Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostatitis / October 2005
Louisiana AG investigation of Tenet Health for euthanasia
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davemaschine - 22 Oct 2005 13:12 GMT I shudder to read that a story that began breaking a few days ago may indeed be true. I wonder also, after the troubles that Tenet Health has been having with the SEC, and allegations of fraud (including the fraudulent, heavy overbilling of patients), why the news media has to handle the creator, founder and author of this scandal or breaking scandal, Tenet Health, with kid gloves.
Tenet Health's prepared statement pledge of cooperation with the attorney general of Lousiana thus is most likely not the worth the paper it has been printed on - I might add, just as the expensive slow growth labs that Shoskes does on CP/CPPS patients at a Tenet Health hospital today or right next to one is likely not worth much more than that either.
Returning briefly to the news story at hand, Tenet Health is taking the stance of defending its heroic staff for working to save lives in 115 degree heat. Seems that Tenet Health may not have found the funds for some backup for what parts of the hospital would absolutely continue to be in use until everyone was safely out of there, in terms of battery operated cooling fans, or whatever. I am getting in a little over my head here. The problem most likely was not, at the heart of the matter, with staff, but as the news story at MSNBC says, with physicians and administrators. Turning any part of the investigation to this hospital chain, or even allowing them to take part, is paramount to turning the entire henhouse or part of it to the fox for guard duty.
Nice that Tenet Health has frequently double billed patients for any work done at all. The bill was high enough at Baylor here in Houston, for this pointless work, totally obsoleted by the most recent advances in research on this condition, whatever grounds for there continuing to be an infectious component to it, but who has heard of medical research assigning primary etiology to what is coming out of the wash as no better than components? More, or a concise summary of this question than I benightedly posted before on that topic, in my next post.
For the bill at Baylor to have gone double for me there may have had me applying to be euthanized myself, especially if that were to continue for the long term, as in 90 percent of cases, such combination of diagnosis and treatment simply does not work.
No, I did not seriously consider making the heading for this post, 'Hurricane Katrina and Dr Shoskes.' It is not even tempting to do so. Shoskes has supplemented the work he is now doing in Ft Lauderdale before with good research, and to the best of everyone's knowledge here, he is not putting is patients to sleep, as much as he may be unwittingly or not putting a certain amount of medical research to sleep by taking the shortcut that medicine has been doing for this ailment or series of a good five or six this past half of a generation or so. The real research, that will take loads of money and years to bring up conclusive results, as to a potential real cure, comprehensive therapies for at least one or two conditions out of however many, perhaps or for real, gets shortchanged.
Read for yourself what follows below, and for further entertaining reading there today, the news of the New York Times attacking its own staff, for finally blowing the whistle - Judy Miller in the Libby/Rove/Plame scandal. And we all thought that this entire scandal was about the First Amendment rights of two journalists including Miller as Nightline, on the televised media affiliate of the New York Times would have had us believe the other night. Koppel could not have announced his upcoming retirement soon enough. Call it further making a martyr out of who they were before defining, then supposedly defending as one. If Miller is so corrupt as they say now, they sure went out of their way before to defend her as being something else entirely. Since, for the purposes of this newsgroup, that is a little too much of a sidebar, I close right here.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9699709/
Daniel Shoskes - 22 Oct 2005 14:24 GMT I have not worked in Florida for almost a year, but of course the original poster knew this from an exchange he had in this forum with other patients in December. Guess he seems to know more about Mahler (my favorite composer).
Daniel Shoskes MD Cleveland Clinic Foundation www.dshoskes.com
davemaschine - 22 Oct 2005 15:06 GMT No, I did not know this, but am delighted to hear the good news. Glad somehow that things did not work out in Ft Lauderdale, but sorry for the inconvenience, nd I am at least somewhat aware that parts of Cleveland Clinic, at least elsewhere, in other towns, are not with Tenet Health. At times, I have been too busy to keep up with responses to posts, even a few that I have made, here.
Ridiculously off-topic, but as for Mahler, I have heard two live broadcasts this past month or so that are of the kind to really rivet the attention of any jaded cd buyer or concertgoer.
Symphony No. 2 Vienna PO - Otto Klemperer Music & Arts (similar to the EMI, but this is a live occasion on which Otto was getting the Vienna PO to play with such force and vitality and at a very difficult time, even in 1963, unless if you were Bruno Walter, 1876-1962, to pull any Mahler out of them). A bit hard at first to know what language Vishnevskaya is singing in for the soprano part, but she is passionate and arguably less mannered than Schwarzkopf on EMI.
Symphony No. 3 Chicago SO - Jean Martinon, with Regina Resnik as soloist. (1966 - CSO Retro) Both very special, and Resnik drawing on her experience singing Klytaemnestras around the world for the Nietzsche movement, at the time she did this broadcast. Martinon gets the Chicago SO strings to really beautifully shape the closing Adagio, and with both true and complete shape to the line - very unusual as well. Even the Solti, not to mention a green Levine on RCA, is put in the shade by this.
As for music and the arts, to all urologists - brush up your (Georg) Buchner - the original German of his lines returned to the libretto in at least the Metzmacher copy (brilliantly conducted - Mahler 5 with him this spring in L.A.) I have of the directly corresponding Alban Berg opera somewhat heavily influenced by Mahler, with it a bit obvious on the cover what kind of doctor Wozzeck (in the play, correctly spelled, Woyzeck) is seeing. Well other than a few docs like Slawin at Baylor, he has unusual psychiatry credentials or knowledge as well ...but hey! Buchner was genius - burned both ends of the candle, and passed on at age 23, but in addition to being the theatrical genius he was, was also a medical genius, and was doing comparative anatomy and related neurology studies (neurology a huge area for specialists in prostatitis to tap into) before Darwin was. He also eventually got run off from Hesse-Darmstadt where Giessen is and he studied, same university as the one that hosts conferences, Justus-Liebig, that help add to the debate here, in the 1830's, for writing a proto-Marxist treatise. Might have things continued in urology and neurology at the pace Buchner had them going at the time, I dare to surmise that Shoskes, Alexander, Krieger, Scheaffer, Nickel, Dimitrakov, and so many other fine men from Germany, S Korea, Japan, etc. would be having a considerably easier time of it, including or especially with difficult patients, such as myself.
Entirely back to prostatitis, I will address in a much more civil and concise way in my next post on the never ending debate between bac and nonbac etiologies for CP/CPPS. Thank you all for your patience, and especially if my memory of news passed on last December is at fault.
HubbaBubba - 23 Oct 2005 00:45 GMT > I shudder to read that a story that began breaking a few days ago may Euthanasia is a great idea, long overdue, you circumlocutionary windbag.
NickySantoro - 23 Oct 2005 18:43 GMT >> I shudder to read that a story that began breaking a few days ago may > >Euthanasia is a great idea, long overdue, you circumlocutionary windbag. Starting with you, hopefully.
HubbaBubba - 23 Oct 2005 23:59 GMT >>> I shudder to read that a story that began breaking a few days ago >>> may [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Starting with you, hopefully. Definitely. When I'm old and racked with disease and pain, I don't want some religious zealot like you stopping me having a dignified death at a time and place I choose.
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