignancies a.. Patients on long-term steroids or immunosuppressant therapy, including patients with systemic vasculitis or other autoimmune diseases a.. Organ-transplant recipients a.. Patients with other immune deficiencies a.. Thymic dysplasia a.. Severe combined immunodeficiency a.. Hypogammaglobulinemia a.. Patients with severe malnutrition
Drugs for Treatment of PCP
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Trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole (Bactrim, Septra) 5 mg per kg of trimethoprim component every 8 hours, IV or orally (for most patients, oral dosage is 2 double- strength tablets three times daily)
kathywb2001@yahoo.com - 17 Mar 2005 19:16 GMT Michael,
I think that you would only have PCP if you are greatly immunocomprimised as in AIDS or chemotherapy. However, I agree with you that the use of prednisone does suppress the immune system and can cause you to be more susceptible to infection. I was on low dose for a year and I now have a very resistant bacterium that is rarely found in the sinuses. Bactrim is supposed to be the main drug of choice for it also, but I was on it for a month with no improvement. I even got worse, so that's why I am now on IV antibiotics. However, that said, I have read that many bacteria that had developed a resistance to bactrim are now susceptible to it since it isn't used much anymore, (you probably already know this, but it is a sulfa drug, the first class of antibitocs ever used) so it is probably a good drug for many situations. So maybe that's why you are responding so well to it. I had taken it several times before, so maybe that's why I didn't respond very well to it. I hope you continue to improve on it.
Kathyw
P.S. This is only my opinion.
michael - 18 Mar 2005 03:10 GMT Hello kathy....here are a couple of studies linking P C P and Prednisone use ......your view is not correct.... Mahalo Michael
Heart Lung. 2002 Jan-Feb;31(1):50-2. Related Articles, Links
Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia presenting as a fever of unknown origin in a patient without AIDS.
Jani K, Mehta NJ.
State University of New York Health Science Center, Division of Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine, Brooklyn, USA.
Pneumocystis Carinii pneumonia (PCP) remains an opportunistic infection that causes substantial morbidity and mortality in patients who have impaired immune function. PCP in patients who do not have AIDS usually manifests in a more fulminant manner than in patients with AIDS. In recent years, PCP has been reported increasingly in patients with connective tissue disorders. The role of corticosteroids in inducing PCP is well established in humans and animals, though information is currently lacking about the exact mechanism of induction, frequency, dosage, and duration of corticosteroid therapy that predisposes the development of PCP across a variety of patient groups. Until earlier diagnosis and a better understanding of who is at risk are readily available, health care providers need to consider the diagnosis of PCP early in the clinical course of any patient who receives systemic steroid therapy. We report a case of PCP in a patient who took oral steroid treatment for 2 months for suspected connective tissue disorder. The patient presented with a fever of unknown origin. The case is unusual because the patient's serial chest x-ray and gallium scan yielded normal findings and no suggestive respiratory signs or symptoms were found. The only suggestive finding was a consistently elevated serum lactate dehydrogenase level. The diagnosis was established by the identification of Pneumocystic carinii in bronchoalveolar lavage fluid.
Publication Types: a.. Case Reports
PMID: 11805750 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Infection. 2000 Jul-Aug;28(4):227-30. Related Articles, Links
Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia as a complication of immunosuppressive therapy.
Gluck T, Geerdes-Fenge HF, Straub RH, Raffenberg M, Lang B, Lode H, Scholmerich J.
Dept. of Internal Medicine I, University Medical Center, University of Regensburg, Germany. thomas.glueck@Klinik.uni-regensburg.de
BACKGROUND: Patients receiving immunosuppressive therapy with corticosteroids and cytotoxic agents may develop opportunistic infections such as Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (PCP). This indicates a severe T-cell defect, but so far there are no established criteria for identifying patients at risk. PATIENTS AND METHODS: CD4+ and CD8+ T-lymphocyte counts were determined by flow cytometry in seven HIV-negative patients who developed PCP as a complication of immunosuppressive treatment. RESULTS: CD4+ T-lymphocyte counts (T-helper phenotype) were less than 200/microl in all seven patients (mean 90.6/microl). The markedly reduced CD4 counts measured in these patients are similar to those observed in organ transplant recipients who developed PCP during immunosuppressive therapy for prevention of graft rejection and in HIV-positive patients with PCP as an AIDS-defining illness. CONCLUSION: Measuring CD4+ T-lymphocyte counts may be helpful in determining the risk of PCP not only in HIV-positive patients, but also in patients receiving immunosuppressive therapy. The risk of acquiring PCP seems to increase when CD4+ lymphocyte counts drop below 200/microl, regardless of the underlying disease.
Publication Types: a.. Case Reports
PMID: 10961529 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Rheumatology (Oxford). 2004 Apr;43(4):479-85. Epub 2004 Feb 3. RESULTS: Detection of P. carinii DNA by PCR was significantly more sensitive than cytology; 54.5% patients were positive by PCR and only 4.5% by cytology. The prevalence of PCP was higher than previously considered and was especially high in patients receiving > 30 mg/day prednisolone with or without other immunosuppressants.
CONCLUSIONS: PCP may complicate a variety of immunocompromised states especially autoimmune diseases and hematologic malignancy. Patients who receive corticosteroids and/or cytotoxic drugs should receive primary PCP prophylaxis. The mortality rate is high especially in severe cases that need mechanical ventilation. Intensive care and close monitoring are needed for these patients.
PMID: 12948254 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
CONCLUSION: Although these results do not suggest that premorbid administration of corticosteroids is the only factor that contributes to the development of P. carinii pneumonia in these patients, they show that, in this large consecutive series, systemic corticosteroid therapy, even in moderate doses, was administered to most patients during the month preceding the onset of P. carinii pneumonia. Consideration should be given to instituting P. carinii prophylaxis (when not contra-indicated) in patients for whom prolonged systemic corticosteroid therapy is prescribed. PMID: 8538233 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia in patients with ulcerative colitis treated with corticosteroids.
Bernstein CN, Kolodny M, Block E, Shanahan F.
Department of Medicine, University of California, Los Angeles.
Today, Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (PCP) is typically associated with AIDS. However, in the pre-AIDS era, PCP was known to be associated with various immunodeficiency states, malignancies, and immunosuppressive therapy, particularly the use of corticosteroids. PCP has been reported to occur during immuno-suppressive therapy of some chronic inflammatory states, but it has never been reported in patients with inflammatory bowel disease. We report two patients with ulcerative colitis who developed PCP during high-dose corticosteroid therapy, and review the literature regarding non-AIDS PCP. PCP should thus be added to the list of bronchopulmonary complications in inflammatory bowel disease. This report should give gastroenterologists further impetus to limit immunosuppressive therapy to its minimal effective dose.
Publication Types: a.. Case Reports
kathywb2001@yahoo.com - 18 Mar 2005 04:21 GMT My appologies. Did you actually have this cultured?
RicAnne - 18 Mar 2005 06:43 GMT hello kathy....Yes cultured many times always negative....however I was almost constantly on antibiotics....Mahalo Michael
> My appologies. Did you actually have this cultured? kathywb2001@yahoo.com - 18 Mar 2005 18:48 GMT Michael,
I'm still a little confused about the PCP. Do you think that you have this or did one of your doctors diagnose you with this or is this something that you are questioning? I am not trying to be difficult, but I have suffered from this horrible sinus crap for many years without getting a correct diagnosis and treatment until it had gone too far. I had to quit my job two years ago and this past year I have thought I was going to die I have felt so bad (and many times just wished that I would), so I know where you are coming from.. I kept trying to figure out what was going on myself. My PC doctor diagnosed me with chronic sinusitis many years ago, but it was difficult getting an ENT to agree. As a matter of fact I had to go out of state to find an ENT to do surgery and I did have significant ethmoid disease. This didn't help for long. I kept having a lot of post nasal drip and continued to cough up mostly brown junk and it got so bad that I too was on inhalers and oral prednisone along with the many antibiotics. I was also diagnosed with mild asthma, but since then have had totally negative methicholine challenge tests. I even had chest X rays that showed COPD twice during this period, but they are totally normal now. I was diagnosed at one time with a small amount of bronchiectasis in my left lung, but it only showed up on CT scan once. I even went to National Jewish in Denver and had a bronchscopy that showed purulent secretions in my left lung and it was so inflamed that it bled (so I coughed up blood clots for about a week). They couldn't do lavage from that lung so they did it from the other lung which didn't grow anything, so they attributed it all to reflux. I do have reflux and take Nexium, but 2 GI docs have said that it would not cause that much inflammation. NJ did diagnose minimal chronic ethmoid sinusitis from a very detailed CT scan (most of the ones that I have had done at or near my home town have been limited and I think they miss a lot. ) They didn't advise any treatment other than Flonase and nasal washes. The report that I got back said there was reactive bone formation which they attributed to surgery on my original report. However, I got a more detailed report recently that said this could be old osteomyelitis. I finally found an ENT to do an actual sinus culture through endoscopy, even tough he still insisted that everything looked fine. This is how I found out about the blastomyces mold and the Stenotrophomnas bacteria. I would have never in my lifetime have considered either one of these as the cause. I was on Sporanox for 2 months and since then the mold cultures have been negative, but the stenotrophomas has cultured out twice.. I am finally being treated by an infectious disease doctor who specializes in chronic sinusitis. I am also having to go out of state for treatment every other week, but am doing the IVs at home. He has diagnosed me with osteomyelitis. I am hoping this works because it is my last resort. I write all of this in hopes that others won't have to suffer as I have. That's why I keep telling people with chronic sinus problems that they should have direct sinus cultures (not from the discharge or mucus you blow out your nose or cough up) while off of antibiotics. I had this done about 20 times all total and it never showed anything except a different mold a couple of times. I hope that you continue to improve on the Bactrim. Maybe if you get the right antibiotic and get the infection cleared up, then you won't have to take oral prednisone or at least not as often.
Cheers!! Kathy
P.S. I worked in an extremely moldy school for over 25 years and am 99+ % sure that it caused or exaberated my symptoms.
michael - 19 Mar 2005 03:26 GMT Hello Kathy... No doctors diagnosis as all tests were negative ..but PCP is very hard to test...I landed on PCP at the end of a 4 year roller coaster health ride ,,I have been treated for everything else with antibiotics at least 9 differnt ones ..inhalers ---nebulizer--prednisone---countless xrays and ct scans ....so by process of elimination PCP was the only one possible .............Keep in mind PCP infection seems to only affect an immune system that is depressed by constant long term prednisone therapy or other disease .....So just because you take prednisone doesnt mean you'll get PCP but the longer you take it at higher doses the more it becomes a possibility... I also was on .Sporanox then switched to fungizone 1% nose irrigation solution that has to be custom mixed .....I had 4 surgeries and no mold would grow from samples taken also negative on the swab samples.during office visits..I was told mole is tough to grow also.... I am currently on bactrim but my doc only wants me to take 2 ds tab daily however I picked up a refill early and am taking 4 tabs daily lungs feeling better each day though sinus is still a problem ....Mahalo Michael
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> Michael, > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > P.S. I worked in an extremely moldy school for over 25 years and am > 99+ % sure that it caused or exaberated my symptoms. Joy - 18 Mar 2005 05:03 GMT Do you think your "asthma" was different in any way from what you understand asthma to be? Like instead of just having triggered attacks, did you have tiredness, fevers, constant SOB? Did you have more frequent illnesses or any sign that you were infected?
Joy
michael - 18 Mar 2005 09:11 GMT Hello Joy.....always tired and low grade fever ...never had what i would call a triggered attack except the one time I mowed the lower pasture without a mask...almost constant antibiotics therapy always changing to different one ...sometimes I could go almost 3 weeks before my sweetie drug me to the doc..I was on prednisone for 11 months for sinus infections along with many antibiotics ..My G P then sent me to ent to see if my new chest infection was connected to the nose problem ent says yes I think so ..so at the end of the 11 months i had my first sinus surgery and more antibiotics/prednisone .......My G P then about 2 months after the 1st sinus surgery sends me to a lung specialist who says ASTHMA .............the sinus surgeries continued 3 more times for the next two and one half years and more antibiotics/prednisone therapy............I then changed doctors ..Mahalo...Michael
> Do you think your "asthma" was different in any way from what you > understand [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Joy Joy - 18 Mar 2005 14:29 GMT Yeah,
I had a bunch of trouble - inhaled steroids were in fact systemic for me. It does irritate me that they are the "drug of choice" for asthma because when you tell a doc you can't take them, they in fact seem unable to offer other suggestions (falling on the antibiotic resistance thing).
Right now I am OK on Singulair and Albuterol, but I know if things get bad, it will be back to the terrible steroids. And like you, I am facing sinus surgery every couple of years. I sure would like for them to figure this out. Come to think of it, I had low grade fevers that I thought I could attribute to my tonsils. Since having them out over a year ago, I haven't taken my temp. Hmmmm.
Joy
> Hello Joy.....always tired and low grade fever ...never had what i would > call a triggered attack except the one time I mowed the lower pasture [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > Joy
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