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Are antibiotics beneficial for patients with sinusitis complaints? A randomized double-blind clinical trial

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Woody Long - 08 Feb 2005 19:40 GMT
Are antibiotics beneficial for patients with sinusitis complaints? A
randomized double-blind clinical trial.

Merenstein D, Whittaker C, Chadwell T, Wegner B, D'Amico F.

The Johns Hopkins Hospital, 600 North Wolfe St., Carnegie 291,
Baltimore, MD 21287-6220 USA. E-mail: dmerenstein@jhu.edu.

BACKGROUND: Sinusitis is the fifth most common reason for patients to
visit primary care physicians, yet clinical outcomes relevant to
patients are seldom studied. OBJECTIVE: To determine whether patients
with purulent rhinitis, "sinusitis-type symptoms," improved with
antibiotics. Second, to examine a clinical prediction rule to provide
preliminary validation data. METHODS: Prospective clinical trial, with
double-blinded placebo controlled randomization. The setting was a
suburb of Washington, DC, from Oct 1, 2001, to March 31, 2003. All
participants were 18 years or older, presenting to a family practice
clinic with a complaint of sinusitis and with pus in the nasal cavity,
facial pressure, or nasal discharge lasting longer than 7 days. The
main outcome measures were resolution of symptoms within a 14-day
follow-up period and the time to improvement (days). RESULTS: After
exclusion criteria, 135 patients were randomized to either placebo
(n=68) or amoxicillin (n=67) for 10 days. Intention-to-treat analyses
showed that 32 (48%) of the amoxicillin group vs 25 (37%) of the
placebo group (P=.26) showed complete improvement by the end of the
2-week follow-up period (relative risk=1.3; 95% confidence interval
[CI], 0.87-1.94]). Although the rates of improvement were not
statistically significantly different at the end of 2 weeks, the
amoxicillin group improved significantly earlier, in the course of
treatment, a median of 8 vs 12 days, than did the placebo group
(P=.039). CONCLUSION: For most patients with sinusitis-type complaints,
no improvement was seen with anti-biotics over placebo. For those who
did improve, data suggested there is a subgroup of patients who may
benefit from antibiotics.

PMID: 15689289 [PubMed - in process]
Murray Grossan - 09 Feb 2005 04:43 GMT
On 2/8/05 11:40 AM, in article
1107891655.770851.86680@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "Woody Long"
<woodylong30@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Are antibiotics beneficial for patients with sinusitis complaints? A
> randomized double-blind clinical trial.
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>
> PMID: 15689289 [PubMed - in process]

There have been other studies too. In Lancet, 84% with antibiotic were
improved,  and 76% on placebo improved.
Bueler showed that on the 6th day, the symptoms of antibiotic and placebo
group were identical.
On the other hand, the correct course of antibiotic can reverse a chronic
sinusitis.
Steven L. - 09 Feb 2005 22:30 GMT
> On 2/8/05 11:40 AM, in article
> 1107891655.770851.86680@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "Woody Long"
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> Bueler showed that on the 6th day, the symptoms of antibiotic and placebo
> group were identical.

What I would like to see is a study that compares antibiotic alone
versus irrigation (e.g. Hydropulse) alone, for acute sinusitis.

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Shirley Thebaglady - 10 Feb 2005 10:53 GMT
My MD will not give me an antibiotic unless I complain of yellow flem or
infection.

He will give me Clarinex, a nose spray or use a saline spray and self
helps to do.

shirley
Murray Grossan - 10 Feb 2005 17:57 GMT
On 2/10/05 2:53 AM, in article
29524-420B3D2A-87@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net, "Shirley Thebaglady"
<thebagladyshirleyann@webtv.net> wrote:

> My MD will not give me an antibiotic unless I complain of yellow flem or
> infection.
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>
> shirley

Considering the evidence that the more antibiotic, the more breast cancer,
serious urinary infections, asthma and considering that studies have shown
similar results with placebo, it sounds like your doctor is concerned about
your health.
Steven L. - 10 Feb 2005 23:48 GMT
> My MD will not give me an antibiotic unless I complain of yellow flem or
> infection.

Unfortunately, I've had yellow phlegm since my chronic sinusitis started
in 1997.  Two surgeries and dozens of courses of antibiotics later, I
still cough up little bits of yellow phlegm on a daily basis.  And if I
catch a cold, I get a flood of brown phlegm.  Other folks just get a
runny nose when they get a cold.  With me I immediately get a flood of
thick brown phlegm.

My ENTs have pretty much given up on me.

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Don Brady - 12 Feb 2005 23:49 GMT
>Unfortunately, I've had yellow phlegm since my chronic sinusitis started
>in 1997.  Two surgeries and dozens of courses of antibiotics later, I
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>
>My ENTs have pretty much given up on me.

I would suggest either or both of

(1) Go to Mayo to explore the possibility of some systemic condition that
impairs ability to recover from infections.  They are extremely thorough.

or

(2) Go to U.Penn. or a doctor who uses the Kennedy approach of removing a lot
of the ethmoid bone to stop chronic sinus infections.  
Ron - 11 Feb 2005 03:38 GMT
> What I would like to see is a study that compares antibiotic alone versus irrigation (e.g. Hydropulse) alone, for acute sinusitis.

I don't know about a study but I can give you my very current personal experience.
Short and direct:

Miserable progressive sinus irritation, constant drainage and swelling for literally years.
Swelling in the face, fatigue, feels like poison ivy in my nose.
 Irrigation every day (water pik), allegra, sudafed, rhinocort etc. - Nothing
 Levaquin - Wow, clears up within 2 days! Keep irrigating every day. Feel great.
 Finish Levaquin, keep irrigating, within 10 days comes back, miserable again.
 Try Augmentin, doesn't work very well, keep irrigating, still miserable.
 Wait 3 weeks, still miserable, keep irrigating.
 Levaquin again - clears up in 2 days! Currently still taking it.
 Levaquin is $10 a pill, I can't take this stuff forever.

Conclusion, irrigation is helpful but not a magic cureall or preventative.
Frankly, I'm getting desperate enough to irrigate with Clorox! Not really,
but I can't much more of this.
Murray Grossan - 11 Feb 2005 05:08 GMT
On 2/10/05 7:38 PM, in article ZqmdnSB6EIsutZHfRVn_vQ@giganews.com, "Ron"
<NoSpam@SpamStopper.Org> wrote:

>> What I would like to see is a study that compares antibiotic alone versus
>> irrigation (e.g. Hydropulse) alone, for acute sinusitis.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Frankly, I'm getting desperate enough to irrigate with Clorox! Not really,
> but I can't much more of this.

Irrigation can only stimulate cilia movement and remove thick mucus and
bacteria. If you have no cilia and if the sinuses are completely blocked so
that infection is within the sinus with no outlet, then treatment other than
irrigation is indicated.
Fortunaltely for many patients, this can make a difference.
Johnny1000@webtv.net - 14 Feb 2005 17:19 GMT
hydromed@adelphia.net (Murray Grossan) wrote:
>Irrigation can only stimulate cilia movement
> and remove thick mucus and bacteria. If you
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Fortunaltely for many patients, this can make
> a difference.

A few months ago, I had an acute flair-up. ...Rather than go for another
load of antibiotics, I decided to try just the irrigation.
..After a little more than a week, I was back to my usual "chronic"
state. ...I know if I would have taken a course of levaquin, I would
have lost the symptoms quicker, but the base condition would either
still be there (simmering), or else return to this state, shortly
thereafter.

The irrigation helped, not in the respect of eliminating the sinusitis,
but rather towards facilitating the natural drainage. In the end, it was
my own immune system that quashed the flair-up.  I am sure that had I
not used the irrigation, I would have been considerably sicker.

The problem with a lot of these antibiotic/placebo tests is, there are
no end of people ready, able, and willing to race to the Dr. for an
antibiotic at the first sign of a plugged nose.  ...And it's funny, as
dumb as some people are with regards to medical problems and
terminology, they all know the word: "antibiotics."   ...I only hope
that all Drs. prescribe the run-of-the-mill antibiotics for these
(hypochondriac) people, and save the few effective ones left for those
with a legitimate disease.   ....Jon
Murray Grossan - 14 Feb 2005 21:10 GMT
On 2/14/05 9:19 AM, in article
28254-4210DDA5-261@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net, "Johnny1000@webtv.net"

>  ...I only hope
> that all Drs. prescribe the run-of-the-mill antibiotics for these
> (hypochondriac) people, and save the few effective ones left for those
> with a legitimate disease.   ....Jon

Unfortunately, the more antibiotics, the more resistant organisms may
develop plus the other problems with excess antibiotic including resistant
urinary infections.
Join ZAAP  .
Zaap antibiotic abuse personally. Tell your friends and family about
avoiding unnecessary antibiotics. Don't force the doctor to give you an
antibiotic.
It takes a doctor 1.5 minutes to write an antibiotic. It takes 20 + minutes
to try to convince a patient not to take an antibiotic.
You personally can help by telling your friends about this.
Ron - 16 Feb 2005 01:13 GMT
> Unfortunately, the more antibiotics, the more resistant organisms may
> develop plus the other problems with excess antibiotic including resistant
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> to try to convince a patient not to take an antibiotic.
> You personally can help by telling your friends about this.

I would like to not have to take antibiotics but after months of irragating, it
just got a worse. Not that irrigating wasn't helpful. It feels good and does provide
some relief for a few hours at best. But antibiotics clear up the condition. Then
when the medicine runs out it comes back. So what am I supposed to do?


Woody Long - 16 Feb 2005 18:40 GMT
> I would like to not have to take antibiotics but after months of irragating, it
> just got a worse. Not that irrigating wasn't helpful. It feels good and does provide
> some relief for a few hours at best. But antibiotics clear up the condition. Then
> when the medicine runs out it comes back. So what am I supposed to do?

The anitbiotic is most likely just treating a secondary bacterial
infection rather than the underlying pathology which is why you feel
better on it, and relapse when you stop.  Most patients think they have
simply undertreated the infection and need more antibiotic for a longer
period to knock out the sinusitis permanently, but this is incorrect.

The reason to stop taking the antibiotic is that the antibiotic
actually makes the underlying pathology worse over time.

Woody
 
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