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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / December 2004

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Smoking - very BAD, OK - but...

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iJah - 12 Dec 2004 19:35 GMT
i'm still struggling with ditching the smoking habit completely. i've
cut way down and am fairly happy about that, but i need/want to cut
back more and quit completely if possible.

i'm finding a very strange phenomena with regards to smoking in my
case though and it is so consitently repeatable that i know it's not a
fluke.

This is the deal:

If I cut back on smoking too much, too fast, my sinuses really flare
up on me - I don't know if they get more inflammed or what exactly
happens, but I just can't breath. it's almost the same feeling i would
get a long time ago after using too much oxymetazoline (sp?) where
you'd get the rebound 'congestion'. that's exactly how it feels. and
it seems the only cure for this is to have a cigarette or two.

this doesn't make sense to me. it's almost like the cigarattes
rebalance things when i'm in that state and make my sinuses functional
again - like a smokers body is so used to the irritation of the smoke
that it 'has to have it'.

can anyone shed any light on this subject?

iJah
ENTconsult - 12 Dec 2004 20:10 GMT
If I cut back on smoking too much, too fast, my sinuses really flare
up on me - I don't know if they get more inflammed or what exactly
happens, but I just can't breath. it's almost the same feeling i would
get a long time ago after using too much oxymetazoline (sp?) where
you'd get the rebound 'congestion'. that's exactly how it feels. and
it seems the only cure for this is to have a cigarette or two. This is a
natural phenomenon.
While you smoke the sandpaper effect of the smoking keeps the nose open.
when you stop, no more sandpaper, there is a rebound and you get nasal
congestion.
Ask your doctor about using pulsatile irrigation to take care of this problem.
Many persons have a similar problem when they try to quit, and is one of the
uses for pulsatile irrigtion.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
iJah - 13 Dec 2004 22:37 GMT
iJah wrote:
>If I cut back on smoking too much, too fast, my sinuses really flare
>up on me - I don't know if they get more inflammed or what exactly
>happens, but I just can't breath. it's almost the same feeling i would
>get a long time ago after using too much oxymetazoline (sp?) where
>you'd get the rebound 'congestion'. that's exactly how it feels. and
>it seems the only cure for this is to have a cigarette or two.

>This is a
>natural phenomenon.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Murray Grossan, M.D.
>http://www.ent-consult.com

thanks Dr. Grossan.

So, i guess smoking has an irritant and stimulant effect at the same
time, if I understand correctly.

I will try irrigating more often. I was only doing that about once a
week, because I don't actually have any congestion/infection, just
rampant inflammation and dryness. maybe irrigating more often will
help with the dryness too. anyway, i hope if i irrigate more often,
cutting back on smoking will not cause so much 'rebound congestion'.

thanks again.
MS - 21 Dec 2004 19:15 GMT
> I will try irrigating more often. I was only doing that about once a
> week, because I don't actually have any congestion/infection, just
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> thanks again.

In a different post I posted last night/this morning, I related how an ENT
yesterday suggested that I cut down on irrigation to once or twice a week,
rather than the few times per day I do it now. He said irrigation can cause
dryness. Similarly to when you wash your face, the face is drier afterwards.

If you are not full of phlegm you need to wash out (as I am), it might not
be a good idea to increase your irrigation.

It would definitely be a good idea to quit smoking!
MS - 21 Dec 2004 09:07 GMT
> While you smoke the sandpaper effect of the smoking keeps the nose open.
> when you stop, no more sandpaper, there is a rebound and you get nasal
> congestion.

What exactly is the "sandpaper effect"? Please describe.

Do you mean the irritation caused by the smoke? I don't see how possibly
irritation could cause the sinuses to feel better. I'm sure that if I
smnked, my sinuses would feel much worse.

Well, nicotine is a drug. It's possible that there is some chemical effect
of nicotine, especially for someone who's body is addicted to it, that helps
control inflammation, and that withdrawal from the substance you are
addicted to increases inflammation.

You might wish to ask about that at sci.med.pharmacy, where pharmacists and
pharmacy students tend to write, and do a Google search with the words
"nicotine" and "inflammation".

If you wish to wean gradually off the nicotine, I would suggest one of those
nicotine patches, which would give you the drug, without the irritating
smoke going into your nose, throat, sinuses, and lungs. (Any kind of smoke
is irritating.) Ask your doctor about it.

But definitely work on giving up smoking. Even if in the short term you feel
worse, it certainly will be better in the long term. I can't understand
anyone smoking, but especially someone with chronic sinus problems

> Ask your doctor about using pulsatile irrigation to take care of this problem.
> Many persons have a similar problem when they try to quit, and is one of the
> uses for pulsatile irrigtion.

Really??? Irrigation as a cure for smoking? Do you have any scientific
evidence to prove that? Articles in medical journals? Or trying to increase
sales of your products through finding a new "use"?

Of course irrigation helps wash out excess mucous, therefore helping to
alleviate the symptoms of us sinus sufferers. (Until a few hours later, of
course, when the thick mucus has overwhelmed us again.) But I never heard of
irrigation helping people to quit smoking. If there is some impartial
scientific evidence of that, please show it.

In fact, going a little OT here, I saw an ENT today ( a well-known one), as
my sinuses have been especially bad lately. He prescribed an antibiotic and
a Medrol dose pack. However, when I told him I irrigate, he said I should
irrigate LESS, no more than once or twice per week! He said that irrigation
can be irritating to the mucous membranes, and dry them out.

He might have a point there, but I cannot imagine following those
directions. My nose and sinuses get so full of very thick mucous, constantly
dripping into my throat, and the irrigating I do, a few times a day,
although time-consuming and a hassle, definitely makes me feel better, by
washing out that sticky gunk. I would be miserable if I only irrigated once
or twice per week. So, I'll probably continue as I've been doing.

But as I said, this doc is a nationally known prominent ENT, and there could
be something to what he says. It could be that irrigation is in itself
addictive, that it makes one feel better by washing out the gunk, but in
doing so irritates the membranes, so that more junk keeps on coming.

I don't know, there are definitely differences of opinion in the
otolaryngologic community (?) regarding irrigation.

In any case, although in my case and many others (writers here, for
instance) it certainly helps with symptoms, I really don't think that
irrigation is a "cure" for anything, and just might have some negative
effects as well. I certainly have never heard of irrigation as a tool for
quitting smoking!
ENTconsult - 21 Dec 2004 17:22 GMT
" But I never heard of
irrigation helping people to quit smoking. If there is some impartial
scientific evidence of that, please show it."
I never said irrigation would help you quit smoking. I said that the rebound
nasal congestion that some persons get when they quit smoking can be helped by
restoring cilia movement. One way of doing this is by pulsatile irrigation.
Other ways are detailed in the FAQ. here.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com

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