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mo - 17 Dec 2005 22:55 GMT
i may have stumbled across a cure for cp totally by accident.
about a week ago i was in walmart and bought a tin of altoid
cinnamon candies. i also purchased a apple cider drink that
you mix with hot water which is sugar free.
for the last week i have had very little trouble with my cp and
my lobido is way up.haven't felt this good in many years.
what i need is for someone else to try this.
not sure if i am going through just a good streak or if the
cinnamon and apple cider is are actually helping me.
ever since i first developed cp my dick always felt like
something was irritating it and it seemed as if it was trying to shrink
or withdraw back into my crotch.i also always had a feeling that if i
could
just take one giant sh.t,that all the pain would clear up.
now all of that has cleared up.
i do wish that someone else would try this and see if they get
positive results.
if i get worse i will post again and let everybody know.

molamus
Pete - 18 Dec 2005 22:13 GMT
> i may have stumbled across a cure for cp totally by accident.
> about a week ago i was in walmart and bought a tin of altoid
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>
> molamus

Mo...how fast did you notice the results from this miraculous cure.  I
sounds like you got immediate results (which I doubt since most herbal type
remedies can take weeks to months to work).  Also rule of thumb is spices
are bad for prostatitis, along with coffee alcohol, acids etc.  The two
items you mentioned (cinnamon, and the apple cider drink with aspartame in
it) are quite spicy...Pete

PS - Here is an interesting article I found on a cinnamon prostatitis
search.

http://www.herbnet.com/ask%20the%20herbalist/asktheherbalist_questions%20on%20ma
le%20issues.htm


It says that cinnamon could be bad for prostate cancer because the beta
sitosterol in it can encourage the growth of cancer cells, but then it says
saw palmetto is good for the prostate, but the active ingredient in saw
palmetto for DHT reduction in  BPH is beta sitosterol (that's a
contradiction).  Concentrated beta sitosterol is much more potent than what
you get in saw palmetto, and it is highly recommended for BPH in lieu of the
drug proscar.  I have beta sitosterol (not taking it currently), but never
read about the cancer cell problem, but I don't have prostate cancer that I
know of.  It is also interesting to note that cautions on proscar say that
it may also enhance cancer growth if cancer is already there or occurs after
starting it (it does not say that it can cause cancer).
mo - 18 Dec 2005 23:29 GMT
after 3 days i noticed that my pain level was dropping,today is sunday
and i have had no
pain at all.can't rememberwhen i have had a day with no pain.
i think my dick got about 2 or 3 inches longer now that it doesn't feel
irritated.
i am just praying that this is helping me.i don't really know what it
is like to feel normal.
i have never had a week of little or no pain.
i have always suspected that something in my bowels was causing me the
terrible pain.
well if i come down with a relapse i will let you know.
the only reason i use sugar free is that i am diabetic
Pete - 19 Dec 2005 00:29 GMT
> after 3 days i noticed that my pain level was dropping,today is sunday
> and i have had no
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> well if i come down with a relapse i will let you know.
> the only reason i use sugar free is that i am diabetic

Mo...I guess you are serious (don't know about the 2 or 3 inch extension).
But I feel like I am f.cking dying as I write this and there aint no way in
hell that cinnamon or apple cider mix is going to solve my problems.  I
bought some just to see what it tasted like.  If it works for you, good
luck.  I have severe malaise (I mean bad - imagine the worst flu you have
ever had), bad nausea, achy all over, serious pain and discomfort in my
whole perineum (bladder, urethra and rectum), and the feeling you mentioned
like you feel you have to have a bowel movement.

And the damn doctors can't help me, and if I go to emergency they will just
send me home.  I am screwed and know I have cancer.  I have written in here
before and it would take too long to explain my problems.  Just had a TURP
in April and all it did was exaxcerbate my prostatitis and I have never
recovered.  Anti's and massages don't help.  Been to the uro's office twenty
times in last year, my internist just looks at me puzzled and says nothing
he can do.  I have a serious immune deficiency that I know is related to all
this (and no one can help me with it), and I am getting worse every day, and
live by myself with no one to help me.

Pain killers and amitriptyline just constipate me, neurontin no help, NSAIDS
no help and can't take them anyway because of stomach problems.  And you get
better by taking some cinnamon candy and some apple cider mix for a few
days.  That is truly incredible.  I wonder which one is helping you, the
cinnamon or the cider derivative (could be both, but when you take two or
more things different at the same time you have no way of knowing).  Only
way of telling now would be to stop one at a time and see if you get worse.
But I'm sure you don't want to do that if you feel like a new person now.

Take care...Pete
mo - 19 Dec 2005 14:56 GMT
mr. pete, i know what you are going through
you prob ably don't have cp. you should probably have someone take
a look at your coccyx or your tail bone.
start taking motrin
take very hot sitz baths 2 or 3 times a day
take a very high quality digestive enzyme.
take a vegetable laxative
don't eat anything with a lot of fiber including grains and beans.
go the drug store and buy yourself a hydrocolator.heat it up and lay on
it while
it is placed under your lower back.
you need to break the pain cycle
get your dr. to prescribe a potent pain killer like oxycodone or
oxycontin.
you should not suffer from constipation if you take vegetable laxative.
walk a lot
do deep bending exercises
take gas pills like gas -x or beano
take lactaid ,a digestive enzyme for dairy products
get your dr. to prescribe baclofin. 10 mg will not work you will need
more
don't take abx's,they will temporarily make you better ,but will make
you worse in the long run
chances are that you will never be cured, but what i have just told you
will
definitely help you.
doctors can't help you. they have no idea of what is wrong with you.
chances are is that your coccyx in damaged and inflamed and may well
be putting pressure on your bowels.
dr's do not want to do surgery on your coccyx because it is a very
serious operation.
i assume that you are retired or disabled.
don't just sit around the house and hurt, be proactive
when you are busy you will have less time to think about it.
Pete - 19 Dec 2005 19:48 GMT
Mo...I've read your stuff before, and have had all the scans (including the
coccyx) etc, and I told you I've tried all the pill stuff (what you wrote
below is a copy of your standard input), and I won't get into the diet stuff
(too non specific and most likely a lot of trouble for nothing - I have a
hard enough time eating as it is, especially living by myself).  And, I have
been soaking for years.

You are entitled to your opinions, and I believe you are trying to help, but
I certainly have cp as well as urethritis and cystitis, or CPPS if you wish
(they're all part of a continuum if you read the studies), and a lot of
other immune problems (like a constant virus that won't let go).  I also
have sarcoidosis and stomach problems.  I believe my uro problems are
driving everything now.

I'm just waiting for the constant fever and then it will kill me, because as
soon as you go into an ER and tell them your history and indicate a chronic
condition, you're out on your ear, and they will tell you to pick back up
with one of the doctors you were seeing (after they call one to verify what
you are saying, because they consider us ignorant - boy that pisses me off).
Did that a year ago for some serious stomach problems.  They only treat
acute conditions in the ER like heart attack, vomiting blood, gun shot
wounds, car accidents, etc.  They might give you an anti for a high fever,
but that isn't going to help me, and then they would still just send you
home, and tell you to go to a specialist or whatever.  And then they may
give you a flat view x-ray, what a joke, and waste of time.  I'm sure they
would give you a catscan if you were screaming in pain, and haven't taken a
sh.t in a week.

Now mo, I have some info for you.  What type of diabetes do you have (type I
or II).  Dr. Isadore Rosenfeld (America's favorite doctor) says a study was
done in Beltsville, MD that indicates as little as a half tsp.of cinnamon a
day may reduce blood glucose by up to 30% per day (and therefore may help
prevent the onset of type II diabetes), while decreasing cholesterol and
other fats in the blood.  It's in his "2005 Breakthrough Health", which he
is currently publishing every year (he has written many other books).

Just thought I'd mention that to you in regard to the supposed miraculous
cure of your cp with the cinnamon candy and the apple cider mix (which you
can bet has cinnamon flavoring in it, but may not be natural).  I was
wondering if there could be some kind of strange relationship between your
cp and your diabetes.

Take care and let us know if you have a relapse of your cp, or how you are
doing a week from now.  This group is almost extinct now, and I have mainly
been participating in the BPH group stressing the possible relationship or
crossover between BPH and prostatitis.  That is a good ng, but mostly about
PVP's.  My problems go way beyond either one (ie prostatitis or BPH), and
something is systemically destroying me (the malaise along with the pain and
discomfort is unbelievable).

You all talk about your pains after sex, and your libido, etc.  Hell I
couldn't have sex if I wanted to, and will never get laid again, and it is
difficult at best to ejaculate and try to keep things flushed out so to
speak.  And I am only 58 years old, and f.cked.  I am a retired engineer,
been married twice and live by myself with my 2 cats, and have no friends or
family left, and no one to help me.

I am not disabled, but feel as bad as you can (there is no way I could go to
work now though).  Only go to grocery stores and doctors.  Built all the
furniture in my house, but haven't been in my shop in over a year because
I'm not in the mood (my shop was my whole life after my "early out"
retirement).  I understand what you said about getting your mind off it, but
when the malaise and pain are so bad and constant, its a little difficult.
When I can't stand it (which is every day), I just keep putting a heating
pad on my belly/groin to try to get my mind of it (and I also try to sleep
that way), and I soak.  I never sleep, just catnaps, and lay in bed, and get
up late.  I have a nice house and workshop, but live in misery.

Sorry for the rambling, I'm not looking for pity, just trying to vent my
frustration...Pete

> mr. pete, i know what you are going through
> you prob ably don't have cp. you should probably have someone take
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> don't just sit around the house and hurt, be proactive
> when you are busy you will have less time to think about it.
fattymawson - 20 Dec 2005 02:49 GMT
mr pete,i sense that you are a skeptic
the info from my previous post is what i have learned from 39 years of
cp symptoms.
at one time i had the same symptoms as you.
the pain was as bad ,if not worse  than what you describe.
i finally gave up on dr's except for pain pills .
i know you probably lay in bed and wonder why the dr's
can't find something wrong with you.
you will never develop a fever and die from your symptoms.
the reason they cannot find anything wrong with you is that your
problem will not show up on x-rays,mri's,and cat scans and all the
other tests that have been performed on you.
what i am about to tell you is highly classified info gleaned from the
files of the
fatty mawson institute.
you have developed a problem in your bowels that will not let you
digest fiber,
when this happens you have a tremendous build of gas in  your large
intestines.
for reasons not known to anybody you are not able to pass the gas.
as the gas builds up it begins to stretch your bowels and causes
tremendous
pain in the groin,and lower back.
if you lay off fiber you will get better and the gas problem will
lessen to a point that you
can live a half way decent life.it will not happen over night but over
a period of 1 to 2 weeks before you really notice the improvement..
yes, my problem came back today after a week of freedom from pain,
but i was able to knock it down to a level i could tolerate with 2
oxycodone
and 4 beano tablets.
i know you are a skeptic and will probably disregard this post.
if you do you will never get better. i am talking from 39 years of cp
symptoms.
if i hadn't found the treatment i told you about i probably would have
committed
an evil deed a long time ago.
good luck and i certainly hope you get better.
molamus
Pete - 20 Dec 2005 18:11 GMT
Mo...I knew I shouldn't have gotten into this with you.  I have read your
standard posts from long ago.  You are so full of sh.t about the fiber its
rediculous (no pun intended).  Fiber is good for you and I don't eat enough
of it anyway.  Good-bye Mo.

> mr pete,i sense that you are a skeptic
> the info from my previous post is what i have learned from 39 years of
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> good luck and i certainly hope you get better.
> molamus
mo - 20 Dec 2005 20:37 GMT
well you should just suffer in silence
goodbye shithead
your mama
Pete - 20 Dec 2005 21:13 GMT
Mo...you are one of the reasons why this ng is almost extinct.  You wrote me
the same sh.t 6 months ago (and don't even remember) and you write the same
sh.t to everyone, every so often. You can take your stupid a.s fatty mawson
institute and shove it up your a.s.

If your damn diet works so well, how come you have been suffering for 39
years and now just discovered that taking cinnamon candy for a couple of
days has cured your cp (what a f.cking joke).  You are a real a.shole and so
ignorant it's pathetic.  Boy am I sorry for ever responding to your stupid
a.s post.

You are nothing but a f.cking troll.  Get out of the newsgroup.

> well you should just suffer in silence
> goodbye shithead
> your mama
rdfslg@aol.com - 21 Dec 2005 04:13 GMT
yea i second that.............
mo - 21 Dec 2005 23:30 GMT
for your info sh.t head i am cured.
i don't have any problem with cp
you are banned from reading any more
of my posts.ANYMORE OUTBURSTS FROM YOU WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
YOU JUST A CRY BABY.
I AM A BIG BOLD PROUD MAN
NOT A LITTLE WIMP LIKE YOU
you probably never have been laid
i wonder if you have some tendencies
that we should be aware of
Slightly Unsure - 20 Dec 2005 20:48 GMT
> Mo...I knew I shouldn't have gotten into this with you.  I have read your
> standard posts from long ago.  You are so full of sh.t about the fiber its
> rediculous (no pun intended).  Fiber is good for you and I don't eat
> enough of it anyway.  Good-bye Mo.

Billy Connolly said that fibre and brown bread etc are supposed to increase
the length of life but that it doesn't give you 2 extra weeks when you are
35 and really able to take advantage of that in many different ways. It
gives them to you when you are incontinent and 80 and just wanting to go.
You say "God, let me GO!" and a big finger comes down, points at you and
says "NO! YOU ate brown bread and lots of FIBRE! You have TWO MORE WEEKS of
life!"

So to everyone who eats all the right things, sorry but facts are facts! :)
JACK HARRIS - 17 Apr 2006 06:12 GMT
What is name of apple cider drink from wal mart that you are taking, and how
much per day?
> i may have stumbled across a cure for cp totally by accident.
> about a week ago i was in walmart and bought a tin of altoid
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> molamus
TP - 19 Jun 2006 23:13 GMT
I went to Wal-Mart and was told that there used to be a Sam's Apple Cider
soda water, but that was discontinued.  We searched the inventory and the
only product that came up in the computer was Alpine Spiced Cider Sugar-Free
Apple Flavor Drink Mix, 10 pouch box for USD 1.50.  It's where the teas and
coffees are kept.  There's a sugar free and with sugar.  I bought 6 of them.
I took two packages, mixed them into my iced tea at the Mexican restaurant
where I had lunch.  I was hurting this morning but now I don't feel anything
and my flow is a bit less constricted.  Placebo effect?  Probably.  Unless
and until we hear otherwise from Jack Harris, I'm going to be drinking 2
pouches of this stuff 4 times a day.  No caffeeine, 15 calories per pouch,
USD 1.20 can't even buy an ice tea or cup of coffee in most places.

> What is name of apple cider drink from wal mart that you are taking, and how
> much per day?
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> >
> > molamus
Jason Johnson - 20 Jun 2006 03:25 GMT
I went to Wal-Mart and was told that there used to be a Sam's Apple Cider
soda water, but that was discontinued.  We searched the inventory and the
only product that came up in the computer was Alpine Spiced Cider Sugar-Free
Apple Flavor Drink Mix, 10 pouch box for USD 1.50.  It's where the teas and
coffees are kept.  There's a sugar free and with sugar.  I bought 6 of them.
I took two packages, mixed them into my iced tea at the Mexican restaurant
where I had lunch.  I was hurting this morning but now I don't feel anything
and my flow is a bit less constricted.  Placebo effect?  Probably.  Unless
and until we hear otherwise from Jack Harris, I'm going to be drinking 2
pouches of this stuff 4 times a day.  No caffeeine, 15 calories per pouch,
USD 1.20 can't even buy an ice tea or cup of coffee in most places.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

TP,
Most health food stores sell Apple Cidar Vinegar (with the mother). I
don't recall why the "mother" is important. I seem to recall reading that
ACV helps to clean out out the urininary tract. My aunt drinks it every
day and believed that is the reason she has never had a urininary tract
infection.
People that have lots of problems with urin. tract infections should at
least try it to see if it helps.
Jason
TP - 20 Jun 2006 04:34 GMT
> TP,
> Most health food stores sell Apple Cidar Vinegar (with the mother). I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> least try it to see if it helps.
> Jason

I had a highly educated, very progressive dentist who also had degrees in
nutrition.  He told me about using apple cider vinegar, molasses and one
other common thing to of all things, cure cancer.  This was no crank.  He
was a world respected expert.  It appears the old wives tales and so called
"urban legends" about cider vinegar aren't so bogus after all.  It is in
many ways close to a cure all.  Are there sufficient studies to prove?  Heck
no.  Can't get a researcher to take the stuff serious enough.  Also, I
suppose, it would be considered conspiracy to commit murder for a researcher
to do such research on enough human subjects.  The dentist diet in a motor
cycle accident while vacationing in Mexico.  This guy was something else.
Told me to not drink pop.  The phosphorous in pop leaches out the calcium
from teeth and bones.  How many dentists will tell you that?
Jason Johnson - 20 Jun 2006 17:10 GMT
"Jason Johnson" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1906061925440001@66-52-22-82.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...
> In article <e777hl08at@enews2.newsguy.com>, "TP"
> <tpallTRASH@THISrealtime.SPAMnet> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> least try it to see if it helps.
> Jason

I had a highly educated, very progressive dentist who also had degrees in
nutrition.  He told me about using apple cider vinegar, molasses and one
other common thing to of all things, cure cancer.  This was no crank.  He
was a world respected expert.  It appears the old wives tales and so called
"urban legends" about cider vinegar aren't so bogus after all.  It is in
many ways close to a cure all.  Are there sufficient studies to prove?  Heck
no.  Can't get a researcher to take the stuff serious enough.  Also, I
suppose, it would be considered conspiracy to commit murder for a researcher
to do such research on enough human subjects.  The dentist diet in a motor
cycle accident while vacationing in Mexico.  This guy was something else.
Told me to not drink pop.  The phosphorous in pop leaches out the calcium
from teeth and bones.  How many dentists will tell you that?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello,
That dentist was a wonderful person. Of course, research studies will not
be done since there is no way of making billions of dollars in patent
fees. For these same reasons very little research will be done related to
most of the vit., minerals and herbs sold in health food stores. I
subscribe to a newsletter written by an alternative doctor named Julian
Whitaker.
www.drwhitaker.com
He has been in a war with the medical establishment for many years. I
really admire him and have learned lots of medical information from him
related to vit., minerals, ACV and herbs. Since my doctor refuses to refer
me to specialists for special tests, I have had to rely on vit., minerals,
diet
and herbs to control my high acid levels (metabolic problems). Before I
started the special diet and the use of vit., minerals and herbs I was
vomiting 2 or 3
times per week. I no longer drink coffee or cokes or eat high acid foods.
Jason
DRLARRYVON@gmail.com - 08 Jul 2006 20:32 GMT
SO WHAT IS THE ONE OTHER COMMON THING BESIDES VINEGAR AND MOLASSES THAT
THE DENTIST USED TO CURE CANCER?
           WHAT IS IT?
            AND WHO IS THE DENTIST?

                           DR VON

>  "Jason Johnson" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
>  news:jason-1906061925440001@66-52-22-82.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
> times per week. I no longer drink coffee or cokes or eat high acid foods.
> Jason
T - 09 Jul 2006 16:50 GMT
> SO WHAT IS THE ONE OTHER COMMON THING BESIDES VINEGAR AND MOLASSES THAT
> THE DENTIST USED TO CURE CANCER?
>             WHAT IS IT?
>              AND WHO IS THE DENTIST?
>
>                             DR VON

a.shole, don't post when you're drunk and drugged up.  The dentist didn't
treat cancer.  He treated gum, jaw and teeth problems.  He was very
fascinated by the medcinal aspects of nutrician, which is why he had at
least a masters degree in nutrition.  He relayed stories he had heard of
people curing themselves of cancer and other things with these items.

No get the f*ck off the board.
DRLARRYVON@gmail.com - 09 Jul 2006 18:21 GMT
Well the f.cking dentist is dead now, so what the f.ck, his remedies
are useless in all forms, cause
once youre dead before your natural statistical tendency, any remedies,
any rationalization is just
f.cking rhetoric, a.shole! A master's degree in  f.cking BS is more
like it, like yours!
> > SO WHAT IS THE ONE OTHER COMMON THING BESIDES VINEGAR AND MOLASSES THAT
> > THE DENTIST USED TO CURE CANCER?
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> No get the f*ck off the board.
T - 10 Jul 2006 19:13 GMT
Enter my killfile...

> Well the f.cking dentist is dead now, so what the f.ck, his remedies
> are useless in all forms, cause
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> >
> > No get the f*ck off the board.
 
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