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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostatitis / May 2006This Damn Forum is Dead!!!
Doesn't anyone have anything to post here anymore? I guess prostatitis is not as common as we have heard on some websites. > Doesn't anyone have anything to post here anymore? > > I guess prostatitis is not as common as we have heard on some websites. No, it's just that very effective treatments have been found: http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/ >> Doesn't anyone have anything to post here anymore? >> >> I guess prostatitis is not as common as we have heard on some websites. > > No, it's just that very effective treatments have been found: > http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/ Oh please! I have come to reject the pelvic myoneuropathy theory, the predominent theory on that site. Actually, it is not that I reject; it's just that there is no supporting evidence for it and it's based on building one unproven theory on top of another. Face it: chronic non-bacterial prostatitis is a wastebasket diagnosis. Most of us who have been told we have it actually have something else that a doctor has not yet detected. > Oh please! I have come to reject the pelvic myoneuropathy theory, > the predominent theory on that site. Ok, what's your theory then? That we all have different diseases that the doctors have not yet discovered? lol > Actually, it is not that I reject; it's just that there is no > supporting evidence for it and it's based on building one unproven > theory on top of another. That's not true. There is a 2005 study showing a remarkable 72% improvement rate in patients at http://www.geocities.com/prostatitis_home/ [first paper on the page] >> Oh please! I have come to reject the pelvic myoneuropathy theory, >> the predominent theory on that site. > > Ok, what's your theory then? That we all have different diseases that the > doctors have not yet discovered? lol Why is it that no one in the medical community buys into the theory, if they have even heard of it? The idea that men's stress causes tension in pelvic musscles and trigger points develop in those pelvic muscles and over time and those trigger points cause referred pain in the groin is very ludicous. The few doctors I've explained this to don't buy it at all and say it has no place in a serious medical discussion and belongs is a book of fairy tails. And why is it that they number of sufferers has been grossly overestimated? If we were to believe the stats quoted by David Wise, Curtis Nickel, and others, 5% - 15% of men would have the disease. However, common sense suggests that no where near this many men have the condition. Prostatitis cannot be detected, indentified, or defined, so YES -- I believe most of us have something else that has no been detected. Do research on "wastebasket diagnosis". >> Actually, it is not that I reject; it's just that there is no >> supporting evidence for it and it's based on building one unproven [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > [first paper on the page] > Why is it that no one in the medical community buys into the theory, > if they have even heard of it? What makes you think that? Make an appointment with Dr Anderson, one of the theory's top proponents: http://urology.stanford.edu/faculty/anderson.html Just because your common-or-garden family doctor or your local uro (who probably doesn't go to AUA meetings where the latest discoveries and research are discussed) hasn't heard of it, does not mean it's not true. :) > The idea that men's stress causes > tension in pelvic musscles and trigger points develop in those pelvic > muscles and over time and those trigger points cause referred pain in > the groin is very ludicous. The few doctors I've explained this to > don't buy it at all and say it has no place in a serious medical > discussion and belongs is a book of fairy tails. If you explain it like that, no wonder they think it's ludicrous! > And why is it that they number of sufferers has been grossly > overestimated? If we were to believe the stats quoted by David Wise, > Curtis Nickel, and others, 5% - 15% of men would have the disease. > However, common sense suggests that no where near this many men have > the condition. That's another subject entirely. > Prostatitis cannot be detected, indentified, or defined, so YES -- I > believe most of us have something else that has no been detected. Do > research on "wastebasket diagnosis". Once again: there is a 2005 study showing a remarkable 72% improvement rate in patients at http://www.geocities.com/prostatitis_home/ > > Why is it that no one in the medical community buys into the theory, > > if they have even heard of it? [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Once again: there is a 2005 study showing a remarkable 72% improvement > rate in patients at http://www.geocities.com/prostatitis_home the reason this board has slowed down is that everybody has taken fatty mawson's advice and laid off grains,taken digestive advantage ibs, and in bad cases take amitriptylene.what is commonly referred to as chronic prostatitis is nothing to do with the prostate gland at all.it is a problem in the bowels most likely an adverse reaction to prolonged consumption of grains and the pain is deferred into the rectum and groin.it takes about one week for a cp patient to get better after he stops consuming grains.some people have dual problems.adverse reaction to grains and sciatic nerve problems which are amplified by the comsumption of grains which is the reason some patients must also take amitriptylene. but nothing will work to relieve the pain of cp until you stop eating grains. you must treat cp one step at the time stop grains.start a probiotic which will help a majority of patients. this must be done before any treatment with amitriptylene will work. in my opinion that 2005 study is t-total t-mortal jive. > > > Why is it that no one in the medical community buys into the theory, > > > if they have even heard of it? [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > this must be done before any treatment with amitriptylene will work. > in my opinion that 2005 study is t-total t-mortal jive. You see responses like this and you don't need to wonder why this forum is dead. Too many hard headed opinions with no latitude for the possibility that there may be many different problems that people call prostatitis. well well well mr. nc when you have proven me wrong i will gladly switch to what you recommend. i haven't seen any of your opinions posted what do you recommend? my previous post has helped many people. maybe you are too hardheaded to try anything. maybe you just want to sit on your a.s and hurt if you han't tried don't kick it there is only 2 things that cause cp one is the consumption of grain and the other is the sciatic nerve or combination of both in some people. i run the most successful clinic in the country for the treatment of disabled veterans with cp. the first thing we do is take them off grains, give them probiotics, then amitriptylene or or oxycodone or both depending on how bad their sciatic nerve is damaged they all get better what do you run ? i think the only thing you run is your mouth. signed fatty mawsom taterbug said > well well well mr. nc when you have proven me wrong i will gladly > switch to what you recommend. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > i think the only thing you run is your mouth. > signed fatty mawsom Quack quack quack > You see responses like this and you don't need to wonder why this forum is > dead. Too many hard headed opinions with no latitude for the possibility > that there may be many different problems that people call prostatitis. Which is what I have been trying to tell Toby. "Prostatitis" is just a wastsebasket diagnosis given by a doctor who does not know the cause of your pain or just does not care to find out. That's why so few doctors seem to know anything about it and why there is no public awareness of this condition despite claims if 10% incidence. Toby also seems to support the Stanford Protocol. The Idea of spending $3500+ to have these so-called "trigger points" stretched in a six day clinic, then spend $1000s more on physical theorapy in hopes that I'll get some relief 1 year from now is just not a responsible investment, in my opinion. > Which is what I have been trying to tell Toby. "Prostatitis" is just > a wastsebasket diagnosis given by a doctor who does not know the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > hopes that I'll get some relief 1 year from now is just not a > responsible investment, in my opinion. Ok then, Razor, then if you've decided that trigger points and myofascial dysfunction are not the cause for you, and you've tried all the uros and clinics, what else is there for you? Why not give us a list of everything YOU have tried, and how those things worked out for you. > Ok then, Razor, then if you've decided that trigger points and > myofascial dysfunction are not the cause for you, and you've tried all > the uros and clinics, what else is there for you? Never said that I tried all uros. In fact, I've only seen two. The first was a general uro who did not want to listen to me and did not take the needed time to examine me closely. When he said I had "prostatitis", I had never heard of the condition, but I knew that this really meant that he did not know and was just making a guess. However, I made the costly mistake of not getting a second opinion for a more expirienced and less arrogant uro. Instead, I went to a prostatitis specialist, Dr. Zeitlin in Sherman Oaks, who used to share an office and still follows the protocals of Dr. Shoskes. I'm going to see another uro this week and hopefully get some answers. > Why not give us a list of everything YOU have tried, and how those > things worked out for you. Cipro, which did squat since there is no bacterial infection. I was also put on Elavil, which just put me to sleep for 24 hours a day. What I need to try now is something that will get to the root of the problem and not some expirmental trigger point therapy or some worthless PEENUTS product. > Instead, I went to a prostatitis specialist, Dr. Zeitlin in Sherman Oaks, If he didn't help you then there's little point seeing any more uros. > Cipro ... Elavil... PEENUTS Tell you what, you keep looking and if you have no success, come and get some help at http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/ >> Instead, I went to a prostatitis specialist, Dr. Zeitlin in Sherman Oaks, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Tell you what, you keep looking and if you have no success, come and get > some help at http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/ Maybe. But you can't blame me for wishing that there is some condition that can be identified and corrected. That's what I was hoping for -- some other than CPPS that some doctor missed through carelessness. Pelvic pain is a living hell and robs one of life. I'm not saying that SP does not work. I think Wise and Anderson are very devoted to helping people. I'm just saying it is a lot of money spend if you are not sure that it is the proper treatment for one's problem. Even though it may be based on the studies of credible doctors, it is not yet recognized by the medical community. I'm willing to try attacking this from a few different ends, since these UROS are getting me nowhere. Dieting, stretching... I just don't know where to begin. |
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