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mo - 17 Dec 2005 22:55 GMT i may have stumbled across a cure for cp totally by accident. about a week ago i was in walmart and bought a tin of altoid cinnamon candies. i also purchased a apple cider drink that you mix with hot water which is sugar free. for the last week i have had very little trouble with my cp and my lobido is way up.haven't felt this good in many years. what i need is for someone else to try this. not sure if i am going through just a good streak or if the cinnamon and apple cider is are actually helping me. ever since i first developed cp my dick always felt like something was irritating it and it seemed as if it was trying to shrink or withdraw back into my crotch.i also always had a feeling that if i could just take one giant sh.t,that all the pain would clear up. now all of that has cleared up. i do wish that someone else would try this and see if they get positive results. if i get worse i will post again and let everybody know.
molamus
Pete - 18 Dec 2005 22:13 GMT > i may have stumbled across a cure for cp totally by accident. > about a week ago i was in walmart and bought a tin of altoid [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > molamus Mo...how fast did you notice the results from this miraculous cure. I sounds like you got immediate results (which I doubt since most herbal type remedies can take weeks to months to work). Also rule of thumb is spices are bad for prostatitis, along with coffee alcohol, acids etc. The two items you mentioned (cinnamon, and the apple cider drink with aspartame in it) are quite spicy...Pete
PS - Here is an interesting article I found on a cinnamon prostatitis search.
http://www.herbnet.com/ask%20the%20herbalist/asktheherbalist_questions%20on%20ma le%20issues.htm
It says that cinnamon could be bad for prostate cancer because the beta sitosterol in it can encourage the growth of cancer cells, but then it says saw palmetto is good for the prostate, but the active ingredient in saw palmetto for DHT reduction in BPH is beta sitosterol (that's a contradiction). Concentrated beta sitosterol is much more potent than what you get in saw palmetto, and it is highly recommended for BPH in lieu of the drug proscar. I have beta sitosterol (not taking it currently), but never read about the cancer cell problem, but I don't have prostate cancer that I know of. It is also interesting to note that cautions on proscar say that it may also enhance cancer growth if cancer is already there or occurs after starting it (it does not say that it can cause cancer).
mo - 18 Dec 2005 23:29 GMT after 3 days i noticed that my pain level was dropping,today is sunday and i have had no pain at all.can't rememberwhen i have had a day with no pain. i think my dick got about 2 or 3 inches longer now that it doesn't feel irritated. i am just praying that this is helping me.i don't really know what it is like to feel normal. i have never had a week of little or no pain. i have always suspected that something in my bowels was causing me the terrible pain. well if i come down with a relapse i will let you know. the only reason i use sugar free is that i am diabetic
Pete - 19 Dec 2005 00:29 GMT > after 3 days i noticed that my pain level was dropping,today is sunday > and i have had no [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > well if i come down with a relapse i will let you know. > the only reason i use sugar free is that i am diabetic Mo...I guess you are serious (don't know about the 2 or 3 inch extension). But I feel like I am f.cking dying as I write this and there aint no way in hell that cinnamon or apple cider mix is going to solve my problems. I bought some just to see what it tasted like. If it works for you, good luck. I have severe malaise (I mean bad - imagine the worst flu you have ever had), bad nausea, achy all over, serious pain and discomfort in my whole perineum (bladder, urethra and rectum), and the feeling you mentioned like you feel you have to have a bowel movement.
And the damn doctors can't help me, and if I go to emergency they will just send me home. I am screwed and know I have cancer. I have written in here before and it would take too long to explain my problems. Just had a TURP in April and all it did was exaxcerbate my prostatitis and I have never recovered. Anti's and massages don't help. Been to the uro's office twenty times in last year, my internist just looks at me puzzled and says nothing he can do. I have a serious immune deficiency that I know is related to all this (and no one can help me with it), and I am getting worse every day, and live by myself with no one to help me.
Pain killers and amitriptyline just constipate me, neurontin no help, NSAIDS no help and can't take them anyway because of stomach problems. And you get better by taking some cinnamon candy and some apple cider mix for a few days. That is truly incredible. I wonder which one is helping you, the cinnamon or the cider derivative (could be both, but when you take two or more things different at the same time you have no way of knowing). Only way of telling now would be to stop one at a time and see if you get worse. But I'm sure you don't want to do that if you feel like a new person now.
Take care...Pete
mo - 19 Dec 2005 14:56 GMT mr. pete, i know what you are going through you prob ably don't have cp. you should probably have someone take a look at your coccyx or your tail bone. start taking motrin take very hot sitz baths 2 or 3 times a day take a very high quality digestive enzyme. take a vegetable laxative don't eat anything with a lot of fiber including grains and beans. go the drug store and buy yourself a hydrocolator.heat it up and lay on it while it is placed under your lower back. you need to break the pain cycle get your dr. to prescribe a potent pain killer like oxycodone or oxycontin. you should not suffer from constipation if you take vegetable laxative. walk a lot do deep bending exercises take gas pills like gas -x or beano take lactaid ,a digestive enzyme for dairy products get your dr. to prescribe baclofin. 10 mg will not work you will need more don't take abx's,they will temporarily make you better ,but will make you worse in the long run chances are that you will never be cured, but what i have just told you will definitely help you. doctors can't help you. they have no idea of what is wrong with you. chances are is that your coccyx in damaged and inflamed and may well be putting pressure on your bowels. dr's do not want to do surgery on your coccyx because it is a very serious operation. i assume that you are retired or disabled. don't just sit around the house and hurt, be proactive when you are busy you will have less time to think about it.
Pete - 19 Dec 2005 19:48 GMT Mo...I've read your stuff before, and have had all the scans (including the coccyx) etc, and I told you I've tried all the pill stuff (what you wrote below is a copy of your standard input), and I won't get into the diet stuff (too non specific and most likely a lot of trouble for nothing - I have a hard enough time eating as it is, especially living by myself). And, I have been soaking for years.
You are entitled to your opinions, and I believe you are trying to help, but I certainly have cp as well as urethritis and cystitis, or CPPS if you wish (they're all part of a continuum if you read the studies), and a lot of other immune problems (like a constant virus that won't let go). I also have sarcoidosis and stomach problems. I believe my uro problems are driving everything now.
I'm just waiting for the constant fever and then it will kill me, because as soon as you go into an ER and tell them your history and indicate a chronic condition, you're out on your ear, and they will tell you to pick back up with one of the doctors you were seeing (after they call one to verify what you are saying, because they consider us ignorant - boy that pisses me off). Did that a year ago for some serious stomach problems. They only treat acute conditions in the ER like heart attack, vomiting blood, gun shot wounds, car accidents, etc. They might give you an anti for a high fever, but that isn't going to help me, and then they would still just send you home, and tell you to go to a specialist or whatever. And then they may give you a flat view x-ray, what a joke, and waste of time. I'm sure they would give you a catscan if you were screaming in pain, and haven't taken a sh.t in a week.
Now mo, I have some info for you. What type of diabetes do you have (type I or II). Dr. Isadore Rosenfeld (America's favorite doctor) says a study was done in Beltsville, MD that indicates as little as a half tsp.of cinnamon a day may reduce blood glucose by up to 30% per day (and therefore may help prevent the onset of type II diabetes), while decreasing cholesterol and other fats in the blood. It's in his "2005 Breakthrough Health", which he is currently publishing every year (he has written many other books).
Just thought I'd mention that to you in regard to the supposed miraculous cure of your cp with the cinnamon candy and the apple cider mix (which you can bet has cinnamon flavoring in it, but may not be natural). I was wondering if there could be some kind of strange relationship between your cp and your diabetes.
Take care and let us know if you have a relapse of your cp, or how you are doing a week from now. This group is almost extinct now, and I have mainly been participating in the BPH group stressing the possible relationship or crossover between BPH and prostatitis. That is a good ng, but mostly about PVP's. My problems go way beyond either one (ie prostatitis or BPH), and something is systemically destroying me (the malaise along with the pain and discomfort is unbelievable).
You all talk about your pains after sex, and your libido, etc. Hell I couldn't have sex if I wanted to, and will never get laid again, and it is difficult at best to ejaculate and try to keep things flushed out so to speak. And I am only 58 years old, and f.cked. I am a retired engineer, been married twice and live by myself with my 2 cats, and have no friends or family left, and no one to help me.
I am not disabled, but feel as bad as you can (there is no way I could go to work now though). Only go to grocery stores and doctors. Built all the furniture in my house, but haven't been in my shop in over a year because I'm not in the mood (my shop was my whole life after my "early out" retirement). I understand what you said about getting your mind off it, but when the malaise and pain are so bad and constant, its a little difficult. When I can't stand it (which is every day), I just keep putting a heating pad on my belly/groin to try to get my mind of it (and I also try to sleep that way), and I soak. I never sleep, just catnaps, and lay in bed, and get up late. I have a nice house and workshop, but live in misery.
Sorry for the rambling, I'm not looking for pity, just trying to vent my frustration...Pete
> mr. pete, i know what you are going through > you prob ably don't have cp. you should probably have someone take [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > don't just sit around the house and hurt, be proactive > when you are busy you will have less time to think about it. fattymawson - 20 Dec 2005 02:49 GMT mr pete,i sense that you are a skeptic the info from my previous post is what i have learned from 39 years of cp symptoms. at one time i had the same symptoms as you. the pain was as bad ,if not worse than what you describe. i finally gave up on dr's except for pain pills . i know you probably lay in bed and wonder why the dr's can't find something wrong with you. you will never develop a fever and die from your symptoms. the reason they cannot find anything wrong with you is that your problem will not show up on x-rays,mri's,and cat scans and all the other tests that have been performed on you. what i am about to tell you is highly classified info gleaned from the files of the fatty mawson institute. you have developed a problem in your bowels that will not let you digest fiber, when this happens you have a tremendous build of gas in your large intestines. for reasons not known to anybody you are not able to pass the gas. as the gas builds up it begins to stretch your bowels and causes tremendous pain in the groin,and lower back. if you lay off fiber you will get better and the gas problem will lessen to a point that you can live a half way decent life.it will not happen over night but over a period of 1 to 2 weeks before you really notice the improvement.. yes, my problem came back today after a week of freedom from pain, but i was able to knock it down to a level i could tolerate with 2 oxycodone and 4 beano tablets. i know you are a skeptic and will probably disregard this post. if you do you will never get better. i am talking from 39 years of cp symptoms. if i hadn't found the treatment i told you about i probably would have committed an evil deed a long time ago. good luck and i certainly hope you get better. molamus
Pete - 20 Dec 2005 18:11 GMT Mo...I knew I shouldn't have gotten into this with you. I have read your standard posts from long ago. You are so full of sh.t about the fiber its rediculous (no pun intended). Fiber is good for you and I don't eat enough of it anyway. Good-bye Mo.
> mr pete,i sense that you are a skeptic > the info from my previous post is what i have learned from 39 years of [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > good luck and i certainly hope you get better. > molamus mo - 20 Dec 2005 20:37 GMT well you should just suffer in silence goodbye shithead your mama
Pete - 20 Dec 2005 21:13 GMT Mo...you are one of the reasons why this ng is almost extinct. You wrote me the same sh.t 6 months ago (and don't even remember) and you write the same sh.t to everyone, every so often. You can take your stupid a.s fatty mawson institute and shove it up your a.s.
If your damn diet works so well, how come you have been suffering for 39 years and now just discovered that taking cinnamon candy for a couple of days has cured your cp (what a f.cking joke). You are a real a.shole and so ignorant it's pathetic. Boy am I sorry for ever responding to your stupid a.s post.
You are nothing but a f.cking troll. Get out of the newsgroup.
> well you should just suffer in silence > goodbye shithead > your mama rdfslg@aol.com - 21 Dec 2005 04:13 GMT yea i second that.............
mo - 21 Dec 2005 23:30 GMT for your info sh.t head i am cured. i don't have any problem with cp you are banned from reading any more of my posts.ANYMORE OUTBURSTS FROM YOU WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. YOU JUST A CRY BABY. I AM A BIG BOLD PROUD MAN NOT A LITTLE WIMP LIKE YOU you probably never have been laid i wonder if you have some tendencies that we should be aware of
Slightly Unsure - 20 Dec 2005 20:48 GMT > Mo...I knew I shouldn't have gotten into this with you. I have read your > standard posts from long ago. You are so full of sh.t about the fiber its > rediculous (no pun intended). Fiber is good for you and I don't eat > enough of it anyway. Good-bye Mo. Billy Connolly said that fibre and brown bread etc are supposed to increase the length of life but that it doesn't give you 2 extra weeks when you are 35 and really able to take advantage of that in many different ways. It gives them to you when you are incontinent and 80 and just wanting to go. You say "God, let me GO!" and a big finger comes down, points at you and says "NO! YOU ate brown bread and lots of FIBRE! You have TWO MORE WEEKS of life!"
So to everyone who eats all the right things, sorry but facts are facts! :)
JACK HARRIS - 17 Apr 2006 06:12 GMT What is name of apple cider drink from wal mart that you are taking, and how much per day?
> i may have stumbled across a cure for cp totally by accident. > about a week ago i was in walmart and bought a tin of altoid [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > molamus TP - 19 Jun 2006 23:13 GMT I went to Wal-Mart and was told that there used to be a Sam's Apple Cider soda water, but that was discontinued. We searched the inventory and the only product that came up in the computer was Alpine Spiced Cider Sugar-Free Apple Flavor Drink Mix, 10 pouch box for USD 1.50. It's where the teas and coffees are kept. There's a sugar free and with sugar. I bought 6 of them. I took two packages, mixed them into my iced tea at the Mexican restaurant where I had lunch. I was hurting this morning but now I don't feel anything and my flow is a bit less constricted. Placebo effect? Probably. Unless and until we hear otherwise from Jack Harris, I'm going to be drinking 2 pouches of this stuff 4 times a day. No caffeeine, 15 calories per pouch, USD 1.20 can't even buy an ice tea or cup of coffee in most places.
> What is name of apple cider drink from wal mart that you are taking, and how > much per day? [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > molamus Jason Johnson - 20 Jun 2006 03:25 GMT I went to Wal-Mart and was told that there used to be a Sam's Apple Cider soda water, but that was discontinued. We searched the inventory and the only product that came up in the computer was Alpine Spiced Cider Sugar-Free Apple Flavor Drink Mix, 10 pouch box for USD 1.50. It's where the teas and coffees are kept. There's a sugar free and with sugar. I bought 6 of them. I took two packages, mixed them into my iced tea at the Mexican restaurant where I had lunch. I was hurting this morning but now I don't feel anything and my flow is a bit less constricted. Placebo effect? Probably. Unless and until we hear otherwise from Jack Harris, I'm going to be drinking 2 pouches of this stuff 4 times a day. No caffeeine, 15 calories per pouch, USD 1.20 can't even buy an ice tea or cup of coffee in most places.
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TP, Most health food stores sell Apple Cidar Vinegar (with the mother). I don't recall why the "mother" is important. I seem to recall reading that ACV helps to clean out out the urininary tract. My aunt drinks it every day and believed that is the reason she has never had a urininary tract infection. People that have lots of problems with urin. tract infections should at least try it to see if it helps. Jason
TP - 20 Jun 2006 04:34 GMT > TP, > Most health food stores sell Apple Cidar Vinegar (with the mother). I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > least try it to see if it helps. > Jason I had a highly educated, very progressive dentist who also had degrees in nutrition. He told me about using apple cider vinegar, molasses and one other common thing to of all things, cure cancer. This was no crank. He was a world respected expert. It appears the old wives tales and so called "urban legends" about cider vinegar aren't so bogus after all. It is in many ways close to a cure all. Are there sufficient studies to prove? Heck no. Can't get a researcher to take the stuff serious enough. Also, I suppose, it would be considered conspiracy to commit murder for a researcher to do such research on enough human subjects. The dentist diet in a motor cycle accident while vacationing in Mexico. This guy was something else. Told me to not drink pop. The phosphorous in pop leaches out the calcium from teeth and bones. How many dentists will tell you that?
Jason Johnson - 20 Jun 2006 17:10 GMT "Jason Johnson" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message news:jason-1906061925440001@66-52-22-82.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...
> In article <e777hl08at@enews2.newsguy.com>, "TP" > <tpallTRASH@THISrealtime.SPAMnet> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > least try it to see if it helps. > Jason I had a highly educated, very progressive dentist who also had degrees in nutrition. He told me about using apple cider vinegar, molasses and one other common thing to of all things, cure cancer. This was no crank. He was a world respected expert. It appears the old wives tales and so called "urban legends" about cider vinegar aren't so bogus after all. It is in many ways close to a cure all. Are there sufficient studies to prove? Heck no. Can't get a researcher to take the stuff serious enough. Also, I suppose, it would be considered conspiracy to commit murder for a researcher to do such research on enough human subjects. The dentist diet in a motor cycle accident while vacationing in Mexico. This guy was something else. Told me to not drink pop. The phosphorous in pop leaches out the calcium from teeth and bones. How many dentists will tell you that?
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Hello, That dentist was a wonderful person. Of course, research studies will not be done since there is no way of making billions of dollars in patent fees. For these same reasons very little research will be done related to most of the vit., minerals and herbs sold in health food stores. I subscribe to a newsletter written by an alternative doctor named Julian Whitaker. www.drwhitaker.com He has been in a war with the medical establishment for many years. I really admire him and have learned lots of medical information from him related to vit., minerals, ACV and herbs. Since my doctor refuses to refer me to specialists for special tests, I have had to rely on vit., minerals, diet and herbs to control my high acid levels (metabolic problems). Before I started the special diet and the use of vit., minerals and herbs I was vomiting 2 or 3 times per week. I no longer drink coffee or cokes or eat high acid foods. Jason
DRLARRYVON@gmail.com - 08 Jul 2006 20:32 GMT SO WHAT IS THE ONE OTHER COMMON THING BESIDES VINEGAR AND MOLASSES THAT THE DENTIST USED TO CURE CANCER? WHAT IS IT? AND WHO IS THE DENTIST?
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> "Jason Johnson" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:jason-1906061925440001@66-52-22-82.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net... [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > times per week. I no longer drink coffee or cokes or eat high acid foods. > Jason T - 09 Jul 2006 16:50 GMT > SO WHAT IS THE ONE OTHER COMMON THING BESIDES VINEGAR AND MOLASSES THAT > THE DENTIST USED TO CURE CANCER? > WHAT IS IT? > AND WHO IS THE DENTIST? > > DR VON a.shole, don't post when you're drunk and drugged up. The dentist didn't treat cancer. He treated gum, jaw and teeth problems. He was very fascinated by the medcinal aspects of nutrician, which is why he had at least a masters degree in nutrition. He relayed stories he had heard of people curing themselves of cancer and other things with these items.
No get the f*ck off the board.
DRLARRYVON@gmail.com - 09 Jul 2006 18:21 GMT Well the f.cking dentist is dead now, so what the f.ck, his remedies are useless in all forms, cause once youre dead before your natural statistical tendency, any remedies, any rationalization is just f.cking rhetoric, a.shole! A master's degree in f.cking BS is more like it, like yours!
> > SO WHAT IS THE ONE OTHER COMMON THING BESIDES VINEGAR AND MOLASSES THAT > > THE DENTIST USED TO CURE CANCER? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > No get the f*ck off the board. T - 10 Jul 2006 19:13 GMT Enter my killfile...
> Well the f.cking dentist is dead now, so what the f.ck, his remedies > are useless in all forms, cause [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > > No get the f*ck off the board.
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