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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostatitis / August 2005Is this prostatitis ... or something else? (25yrs old)
I'd like to describe the pain I've been having, and what I've gone through so far. Hopefully someone can help me out with these questions. Please bear with the length of this post, as I wanted to be as detailed as possible. CURRENT FEELING: Pain resides exclusively on the LEFT side on my body. I have good and bad days. There is a feeling of numbness and slight pressure at the base of my penis down to my left testicle. Walking around I mostly just feel a slight tension which leads to stomachaches. There is no pain whatsoever in ejaculating or urinating. When I masturbate, I can feel the pain increase from the motion. Definitely a 'pulled muscle' and numb type feeling here which again runs from the base of my penis down to the testicle. As another note, my semen volume is probably 1/2 of what it used to be or less. This was a recent development as it was mostly normal before. HISTORY: TIMEFRAME: Day 1 - feel a "pulled muscle" feeling in my upper-leg, left testicle Day 3 - visit hospital, they put me on doxycycline and decide that it is epididymitis. I stay on doxy for 10 days. Day 13 - pain is still there. I goto a urologist, who puts me on levaquin for 10 days because he feels it will be more effective. Day 20 - still feeling pain, so I go back. I receive a digital rectal exam. When he touches my prostate, I feel shooting pain in all directions. I am instructed to finish the Levaquin and diagnosed with prostatitis. Still feeling bad, the urologist puts me on cipro for 30 days ( 2x a day, 500mg). At the end of this cipro treatment, I will have been on the quinalone antiobiotics for about 11 weeks total. I have roughly one more week left of Cipro. I went to get a 2nd opinion. There I received a DRE again, but this time there was almost no pain when he pressed on the prostate. Just a need to urinate. OTHER NOTES: - I had no sexual relations for a good 3-4 months before the first symptom occurred. Urologist believed that this ruled out an STD... is this for sure? - I have not yet received an ultrasound or CAT scan... should I ? What would these show? - I was thoroughly checked for hernias by a general surgeon. He could find none, but said that a very small one could exist that would be undetectable. - the 2nd urologist felt that cancer was ruled out from his exam of my testicle (though no ultrasound to back it up) Major questions: - Does this sound like prostatitis to you guys? Do you feel the pain on only one side of your body? - Should I go for an ultrasound or CAT scan? Please help! > Please help! See http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/ There's no way in hell I'm paying $20 to join a support forum. I'll start my own site first. > There's no way in hell I'm paying $20 to join a support forum. I'll > start my own site first. LOL! You want it all for free. I wish everything was free in this life, don't you? > There's no way in hell I'm paying $20 to join a support forum. I'll > start my own site first. Shongololo will bad mouth it, but try www.prostatitis.org . Lot of educational material there. And it doesn't cost anything. > Shongololo will bad mouth it, but try www.prostatitis.org . Lot of > educational material there. And it doesn't cost anything. Prostatitis.org... hmmm... let's see now... Let's take a look at a few of the clinics from the recomended clinics page! Antonio E. Feliciano, Jr. M.D. -- Anybody who has done any research on this guy knows he is the biggest quack around. Just check out the google archives of this group's discussions. Prostatitis.org should be embarrassed that his link is still on their site. The Prostatitis Center in Tucson Arizona -- This is the American version of Dr. Feliciano where the head doctor is not even a urologist. By their own admission, they met "challanges" in treating American patients and few if any have been heard of in this group. Dr. Ronny Wheeler -- No success stories and no peer-reviewed publications. Hawks a product called PEENUTS which contains ingreediants you can find at any health food store and as been shown to be a complete rip-off. Also claimed that prostatitis leads to prostate cancer -- a claim for which there exists no scientific evidence. Dr. Pavels Ivdra -- This guys is a complete unknown in the tiny nation of Latvia. He is king of the wobenyme therapy to treat "chlamydial prostatitis with streptase". There known trusted studies on this or success stories. Good going NC! The botton line is that the choice amounts to paying a tiny $20 fee to join www.chronicprostatis.com/forum to get advice, support, and the latest medical news from people who have the condition, or go to prostatitis.org for free and get quackery advice and possibly end up paying thousands of dollars to crooks. Does not seem like a hard decission for me. > exists no scientific evidence. > > Dr. Pavels Ivdra -- This guys is a complete unknown in the tiny nation of > Latvia. He is king of the wobenyme therapy to treat "chlamydial > prostatitis with streptase". There known trusted studies on this or > success stories. There *are no* known trusted studies... > > Shongololo will bad mouth it, but try www.prostatitis.org . Lot of > > educational material there. And it doesn't cost anything. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > for free and get quackery advice and possibly end up paying thousands of > dollars to crooks. Does not seem like a hard decission for me. People who are looking for someone to tell them what to do without doing any research, should not go to Prostatitis.org. It requires you to think about your problem, do a little research, and decide for yourself, what course you want to follow. The site doesn't "reccommend" anything, any doctor, or any clinic, and it does not tell you what you should do. Then there are those that prefer to go to a site where non-professional self appointed experts will tell you what you should and shouldn't do. A good place to start is to buy the book "The Prostatitis Manual" by J. Curtis Nickel M.D." Dr. Nickel is widely respected. His book is available at prostatitis.org and eslewhere. > People who are looking for someone to tell them what to do without > doing any research, should not go to Prostatitis.org. That would be most people then. > It requires you to think about your problem, do a little research, > and decide for yourself, what course you want to follow. So does http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum > The site doesn't "reccommend" anything, any doctor, or any clinic, > and it does not tell you what you should do. Prostatitis.org /does/ recommend things by giving inordinate space to some ideas and by linking to specific sites only. > Then there are those that prefer to go to a site where > non-professional self appointed experts will tell you what you should > and shouldn't do. Non-professional? Who are the "professional" people at Prostatitis.org? ROTFL! More about prostatitis.org: http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=864 > A good place to start is to buy the book "The Prostatitis Manual" by > J. Curtis Nickel M.D." Dr. Nickel is widely respected. His book is > available at prostatitis.org and eslewhere. It's also out-of-date. > People who are looking for someone to tell them what to do without doing > any [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that prefer to go to a site where non-professional self appointed experts > will tell you what you should and shouldn't do. Doctors have ignored this condition for so long, letting the men who suffer from it live in misery. The people who suffer from it are the experts because no one else cares. What the hell should guys in the forum do? Tell you to see a doctor who probably knows less than you do? > A good place to start is to buy the book "The Prostatitis Manual" by J. > Curtis Nickel M.D." Dr. Nickel is widely respected. His book is available > at > prostatitis.org and eslewhere. Some are starting to question Nickel and his studies. A few years ago, he published an accupuncture treatment protocol that went nowhere. I also know people who have seen him and have said that he is very arrogent, did not help at all, and did not seem interested in helping/ I too have pain exclusively on the left side...wondering why it wouldn't be more centralized Steve: I'm really starting to wonder if it's simply due to an infected or blocked seminal vescicle.... Seems like that would make more sense than the prostate from an anatomy point of view. Who knows though.... every doc I've been to has been clueless. Examples: "So is this prostatitis?" ... "Maybe..could be a combination of things" I was originally diagnosed with epididymitis.... could have just progressed up to everything in that region. For anyone else also: Do you feel leg cramps / pain down your legs? Also, lately my ankles have been feeling really tight.... I have a feeling that 30-day run of Cipro might have affected me. > Steve: > I'm really starting to wonder if it's simply due to an infected or > blocked seminal vescicle.... yes! .... a fertility clinic had a diagnostic, mucus strands longer than 1/2 inch after a short period of time, indicate a reproductive tract infection. An infection in another part of the reproductive tract could cause inflamation of the prostate. > Seems like that would make more sense than the prostate from an anatomy > point of view. > Who knows though.... every doc I've been to has been clueless. > Examples: > "So is this prostatitis?" ... "Maybe..could be a combination of > things" More than likely true. > I was originally diagnosed with epididymitis.... could have just > progressed up to everything in that region. Probably did, but the what does that mean as far as how to get over it? > For anyone else also: > Do you feel leg cramps / pain down your legs? Also, lately my ankles > have been feeling really tight.... I have a feeling that 30-day run of > Cipro might have affected me. Probably not the Cipro. Three a day for 60 days did nothing to or for me. In my case I believe I know what is/was going on. It was very complex at first, now only one component appears to remain, but I will not be sure until no symptoms remain. 2% of Hell is still bad. jrh > People who are looking for someone to tell them what to do without doing > any [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that prefer to go to a site where non-professional self appointed experts > will tell you what you should and shouldn't do. Doctors have ignored this condition for so long, letting the men who suffer from it live in misery. The people who suffer from it are the experts because no one else cares. What the hell should guys in the forum do? Tell you to see a doctor who probably knows less than you do? > A good place to start is to buy the book "The Prostatitis Manual" by J. > Curtis Nickel M.D." Dr. Nickel is widely respected. His book is available > at > prostatitis.org and eslewhere. Some are starting to question Nickel and his studies. A few years ago, he published an accupuncture treatment protocol that went nowhere. I also know people who have seen him and have said that he is very arrogent, did not help at all, and did not seem interested in helping/ > People who are looking for someone to tell them what to do without doing > any [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that prefer to go to a site where non-professional self appointed experts > will tell you what you should and shouldn't do. Doctors have ignored this condition for so long, letting the men who suffer from it live in misery. The people who suffer from it are the experts because no one else cares. What the hell should guys in the forum do? Tell you to see a doctor who probably knows less than you do? > A good place to start is to buy the book "The Prostatitis Manual" by J. > Curtis Nickel M.D." Dr. Nickel is widely respected. His book is available > at > prostatitis.org and eslewhere. Some are starting to question Nickel and his studies. A few years ago, he published an accupuncture treatment protocol that went nowhere. I also know people who have seen him and have said that he is very arrogent, did not help at all, and did not seem interested in helping/ > People who are looking for someone to tell them what to do without doing > any [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that prefer to go to a site where non-professional self appointed experts > will tell you what you should and shouldn't do. Doctors have ignored this condition for so long, letting the men who suffer from it live in misery. The people who suffer from it are the experts because no one else cares. What the hell should guys in the forum do? Tell you to see a doctor who probably knows less than you do? > A good place to start is to buy the book "The Prostatitis Manual" by J. > Curtis Nickel M.D." Dr. Nickel is widely respected. His book is available > at > prostatitis.org and eslewhere. Some are starting to question Nickel and his studies. A few years ago, he published an accupuncture treatment protocol that went nowhere. I also know people who have seen him and have said that he is very arrogent, did not help at all, and did not seem interested in helping/ >> There's no way in hell I'm paying $20 to join a support forum. I'll >> start my own site first. > > Shongololo will bad mouth it, but try www.prostatitis.org . Lot of > educational material there. And it doesn't cost anything. I had a look at that recently. Are you positive it is above board? >There's no way in hell I'm paying $20 to join a support forum. I'll >start my own site first. Does seem excessive. I lease an entire server and a site like that would only cost approx $150 a year to run. >> There's no way in hell I'm paying $20 to join a support forum. I'll >> start my own site first. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I lease an entire server and a site like that would only cost approx > $150 a year to run. Don't talk rubbish. I also run a web forum, so I know your comment is ridiculous. What about the hundreds of hours monitoring the site, answering questions, monitoring Prostatitis-related news, installing forum software updates several times a year, taking weekly backups, buying website-related software (which runs to thousands of dollars - PhotoShop + Dreamweaver +etc), fighting off attacks by trolls (deletions and bannings and recoveries after successful hacking attacks), and more? These activities can take a /huge/ amount of time annually. If you think someone should give up their job and do all this for free, then you are more than welcome to start your own pelvic-pain-related web forum. Strangely, nobody has done so yet. Maybe the basic hosting fee is not the issue therefore, as I suggest? >>> There's no way in hell I'm paying $20 to join a support forum. I'll >>> start my own site first. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Strangely, nobody has done so yet. Maybe the basic hosting fee is not >the issue therefore, as I suggest? The server company I use does all the nightly backups and takes care of security (servint.com) thousands of dollars? You can get Dreamweaver for a couple hundred dollars, and photoshop is the same....Paintshop Pro is even cheaper. So the software and hardware are fairly cheap. If whoever is running the forum is charging for researching news and posting it....well I guess that's a different story. > The server company I use does all the nightly backups and takes care > of security (servint.com) Only a fool relies on his host to do backups. I've had so many hosts suddenly fold under me that I've learned not to rely on them for /anything/ and especially not to protect my precious data. And server companies do not upgrade anyone's tailored (modded) forum software, in my experience. > thousands of dollars? You can get Dreamweaver for a couple hundred > dollars, and photoshop is the same....Paintshop Pro is even cheaper. Macromedia Studio 8 (includes Dreamweaver and Flash) $999 http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/ Adobe Creative Suite $1,999 http://store.adobe.com/store/products/master.jhtml?id=catCreativeSuite Paintshop pro is not an industrial strength product. I used it for a few months but I consider it very inferior to PhotoShop + Ilustrator. > So the software and hardware are fairly cheap. It's only cheap in your amateur world. What site do you run? > If whoever is running the forum is charging for researching news and > posting it....well I guess that's a different story. In your opinion they should do it for free? What do you do for free? >> The server company I use does all the nightly backups and takes care >> of security (servint.com) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Adobe Creative Suite $1,999 >http://store.adobe.com/store/products/master.jhtml?id=catCreativeSuite Haha....what do you need all that shite for for designing web pages? Adobe® Creative Suite 2 Premium software is a unified design environment that combines full new versions of Adobe Photoshop® CS2, Illustrator® CS2, InDesign® CS2, GoLive® CS2, and Acrobat® 7.0 Professional software with new Version Cue® CS2, Adobe Bridge, and Adobe Stock Photos. All you need is photoshop at most...... Why would a site dealing with Prostatis need. Illustrator InDesign GoLive (if you already have dreamweaver) Stock Photos Flash Fireworks I've seen the site....it doesn't need any of that stuff. Show me where on the site it needs anything more than Dreamweaver and a Photoshop clone. If whoever is running that site needs the the full Macromedia Suite AND the full Adobe suite then they are fleecing everyone who has joined the forum. I work as a full time web designer and even I don't have all those products. > Haha....what do you need all that shite for for designing web pages? Of course I do, and so do they. You don't? PLEASE let us see the websites you claim that you design! > All you need is photoshop at most...... Amateur. > Show me where on the site it needs anything more than Dreamweaver and > a Photoshop clone. I had a look at the site: I see it uses Flash, PDF Acrobat (another product I did not even mention before; just look at the Flowcharts page), some diagrams use vector graphics (Illustrator, I'd say), and Visio for the flowcharts too. I guess you'll have to add Acrobat Professional and Visio to the list of products needed! That's another $1000 or so. Your websites no doubt do not need all this, but that's because you are an AMATEUR. > If whoever is running that site needs the the full Macromedia Suite > AND the full Adobe suite then they are fleecing everyone who has > joined the forum. At $20 a pop I doubt the joining fees cover even a small part of the software costs alone, to say nothing of the cost of frequent daily monitoring of the forum. How do they find the time? > I work as a full time web designer and even I don't have all those > products. LOL! Show us even one site. This I'd love to see. >> Haha....what do you need all that shite for for designing web pages? > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >LOL! Show us even one site. This I'd love to see. admit it....you are running that site and making a tidy profit from it. Running a single website doesn't cost thousands in software licenses. A real non-profit site would use all open-source tools that wouln't cost a dime (exept for bandwidth fees and domain name registration). > admit it....you are running that site and making a tidy profit from > it. I wish. > Running a single website doesn't cost thousands in software licenses. > A real non-profit site would use all open-source tools that wouln't > cost a dime (exept for bandwidth fees and domain name registration). Amateur. You're as much a website designer as I'm an astronaut. Lol. >> admit it....you are running that site and making a tidy profit from >> it. > >I wish. You seem to very defensive about the site...and promote it alot. You must be making some coin off of it. >> Running a single website doesn't cost thousands in software licenses. >> A real non-profit site would use all open-source tools that wouln't >> cost a dime (exept for bandwidth fees and domain name registration). > >Amateur. You're as much a website designer as I'm an astronaut. Lol. possibly, but I've been doing it for 8 years. In any case it doesn't matter if I'm any good or not. That's not the issue. >> Amateur. You're as much a website designer as I'm an astronaut. >> Lol. > > possibly, but I've been doing it for 8 years. Bullshit. > In any case it doesn't matter if I'm any good or not. That's not the > issue. It's the whole issue. You want to drag everyone down to your pathetic level, and when you see people who are professional about their work, you stamp your little feet and have a tantrum. You provide no websites that you have "designed" so you are just a liar and a wannabe. Piss off. >>> Amateur. You're as much a website designer as I'm an astronaut. >>> Lol. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >You provide no websites that you have "designed" so you are just a liar >and a wannabe. Piss off. haha, you're so amusing, no, the issue is why it costs thousands of dollars to run a small website with a small forum. I'm saying that it can be done cheaply with open source tools. (hell phpbb is free and that's what's being used) You on the other hand, think it takes 20 professional (re: expensive) tools just for one site. Which is huge overkill in my opinion. > no, the issue is why it costs thousands of dollars to run a small > website with a small forum. I've already shown you that a basic set of software to run a site (of any size) properly will run you between $2000-$5000. You countered by saying that you can do it with Paintshop Pro, which shows you are just an amateur who knows nothing about designing and building websites. You claim to be a website designer, but you cannot show us any websites you have built, so we must conclude you are a liar as well as someone who knows nothing about this subject. > I'm saying that it can be done cheaply with open source tools. (hell > phpbb is free and that's what's being used) Now you go further and claim you can run a site with open source tools, which is more nonsense. Of course the phpbb software is free, but the numerous annual updates demand a lot of time from a webmaster. How can this be free? > You on the other hand, think it takes 20 professional (re: expensive) > tools just for one site. Which is huge overkill in my opinion. Now you exaggerate and say I said "20 tools", which further weakens your argument and shows you are grasping at straws. In your (amateur) opinion, using the best and most popular software to develop and maintain a website is "overkill". Luckily for Adobe, Macromedia and Microsoft, not many professional website developers agree with you. When you get amateurs running websites, you end up with the sort of junk you see at http://www.prostatitis.org . Have a look at that site at a high resolution, over 1440x900 (most new laptops run this resolution and higher), and notice the broken design. Navigate around the site a bit. Notice the broke links, the pathetic graphics, the inconsistent design, i.e. the amateur feel? Here is a site built on the cheap, by someone like "Johnny". The result is a sickening melange of shoddiness. Apart from software costs, when I look at the forum at http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/ I see more than enough information to justify the $20 joining fee. The place seems to be free of the trolls and miscreants that inhabit this newsgroup- what a boon! You get what you pay for. I doubt men will have a problem paying $20 when a visit to a doctor costs so much more and antibiotics are terribly expensive too. The $20 fee presumably allows men to ask complex health questions of the experienced webmaster and moderators, and actually get answers! Goddamn, what a bargain! >> no, the issue is why it costs thousands of dollars to run a small >> website with a small forum. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >have built, so we must conclude you are a liar as well as someone who >knows nothing about this subject. Anything on that site that was done with Photoshp can be done with Paintshp pro or even the free Gimp. Don't take my opinion, ask someone else. >> I'm saying that it can be done cheaply with open source tools. (hell >> phpbb is free and that's what's being used) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >numerous annual updates demand a lot of time from a webmaster. How can >this be free? Oh BIIIIGGGG deal.....Download patch, backup mySql database, upload files..... Can be done in 5 minutes. >> You on the other hand, think it takes 20 professional (re: expensive) >> tools just for one site. Which is huge overkill in my opinion. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >i.e. the amateur feel? Here is a site built on the cheap, by someone >like "Johnny". The result is a sickening melange of shoddiness. Maybe that guy who developed that site used $10,000 worth of tools to make a shitty site. The Tools don't make the site, the developer does. The best site in the world can be coded in Notepad (for any non graphics) >Apart from software costs, when I look at the forum at >http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/ I see more than enough [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >questions of the experienced webmaster and moderators, and actually get >answers! Goddamn, what a bargain! Another $20 in your pocket eh? > Anything on that site that was done with Photoshp can be done with > Paintshp pro or even the free Gimp. Don't take my opinion, ask > someone else. You keep harping on about cheap graphics software, which entirely misses the point. Photoshop is an industry standard, and all professional web design companies use it. It is /the/ program that professionals use, that they are trained to use, and that they choose if given a choice. OTOH, home hobbyists like you use PSP. > Oh BIIIIGGGG deal.....Download patch, backup mySql database, upload > files..... Can be done in 5 minutes. There speaks a fool who has never run a modded forum! > The Tools don't make the site, the developer does. > The best site in the world can be coded in Notepad (for any non > graphics) That's another ignorant statement. The lack of template control using notepad makes running a large site quite impossible, to name just one key shortcoming. With each new statement you show yourself to be a rank beginner. > Another $20 in your pocket eh? Mistaken identity. >> no, the issue is why it costs thousands of dollars to run a small >> website with a small forum. >I've already shown you that a basic set of software to run a site (of >any size) properly will run you between $2000-$5000. You countered by >saying that you can do it with Paintshop Pro, which shows you are just >an amateur who knows nothing about designing and building websites. The designing and building websites has nothing to do with the subject of SCIence.MEDical.PROSTATE.PROSTATITIS This thread has one apparant purpose which is to disrupt this group, so I politely request any who feel a need to continue the "argument" to post in alt.idiotic.bickering. jrh > The designing and building websites has nothing to do with the > subject of SCIence.MEDical.PROSTATE.PROSTATITIS Since the discussion is about the prostatitis forum at http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/ , it's completely on topic. Shongololo said >> The designing and building websites has nothing to do with the >> subject of SCIence.MEDical.PROSTATE.PROSTATITIS > > Since the discussion is about the prostatitis forum at > http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/ , it's completely on > topic. Nice spin. False but very impressive. Since no one else cares about it except you two... take it to email. > Since no one else cares about it except you two... take it to email. There seem to be several people eager to get this group back to its usual thunderous silence! Lol. > Shongololo said > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Since no one else cares about it except you two... take it to email. Someone made an accusation that the guy who runs a CP/CPPS forun was doing so for a profit. This was said in an effort to ruin the reputation of the forum's administrator. Since men are coming here to seek advice as to where they can get help, they have a right to know if this more specialized forum is legitimate. 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