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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / March 2005Seriousness of sinus infection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For What It's Worth: I don't mean to scare anyone but this was in the Obituaries of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution Tuesday, March 1, 2005 so you can verify it. It is on the Internet at www.ajc.com page B5. "He came down with a sinus infection Thursday and died of meningitis Sunday at Kennestone Wellstar Hospital. . ." I realize this is probably a rarity but it shows it does happen. Now, I am a male, 64 years old and I have suffered with sinus problems all my life. About two years ago the problems got more serious. First, I contacted pneumonia and it took three different antibiotics and four months to get rid of that. Then I contacted pleurisy and more time and antibiotics. Finally recovered from that and then serious sinus infections started in January 2004. Took two treatments of serious antibiotics. Then repeated virus infections. Stuffed up head and sinuses. Chills aches and pains. I have two grandsons who are ages 6 and 4. They keep colds all the time and every time I was around them I got a virus infection resulting in sinus infection, headache, aches and chills. Not serious enough for medical treatment but knocked me off my feet for a day or two. It was an ongoing condition. I was searching for answers all the time. I tried many nasal sprays even the upside spray with the mixture of hydrogen peroxide and distilled water. This was posted here. Nothing worked. I was becoming disabled and afraid to be around my grandsons. Then I made the discovery that changed my life. And, before I start I have no connection financially or otherwise with anyone or any herb or company mentioned here. I went to Dr. Andrew Weil's web site www.DrWeil.com and looked for the best treatment to improve my immune system. I believed I had a weakened immune system because although my wife and others had similar symptoms none were as serious as my problems. The three top rated herb treatments to improve my immune system were: Echinacea, Astragalus and Elderberry (you can check this out on the web also). I immediately went to the local health food store and bought a supply of each. Echinacea 400 mg by Nature's Way Astragalus 470 mg by Nature's Way Elderberry 575 mg by Nature's Way (I found out later I could buy the same product from www.swansonvitamins.com at half the price and I've bought all my vitamins and herbs from Swanson Vitamins since.) I also increased my intake of vitamin C to 3,000 mg daily with Natrol Ester-C. I take two 500 mg capsule three times per day. And amazingly I haven't had a sinus infection since starting this regimen. I started this treatment in October of 2004. No head colds. No sinus infections. I have had minor feelings of aches and chills but nothing compared to before I started taking these herbs. My sinuses feel like they have been cleaned out with a rotorooter. No stuffiness. No postnasal drip. It is great. The deciding factor that proves to me this works was at Christmas. My wife and I spent the day with my grandsons. The grandsons were both sick with a cold. My wife got sick with a cold and went to a sinus infection and she had to be treated with antibiotics. She was not taking the herbs. My son (the father of the grandsons) got sick with a cold and it went to a sinus infection. He was not taking the herbs. He had to be treated with two different antibiotics, saw a doctor twice, and missed a week from work. My other son got a cold and a sinus infection. I don't really know if he had to take antibiotics or not. Since then my wife takes the herbs and has been free of colds and sinus infections. My son is lazy and won't take the herbs. I have no doubt that the herbs and extra vitamin C have saved me from sinus infections and head colds. I have decided that we (all of the posters and readers of this newsgroup) have been treating our sinuses from the outside with sprays, etc. when all along most of the sinus problems are caused by viral infections affecting weak immune systems. You have nothing to lose but a few bucks and a little time. I'll be glad to talk to anyone to help. Call me at 770-973-4590 or email poston8 (at) comcast.net. Good luck. On 3/1/05 8:03 AM, in article o949211mp3r123od3rr6pkfdd7eipv874t@4ax.com, > I also increased my intake of vitamin C to 3,000 mg daily with Natrol > Ester-C. I take two 500 mg capsule three times per day. There is medical evidence that excess vitamin c - more than 1,000 mg / day removes calcium from the bones. >On 3/1/05 8:03 AM, in article o949211mp3r123od3rr6pkfdd7eipv874t@4ax.com, > >> I also increased my intake of vitamin C to 3,000 mg daily with Natrol >> Ester-C. I take two 500 mg capsule three times per day. >There is medical evidence that excess vitamin c - more than 1,000 mg / day >removes calcium from the bones. I think you may have gotten your medical evidence from here: "By Jennifer Warner WebMD Medical News Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD on Thursday, June 03, 2004 June 3, 2004 -- It may be possible to get too much of a good thing when it comes to vitamin C and your health. Although heralded as a powerful antioxidant that fights everything from the common cold to cancer, a new study shows that over a long period of time high doses of vitamin C is associated with worsening of one of the most common forms of arthritis -- osteoarthritis of the knee. The study showed long-term use of vitamin C supplements worsened the severity of osteoarthritis of the knee in guinea pigs. In these animals, osteoarthritis of the knees is similar to the cartilage damaging disease in humans, the authors write. . ." I appreciate your input but with the spectacular results I have received from the herbs and extra vitamin C, I'll take my chances with the extra vitamin C and herbs. There is always controversy and opposing views in any medical treatment, use of herbs and vitamins. And for some strange reason doctors of every kind are always against use of herbs and vitamins. I think some doctors really hate to see anyone better their health and well-being with herbs and vitamins because they might lose a paying patient. We are each ultimately responsible for our own health and well-being. We each have to study all the 'medical evidence' and plain common sense and then make our choice. About the 'excess vitamin C', I'll continue to take 3,000 mg of vitamin C and the herbs mentioned because of the spectacular results of not having any more sinus infections or viral infections. Just as Norman Cousins did as shown in his great book Anatomy of an Illness as Perceived by the Patient (1979) when he was diagnosed with the disease Ankylosing Spondylitis and was told by 'medical evidence' and the doctors that he had only six months to live. He checked himself out of the hospital and into a hotel where he was treated with massive doses of vitamin C up to 25 grams ((not milligrams but grams))through slow intravenous drip over a period of three to four hours. He recovered and lived another fruitful twenty something years. Of course he received other treatments also like laughter and positive thinking, etc. >>On 3/1/05 8:03 AM, in article o949211mp3r123od3rr6pkfdd7eipv874t@4ax.com, >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > well-being with herbs and vitamins because they might lose a paying > patient. Sigh. The moment anybody starts claiming that doctors really want to keep their patients sick for their own financial benefit, they're automatic killfile bait. << PLONK >>  SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. On 3/1/05 4:29 PM, in article CN7Vd.11779$Ba3.10869@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net, "Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote: > I >> think some doctors really hate to see anyone better their health and >> well-being with herbs and vitamins because they might lose a paying >> patient. Doctors get sick and their families get sick too. Do you honestly think they would withold the cure for cancer, etc from their own persons and families? hydromed@adelphia.net (Murray Grossan) wrote: >Doctors get sick and their families get sick too. > Do you honestly think they would withold the > cure for cancer, etc from their own persons > and families? I don't think the Doctors would withhold any cures, but I'd bet any thing that the major drug companies do a few cover-ups. Consider all the products on the market that are used to ease the common cold. Jesus, if someone was to come up with a cure, the drug companies could be out billions of dollars. ...Jon >>Doctors get sick and their families get sick too. >>Do you honestly think they would withold the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > if someone was to come up with a cure, the drug companies could be out > billions of dollars. What you forget is that there are drug companies that don't sell OTC cold remedies (especially the new smaller biotech companies). And they would *earn* billions of dollars from an effective cure. For example, ViroPharma had developed pleconaril, a broad-spectrum antiviral drug that was effective against the rhinoviruses that cause the common cold. And in clinical trials, it appeared to work against colds. It was the FDA that refused to license it. Because it has a side effect of inactivating contraceptive pills and they feared it might lead to resistant "super-viruses," just as the widespread use of antibiotics led to resistant "super-germs." http://tinyurl.com/3wuqo SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net (Steven L.) wrote: >What you forget is that there are drug > companies that don't sell OTC cold remedies [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > widespread use of antibiotics led to resistant > "super-germs." And then again, most of the drugs we use today come from only a handful of "large" drug companies. Talk about a monopoly. ...Bet these companies don't allocate any money at all towards finding a cure for the cold. I had my thyroid go hyper a few years back (It's back to normal now -- cured itself), but anyways my Dr. was going to send me down to this hospital to take the thyroid killing radiation pill. I questioned the reasons for using such an antiquated method. -- Blast your body with a massive dose of radiation, just to kill off a few thyroid cells.--Sounds crazy in this (beware of the excess radiation) society we currently live in. One reply I got, hit the nail on the head. ..If you eliminate the thyroid, the drug companies know you'll be stuck taking their thyroid pills for the rest of your life. ..So why would they bother spending money and time towards finding any safer means to control the thyroid? ..Jon >And then again, most of the drugs we use today come from only a handful >of "large" drug companies. Talk about a monopoly. ...Bet these companies >don't allocate any money at all towards finding a cure for the cold. Actually I understand that a lot of drugs come from non-profit research also. >I had my thyroid go hyper a few years back (It's back to normal now -- >cured itself), but anyways my Dr. was going to send me down to this [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >pills for the rest of your life. ..So why would they bother spending >money and time towards finding any safer means to control the thyroid? The standard Northe American recommendation for treatement is indeed to kill the thyroid and take drugs for the rest of your life to replace the thyroxine. This approach is often criticized. In Europe, they take the different approach of controlling the hyperactivity by other means. The stated rationale used in North America is based on compliance patterns and the need for ongoing monitoring in each of the treatment modalities. I myself would not accept the North American practise if I were hyperthyroid. We'd never be able to prove, though, that they chose based on drug company profits. >> Doctors get sick and their families get sick too. >> Do you honestly think they would withold the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Jesus, if someone was to come up with a cure, the drug companies > could be out billions of dollars. ...Jon A perfect example of this by drug manufactures with a 'fix' with the FDA, is the 'new' issue of Musinex. It is 600mg of Guifinisen (sp) in extended release and that's all it contains. The charge is about 50 cents or more per capsule. When this product came 'out', they ordered all the prescribed Guifinisen removed from the pharmacies and a product that contains only Guifinisen (Humibid) is now sold over the counter containing 400mg of Guifenisen, not 600mg, and it costs about 22 cents a pill. Before this farce came you could get a prescription... and if you knew a pharmacy that would give you a good price, you could get a 100 count prescription of Guifenisen 600mg for about $8.00. Now you tell me that there is not something going on. Damn crooks. ...Allen >>>Doctors get sick and their families get sick too. >>>Do you honestly think they would withold the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > 600mg for about $8.00. Now you tell me that there is not something going on. > Damn crooks. The FDA was clearly to blame by reviewing the medical status of guaifenisin, a drug that had been on the market for maybe 100 years. You can't blame this one on the drug companies. If the FDA had left them alone, they would have continued to sell the different varieties of Humibid. Mucinex is an artificial product created by FDA interference in the free marketplace. SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. >The FDA was clearly to blame by reviewing the medical status of >guaifenisin, a drug that had been on the market for maybe 100 years. Don't you think they did that because of legal threats by a drug company? >You can't blame this one on the drug companies. If the FDA had left >them alone, they would have continued to sell the different varieties of >Humibid. > >Mucinex is an artificial product created by FDA interference in the free >marketplace. >On 3/1/05 4:29 PM, in article >CN7Vd.11779$Ba3.10869@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net, "Steven L." [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Doctors get sick and their families get sick too. Do you honestly think they >would withold the cure for cancer, etc from their own persons and families? Thank you for your civil reply. I'm glad that you didn't 'kill-file' me the way some people do when you say something that they disagree with. Sad that. Some times even fools are right. No. Definitely not. But, I do think some doctors are reluctant to make changes and modernize their thinking. I believe there is no way all doctors can stay up to date with all medical research. (Somewhere in here I need to say something about the Mayo Clinic Study Implicateing fungus as cause of chronic sinusitis but I'm not sure if they have finalized their study yet or not. In a way it's kind of close to what I'm saying. I think it's a weak immune system.) That is why 'bleeding' was the preferred medical treatment for almost all sicknesses for over 3,000 years and just began to end about 200 years ago when four of the best doctors in the country bled our president George Washington to death. That is why in the middle ages doctors refused to change their methods of doing autopsies on cadavers and did not properly clean their hands before delivering babies causing the death rates among women who had their babies delivered by doctors to be so high when compared to midwifes. It was several years before doctors properly cleaned their hands. That is why when a doctor in Australia discovered Helicobacter pylori was the primary cause of ulcers in the stomach and the proper treatment was with antibiotics the medical society refused to accept his discovery for nearly twenty years. And even now this is common knowledge among most doctors still some cling to the old method of treating stomach ulcers with a bland diet. And, even though the New England Medical Journal has reported success in treating Helicobacter pylori with 'Mastic Gum' no doctor will treat Helicobacter pylori with 'Mastic Gum'. Actually most doctors don't even know about 'Mastic Gum' while I do because I have suffered from Helicobacter pylori and was treated twice with antibiotics and the Helicobacter pylori kept returning and I had to find a different treatment so I did by researching the Internet and used the treatment and have successfully eradicated the Helicobacter pylori. I'm not presumptuous enough to say my suggestion for sinus infection will work for everyone but I do know it stopped my continual sinus infections and I will continue to use the treatments because it works for me. Thanks for the input. >(Somewhere in here I need to say something about the Mayo Clinic Study >Implicateing fungus as cause of chronic sinusitis Their study (which is left in doubt by other studies) just says that fungus can trigger inflammation and infection. We already know allegens do that so really it does not say that much except to put the emphasis on one allergen. >but I'm not sure if >they have finalized their study yet or not. In a way it's kind of >close to what I'm saying. I think it's a weak immune system.) If people had a weak immune system they would be coming down with cancer et. Actually allergies represent an over-reaction of the immune system. On 3/2/05 9:05 PM, in article 0g6d21dg3v2u4ac7asqlh15vurs6qpuu3s@4ax.com, > they have finalized their study yet or not. In a way it's kind of >> close to what I'm saying. I think it's a weak immune system.) Actually the theory of the Mayo fungus is that the eosinophiles which are supposed to attack the fungus are too strong and produce too much toxins. So, in a sense, the immune system is too strong. What does it mean when the Eosinophiles are too high? At my last blood test report mine were high. I am always having sinus headaches,infections and virus's. I was always told I have low immunity because I have allergies. shirley > I went to Dr. Andrew Weil's web site www.DrWeil.com and looked for the > best treatment to improve my immune system. If you want to improve your immune system, you should see a board-certified immunologist who can test your immune system for the proper antibody responses. > I believed I had a > weakened immune system because although my wife and others had similar [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > web also). I immediately went to the local health food store and > bought a supply of each. I tried echinacea and astragalus long ago. Neither one helped me, either to prevent infections or to cure them. I never tried elderberry though. BTW: No one with major allergies should take echinacea except under medical supervision. Echinacea can cross-react with various pollens in the environment, giving you a severe allergic reaction to oral echinacea which could be life-threatening. SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. >> I also increased my intake of vitamin C to 3,000 mg daily with Natrol >> Ester-C. I take two 500 mg capsule three times per day. > There is medical evidence that excess vitamin c - more than 1,000 mg / day > removes calcium from the bones. After reading this I did a Google search and found the following article. According to the article it looks like most sinusitis suffers would benefit by taking more vitamin C. Vitamin C Requirements: Optimal Health Benefits vs Overdose http://www.acu-cell.com/vitc.html >>> I also increased my intake of vitamin C to 3,000 mg daily with Natrol >After reading this I did a Google search and found the following >article. According to the article it looks like most sinusitis >suffers would benefit by taking more vitamin C. > > Vitamin C Requirements: Optimal Health Benefits vs Overdose > http://www.acu-cell.com/vitc.html That's from a company that sells "Acu-Cell Analysis" and as such has a vested interest in promoting supplementation. >>> I also increased my intake of vitamin C to 3,000 mg daily with Natrol >>> Ester-C. I take two 500 mg capsule three times per day. >>> There is medical evidence that excess vitamin c - more than 1,000 mg / day >>> removes calcium from the bones. >>After reading this I did a Google search and found the following >>article. According to the article it looks like most sinusitis >>suffers would benefit by taking more vitamin C. >> >> Vitamin C Requirements: Optimal Health Benefits vs Overdose >> http://www.acu-cell.com/vitc.html > That's from a company that sells "Acu-Cell Analysis" and as such has > a vested interest in promoting supplementation. This was the only article I found that mentions the possibility that vitamin C could cause bone loss. And I thought it was extremely balanced in it's presentation. I searched the web again and I still cannot find any other articles (medical or scientific) that claim vitamin C can cause bone loss. All I could find were two articles that say vitamin C in high doses can cause knee osteoarthritis in guinea pigs. And one the articles mentions possible flaws in the study. The other scientific studies I found claim that vitamin C increases bone density. I don't do a lot web searches, so I assume you will have better luck finding an article that backs up Dr. Grossan's claim |
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