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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / November 2004Post-nasal drip - any solutions??
My main problem seems to be post-nasal drip down the back of my throat, with associated bad breath. Has anyone found anything to help relieve this? Have tried everything from steam inhalations to saline irrigation, without success... > My main problem seems to be post-nasal drip down the back of my throat, > with associated bad breath. Has anyone found anything to help relieve > this? If you have bad breath from the PND down your throat, you may have sinusitis. That's especially true if your PND is discolored (e.g. yellow or green). See a physician.  SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. My MD told me to use the saline rinse for my post-nasal drip. It is a pre-ventive care so I do not get sinus infections. At first I used it often, but now I use it in the morning and at night before going to bed. shirley >My main problem seems to be post-nasal drip down the back of my throat, >with associated bad breath. Has anyone found anything to help relieve >this? Have tried everything from steam inhalations to saline irrigation, >without success... You can't fix just the symptom. You have to fix the cause, which is probably chronic sinusitis. > My main problem seems to be post-nasal drip down the back of my throat, > with associated bad breath. Has anyone found anything to help relieve > this? Have tried everything from steam inhalations to saline irrigation, > without success... I have found that Sinofresh has helped me with the bad breath. It is sold in drug stores. I have yet to find the solution for the severe postnasal drip. >My main problem seems to be post-nasal drip down the back of my throat, >with associated bad breath. Has anyone found anything to help relieve >this? Have tried everything from steam inhalations to saline irrigation, >without success... Hello, Remember the "Saying": Where there is irritation; There is blockage; Where there is blockage; There is swelling; Where there is swelling; There is infection. Go to the drug store and get a bottle of OCEAN. You may use it or dump it out; then go to the health food store and purchase a 'GOOD' sea salt; then make a solution in a pint jar of: 2 teaspoons of salt and water; then use this solution in your OCEAN bottle to "gently" spay your noze as often as you need to do. Right now use some Guaifenesin, which is found in Robitussin (green label) to keep your mucous flowing and thin so that you donot get a nasty sinus infection. These remedies are just starters, and only help you to prevent a serious sinus condition. Candida is probably your monster, as 96% of all sinus complaints are due to fungus. Candida is a whole 'nother Chapter. This will get you started on your journey: Killing the Fungus: http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/afung.html Stuffy Nose: http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/G220.htm Copper: http://www.drlwilson.com/Articles/candida.htm Good luck . . . PS: STERILIZE THOSE BOTTLES ONCE IN A WHILE!!!!!! + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/benjamin.htm MustRead! http://WWW.PAMINIFARM.COM "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6 "then go to the store and get good Sea Salt" Most MD's don't recommend sea salt for the nose becuase of all the fish excreta and other products this product contains. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com Has there been a study that found fish excreta in sea salt? Is it invisible? Does it (fish sh.t) look like salt? How about worm excreta in land salt? > "then go to the store and get good Sea Salt" > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Murray Grossan, M.D. > http://www.ent-consult.com Sea salt is essentially evaporated ocean water. Depending where it comes from, the contents vary. This is why certain sea salts from various areas are praised by gourmets for the taste. But if you analyze the salt you find all kinds of stuff and certainlly this is not what you want to put in your nose. Why should what you put in your nose be different than what is used in the intravenous solutions of the hospitals? Fortunately the nasal solutions don't have to be that sterile, but it makes sense to stick as close as possible to those forumlas. For instance regular salt contains iodine. For most persons that's not a problem, but some are sensitive to salt. How to determine in advance if this is YOUR problem???? Makes sense to me to use Kosher or pickling salt that doesn't contain iodine. If you don't have any problem with sea salt, fine. As a physician I have to recommend what I feel is safest for most persons. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com > But if you analyze the salt you find all kinds of stuff and certainlly this is > not what you want to put in your nose. Do you have any URLs of studies that analyzed the sea salt and found this "all kinds of stuff". I would be surprised if the companies that refine the sea salt do not thoroughly refine it and get out any extraneous manner. One would think that if there actually was excrement in sea salt that the FDA would go after the refiners in question, and shut down their operation. Of course, there is "all kinds of stuff" in the ground, where land salt comes from. Presumably it is thoroughly refined, any extraneous matter removed, etc., before it is packaged for sale. One would think that would be the same for sea salt. But please post links to any studies that showed fish crap in sea salt, it would be interesting to read about. >>But if you analyze the salt you find all kinds of stuff and certainlly > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > comes from. Presumably it is thoroughly refined, any extraneous matter > removed, etc., before it is packaged for sale. Neither is true. The FDA has long had standards for "permissive filth levels." They actually specify how many insect parts and how many other pieces of other filth per gram can be contained in packaged foods. This information was never made available to the public until they were sued in 1971 under the Freedom of Information Act. With land salt (e.g. Diamond Crystal brand), I have found all kinds of filth in there. Not much, but every few teaspoons, I have to throw a teaspoon of salt away because it contained insect parts or something. Presumably they have similar acceptable filth levels for sea salt as well. SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. Compounds Used in Salt to Prevent Caking or Sticking Prevent Caking: Calcium silicate, ferric ammonium citrate, silicon dioxide, sodium ferrocyanide, magnesium silicate, magnesium carbonate, propylene glycol, aluminum calcium silicate, sodium aluminosilicate (also called sodium silicoaluminate), and calcium phosphate. Sea Salt is evaporated sea water and contains fish products, depending on the area. From : "How to be free of Sinus Disease - Permanently " Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com Sorry, but quoting from your own book, without any links to any studies that actually analyzed and compared the two types of salt, is no proof at all. Or is something true just because you say it? The title of your book that you quote from is absurd in itself. Of course it sounds like titles of many pseudo "health books" one can find, but certainly doesn't sound like a serious medical book. I don't think anyone who suffers from a chronic sinus condition is ever "permanently free" of it. Different treatments can help alleviate the condition--medications, irrigation, surgery, etc., but "permanently free" of it? That sounds like marketing hype to me. > Compounds Used in Salt to Prevent Caking or Sticking > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Murray Grossan, M.D. > http://www.ent-consult.com > Compounds Used in Salt to Prevent Caking or Sticking > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > aluminum calcium silicate, sodium aluminosilicate (also called sodium > silicoaluminate), and calcium phosphate. Propylene glycol??? I believe that substance only exists in liquid form. I never heard of dry white crystals of propylene glycol, that could be mixed and blended with salt. And I sure have never seen that on the label of any container of salt. Which brand of salt uses propylene glycol as an additive? Let us know, and I'll look at the label on that product next time I'm at the grocery store. > Presumably they have similar acceptable filth levels for sea salt as well. But would there be a higher "acceptable filth level" for sea salt as for land salt? That wouldn't make much sense, IMO. Once again, if someone insists that is the case, some documentation of that should be pointed to. Usually the cause is due to slow clia movement. Cure is to restore cilia movement to noral rate of 16/second. You can have your clia rate measured. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com > Usually the cause is due to slow clia movement. Cure is to restore cilia > movement to noral rate of 16/second. > You can have your clia rate measured. > Murray Grossan, M.D. > http://www.ent-consult.com If you are claiming that "pulsatile irrigation" will "restore the cilia rate", and therefore "cure" sinus problems, why is it that so many of us have been doing such irrigation for years, find it helpful in cleaning out the phlegm, but certainly have not been "cured", after years of regular irrigation? If you are claiming that "pulsatile irrigation" will "restore the cilia rate", and therefore "cure" sinus problems, why is it that so many of us have been doing such irrigation for years, find it helpful in cleaning out the phlegm, but certainly have not been "cured", after years of regular irrigation? Unfortunately, there are nasal conditions purely due to slow cilia.. There are conditions due to many many causes - anatomy, too much cilia removed, cilia that can't be restored, blockage, etc. etc. As a matter of fact, I do see the patients who have failed even my Hydro Pulse usage, and there are reasons including immune deficiency anatomic problems blocked sinus passage secondary to scarring etc etc etc. Fortunately, restoring clila function and removing "stagnant" mucus with pus helps most persons. Regrettably, it doen't cure all. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com > Fortunately, restoring clila function and removing "stagnant" mucus with pus > helps most persons. Regrettably, it doen't cure all. > Murray Grossan, M.D. > http://www.ent-consult.com Well yes, I would certainly say that irrigation "helps" me, for the second reason, "removing stagnant mucous". It helps me survive each day, and breathe. But it certainly has not "cured" me, as my chronic rhino-sinusitis is as bad as ever. (Well, since my last surgery I have had less sinus infections, as there is not as much physical blockage, but the phlegm build-up, PND, etc., is as bad as ever. So, my question concerns the word "cure". "Helps"---yes, but "cure"--definitely not in my case. As far as others--I don't personally know others with the same problem as me. However----I have read this NG for years. Some of the same people have been writing for years, people who irrigate regularly (pulsatile, as you recommend), yet certainly have not been "cured". Is there anyone reading who has been "cured" with irrigation? (I guess if you have been "cured", you don't need to irrigate any more.) |
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