I have been suffering for years with recurrent sinus infection that are
getting longer every winter. The pain, pressure and vertigo I experience
lays me up for weeks, and normally I am an extremely active person. This
one started 5 weeks ago, and 3 antibiotics ago. My ears are still blocked
and popping, the pressure is still there, and i'm still dizzy. The dr.
gave me a steroid inhaler, which gives me a terrible headache, and booked
me for deviated septum surgery. Has anyone had this and did it help> I'm
so scared, I am getting married May 20, 2005, and I do not want to be sick,
or disfigured. I'm petrified!!
Thanks for listening, Dawn
Don Brady - 18 Nov 2004 21:15 GMT
>I have been suffering for years with recurrent sinus infection that are
>getting longer every winter. The pain, pressure and vertigo I experience
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>or disfigured. I'm petrified!!
>Thanks for listening, Dawn
The surgery you mention (septal correction) is extremely minor. It will not
disfigure you.
It might help with your infections but let me ask
-- was a CT scan done?
- what kind of medical practise is this? (example: sinus specialist at major
university medical center. Another Example: neighborhood ENT clinic)
- have you had a complete blood workup done for amemia etc?
- are you on a fad diet or other possible cause for immune issues?
MS - 20 Nov 2004 05:47 GMT
> The surgery you mention (septal correction) is extremely minor. It will not
> disfigure you.
Well, it could create a perforated septum. That happened to me, when I had
the septum straightened (in the same operation as sinus surgery).
> - have you had a complete blood workup done for amemia etc?
Is there a link between anemia and sinusitis?
Don Brady - 20 Nov 2004 17:36 GMT
>Well, it could create a perforated septum. That happened to me, when I had
>the septum straightened (in the same operation as sinus surgery).
Is that disfigurement? Maybe maining.....
>Is there a link between anemia and sinusitis?
Certainly some types of anemia (espically thoise affecting white blood count)
are going to limit your immune response to fight off infections of any kind.
Don Brady - 20 Nov 2004 18:11 GMT
>Is that disfigurement? Maybe maining.....
I meant maiming.
But you are correct, septal perforation can be a rare complication of septal
correction.
I think she was primarily concerned with her facial appearance to others.
But it is true in any case that septal correction should not be done casually
without a definite opinion that it is justified and likely to help, and that it
is not done alone if more thorough surgery is really called for.
It is sometimes done far too casually. That is why I asked her if a CT scan
was done, and what kind of medical practice she was being seen at. She has not
replied though.
Really any kind of nasal or sinus surgery calls for a second opinion from an
expert iodentified independently of the first physician.
MS - 21 Nov 2004 18:39 GMT
> It is sometimes done far too casually. That is why I asked her if a CT scan
> was done, and what kind of medical practice she was being seen at. She has not
> replied though.
>
> Really any kind of nasal or sinus surgery calls for a second opinion from an
> expert iodentified independently of the first physician.
I agree. I think it is far too often thrown in with other sinus surgery.
("Might as well straighten your septum while we're at it.") No one's septum
is perfectly straight. Septal correction should only be considered if there
is a high probability that this will really help the patient.
I agree that it is a very good idea to get a second (perhaps third and
fourth) opinion(s) before getting nasal and/or sinus surgery. It could make
things worse, as well as help people.
Don Brady - 21 Nov 2004 20:29 GMT
>I agree. I think it is far too often thrown in with other sinus surgery.
>("Might as well straighten your septum while we're at it.") No one's septum
>is perfectly straight. Septal correction should only be considered if there
>is a high probability that this will really help the patient.
Yes. Dr. Kennedy seemed to hold the same view.
He did need to remove a septal spur to get the endoscope in properly, but he
told me he did not really straighten the septum as such, and only touched the
septum minimally .
Various other doctors had told me earlier that the septim was quite deviated
and would need correction (and in fact one could see that it was on the CT
scan).
ENTconsult - 22 Nov 2004 17:35 GMT
Please look at it from the doctor's point of view.
If the septum is deviated and might be a factor, but might not, I can leave it
alone while I do the other surgery. BUT then later it turns out that I was
wrong and I need to go back in and do another surgery - expense, time off work,
pain, etc etc.
It is a judgement call. ANYONE can leave the deviated septum while doing sinus
surgery. But if you need to return later for a second surgery, it is not a good
judgement.
By the way the doctor recieves a lower fee if he does the septum at the same
time as the sinus surgery than if he does them at separate surgeries.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
anthony - 08 Dec 2004 07:41 GMT
Please don't get turbinate reduction. You'll life will be hell! and
theirs no way to reverse it. My whole life is devastating. Believe
me, death is my only hope! please don't get rhinoplasty! if the ENT
messes up you will suffer more than anything you can imageine. Trust
me having a stuffy nose, or infections is not 10 % as bad as this!
Don't ever have surgery, unless its the only way.
Questoryia - 19 Nov 2004 05:16 GMT
Make sure they only touch your septum!
ENT's are notorious butchers and will do uncinectomies,ethmoidectomies and
antrostomies ans partial or even worse total turbinate resections!!
BEWARE!!!
Don'truin your life!!
Your life as you know it now might cease to exist!
Ask if you'll have to irrigate for the rest of your life!!!!!
Yuo will probably still get infections and you might get them even more
frequently!
Are you sure you can't survive without surgery! try some irrigation before
surgery and find a doctor willing to work with you for a few years before even
considering surgery!
Good Luck! I hope you don't turn out totally miserable and suffering with no
life or future and a nose that does'nt work anymore because the ENT did his
MINOR OUTPATIENT surgery that was suppose to be 90% successful and back to work
in a week!!! IT WAS BULL CRAP!!!!! Don't let it happen to you!
iamthezookeeper - 19 Nov 2004 13:59 GMT
wow. questoryia: have you had a bad experience or what? i hope you are not
speaking from experience, that would be tragic. i have had five surgeries
in three years, it did not ruin my life or my face. in fact it gave me a
quality of life and the ability to want to stay living after years of
hell. each person has a different experience and a lot of them have been
posted on this newsgroup. nfnitedawn: do a search on sinus surgery or
deviated septum and see what others say. i agree that you want to tell
your surgeon (who should have done thousands of these) you only want the
surgery he is planning, no matter what he finds. good luck and let us know
what you find. trudy.
iJah - 19 Nov 2004 16:59 GMT
>I have been suffering for years with recurrent sinus infection that are
>getting longer every winter. The pain, pressure and vertigo I experience
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>or disfigured. I'm petrified!!
>Thanks for listening, Dawn
Dawn,
I've known many who have had deviated septum surgery, my mother
included. It was quite minor. Certainly no worse than getting a wisdom
tooth yanked.
The reply you got from questoryia may scare the hell out of you.
Obviously he/she got butchered. And while their story is no doubt an
extreme case I can vouch that you need to be on your toes whenever
dealing with the medicos. You really need to make sure everything is
spelled out and there is a complete understanding of what is/is not
going to be done to you surgically.
I went in for oral surgery once and, honest to god, it was on Xmas
eve, late in the afternoon - the whole office was partying, they kinda
took a little 'break' to do my surgery and damn near extracted a
perfectly healthy molar instead of the abcessed tooth next to it that
they where supposed to take! Can you imagine how insanely pissed
off/depressed I would have been if they pulled a good molar and left
my abcessed tooth in the socket - Oops. It was only my awareness and
the fact that someone was right there with me watching that prevented
the disaster.
I'm sure these kind of 'accidents' are few and far between, but it's a
good idea to 'keep an eye' on the docs - they are not infallable.
iJah
~ÐÅRÅ~ - 20 Nov 2004 16:14 GMT
Dawn, Info is power. Please go to MedicineNet.com and type sinusitis in
the search box. There are links for pre-op, post-op, and many pgs on
sinusitis. It is excellent. It is written in laymen's terms but explicit
enough to be encylopedic. Please do not let horror stories make you feel
worse when you 're feeling vulnerable. Dara
Slavko Vorkapitch - 21 Nov 2004 02:51 GMT
> I have been suffering for years with recurrent sinus infection that are
> getting longer every winter. The pain, pressure and vertigo I experience
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> or disfigured. I'm petrified!!
> Thanks for listening, Dawn
Yes - I had a septoplastic 22 years ago - I was under local anesthesia
and a few depressants besides.. The good news is it did help but the
procedure was well, worth it I guess. The procedure for me was a
moderately (not severly) unpleasant experience - probably on the scale
of ...multiple root canals with meagadoses of anethesia.. Afterwards
they pack your nose for a week to heal so you have to breath through
your mouth which drys out at night. That's really all there is to it -
no disfiguration or anything, it is internal to the nose.
You'll be down for a week and will need a support team in place.
Hang in there,
El Squid