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Louisiana AG investigation of Tenet Health for euthanasia

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davemaschine - 22 Oct 2005 13:12 GMT
I shudder to read that a story that began breaking a few days ago may
indeed be true.  I wonder also, after the troubles that Tenet Health
has been having with the SEC, and allegations of fraud (including the
fraudulent, heavy overbilling of patients), why the news media has to
handle the creator, founder and author of this scandal or breaking
scandal, Tenet Health, with kid gloves.

Tenet Health's prepared statement pledge of cooperation with the
attorney general of Lousiana thus is most likely not the worth the
paper it has been printed on - I might add, just as the expensive
slow growth labs that Shoskes does on CP/CPPS patients at a Tenet
Health hospital today or right next to one is likely not worth much
more than that either.

Returning briefly to the news story at hand, Tenet Health is taking the
stance of defending its heroic staff for working to save lives in 115
degree heat.  Seems that Tenet Health may not have found the funds for
some backup for what parts of the hospital would absolutely continue to
be in use until everyone was safely out of there, in terms of battery
operated cooling fans, or whatever.  I am getting in a little over my
head here.  The problem most likely was not, at the heart of the
matter, with staff, but as the news story at MSNBC says, with
physicians and administrators.  Turning any part of the investigation
to this hospital chain, or even allowing them to take part, is
paramount to turning the entire henhouse or part of it to the fox for
guard duty.

Nice that Tenet Health has frequently double billed patients for any
work done at all.  The bill was high enough at Baylor here in Houston,
for this pointless work, totally obsoleted by the most recent advances
in research on this condition, whatever grounds for there continuing to
be an infectious component to it, but who has heard of medical research
assigning primary etiology to what is coming out of the wash as no
better than components?  More, or a concise summary of this question
than I benightedly posted before on that topic, in my next post.

For the bill at Baylor to have gone double for me there may have had me
applying to be euthanized myself, especially if that were to continue
for the long term, as in 90 percent of cases, such combination of
diagnosis and treatment simply does not work.

No, I did not seriously consider making the heading for this post,
'Hurricane Katrina and Dr Shoskes.'  It is not even tempting to do so.
Shoskes has supplemented the work he is now doing in Ft Lauderdale
before with good research, and to the best of everyone's knowledge
here, he is not putting is patients to sleep, as much as he may be
unwittingly or not putting a certain amount of medical research to
sleep by taking the shortcut that medicine has been doing for this
ailment or series of a good five or six this past half of a generation
or so.  The real research, that will take loads of money and years to
bring up conclusive results, as to a potential real cure, comprehensive
therapies for at least one or two conditions out of however many,
perhaps or for real, gets shortchanged.

Read for yourself what follows below, and for further entertaining
reading there today, the news of the New York Times attacking its own
staff, for finally blowing the whistle - Judy Miller in the
Libby/Rove/Plame scandal.   And we all thought that this entire scandal
was about the First Amendment rights of two journalists including
Miller as Nightline, on the televised media affiliate of the New York
Times would have had us believe the other night.  Koppel could not have
announced his upcoming retirement soon enough. Call it further making a
martyr out of who they were before defining, then supposedly defending
as one.  If Miller is so corrupt as they say now, they sure went out of
their way before to defend her as being something else entirely.
Since, for the purposes of this newsgroup, that is a little too much of
a sidebar, I close right here.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9699709/
Daniel Shoskes - 22 Oct 2005 14:24 GMT
I have not worked in Florida for almost a year, but of course the
original poster knew this from an exchange he had in this forum with
other patients in December. Guess he seems to know more about Mahler
(my favorite composer).

Daniel Shoskes MD
Cleveland Clinic Foundation
www.dshoskes.com
davemaschine - 22 Oct 2005 15:06 GMT
No, I did not know this, but am delighted to hear the good news.  Glad
somehow that things did not work out in Ft Lauderdale, but sorry for
the inconvenience,  nd I am at least somewhat aware that parts of
Cleveland Clinic, at least elsewhere, in other towns, are not with
Tenet Health.  At times, I have been too busy to keep up with responses
to posts, even a few that I have made, here.

Ridiculously off-topic, but as for Mahler, I have heard two live
broadcasts this past month or so that are of the kind to really rivet
the attention of any jaded cd buyer or concertgoer.

Symphony No. 2   Vienna PO - Otto Klemperer     Music & Arts (similar
to the EMI, but this is a live occasion on which Otto was getting the
Vienna PO to play with such force and vitality and at a very difficult
time, even in 1963,  unless if you were Bruno Walter, 1876-1962, to
pull any Mahler out of them).   A bit hard at first to know what
language Vishnevskaya is singing in for the soprano part, but she is
passionate and arguably less mannered than Schwarzkopf on EMI.

Symphony No. 3  Chicago SO - Jean Martinon, with Regina Resnik as
soloist. (1966 - CSO Retro) Both very special, and Resnik drawing on
her experience singing Klytaemnestras around the world for the
Nietzsche movement, at the time she did this broadcast.  Martinon gets
the Chicago SO strings to really beautifully shape the closing Adagio,
and with both true and complete shape to the line - very unusual as
well.  Even the Solti, not to mention a green Levine on RCA, is put in
the shade by this.

As for music and the arts, to all urologists - brush up  your (Georg)
Buchner - the original German of his lines returned to the libretto in
at least the Metzmacher copy (brilliantly conducted - Mahler 5 with him
this spring in L.A.) I have of the directly corresponding Alban Berg
opera somewhat heavily influenced by Mahler, with it a bit obvious on
the cover what kind of doctor Wozzeck (in the play, correctly spelled,
Woyzeck) is seeing.  Well other than a few docs  like Slawin at Baylor,
he has unusual psychiatry credentials or knowledge as well ...but hey!
Buchner was genius - burned both ends of the candle, and passed on at
age 23, but in addition to being the theatrical genius he was, was also
a medical genius, and was doing comparative anatomy and related
neurology studies (neurology a huge area for specialists in prostatitis
to tap into) before Darwin was. He also eventually got run off from
Hesse-Darmstadt where Giessen is and he studied, same university as the
one that hosts conferences, Justus-Liebig, that help add to the debate
here,  in the 1830's, for writing a proto-Marxist treatise.   Might
have things continued in urology and neurology at the pace Buchner had
them going at the time, I dare to surmise that Shoskes, Alexander,
Krieger, Scheaffer, Nickel, Dimitrakov, and so many other fine men from
Germany, S Korea, Japan, etc. would be having a considerably easier
time of it, including or especially with difficult patients, such as
myself.

Entirely back to prostatitis, I will address in a much more civil and
concise way in my next post on the never ending debate between bac and
nonbac etiologies for CP/CPPS.   Thank you all for your patience, and
especially if my memory of news passed on last December is at fault.
HubbaBubba - 23 Oct 2005 00:45 GMT
> I shudder to read that a story that began breaking a few days ago may

Euthanasia is a great idea, long overdue, you circumlocutionary windbag.
NickySantoro - 23 Oct 2005 18:43 GMT
>> I shudder to read that a story that began breaking a few days ago may
>
>Euthanasia is a great idea, long overdue, you circumlocutionary windbag.

Starting with you, hopefully.
HubbaBubba - 23 Oct 2005 23:59 GMT
>>> I shudder to read that a story that began breaking a few days ago
>>> may
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>
> Starting with you, hopefully.

Definitely. When I'm old and racked with disease and pain, I don't want
some religious zealot like you stopping me having a dignified death at a
time and place I choose.
 
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