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ProstatitisEDO - 14 May 2005 04:43 GMT Dear Mates, Are there any actual patients here who have seen Federico Guercini M.D. in Rome? I have prostatitis, extensive calification of the prostate, and a blockage of one ejaculatory duct caused by all the swelling, which surgery has not fixed. I really need some hope that my infection can be cured and that something can cure the prostatitis and ejaculatory duct obstruction and stop all the pain. You can email me or post here. Please no negative posts or spam. fair dinkum, RobertGyngell@yahoo.com.au
Pete - 14 May 2005 23:57 GMT Robert...I don't know where you live, and if you are looking to see Dr. Guercini in Rome as a second opinion, or what. I live in Maryland, USA, (and do not have the exact same condition you do), but I just wanted to let you know you are not alone in your suffering, and I totally sympathize with you, and my heart goes out to you. I too need some hope and it is hard for me to go on - especially living by myself - I don't have any ones shoulder to cry on - LOL. I have been suffering for months with prostatitis which has been exacerbated and made much worse by the TURP I had five weeks ago, and instead of getting better I get worse (i.e. it is not healing properly or improving).
Have been back to uro who did TURP three times and he says wait. Went to another city for second opinion and he says wait (didn't even examine me). Been to my doctor (mostly for pain control discussion -I can't take opiates or amitriptyline since they constipate me). He would not give me a blast dose of prednisone (nasty anti-inflammatory drug which lowers your immune system and has hordes of bad side effects) since it was not in his training to prescribe it for prostate related problems, and said he doesn't do prostates (isn't it wonderful). I have taken prednisone several times in my life for sarcoidosis, and post operative inflammation stuff, and respiratory related problems, and really shouldn't take it now since I have a serious T4 cell deficiency ( non- HIV, cause unknown). But I am desperate and it may help the massive inflammation that I know exists in my prostate and urethra/bladder and whole pelvic floor, including the rectum. I have been on four different antis almost non stop for months (mostly on my own doing as a prophylactic). I do not believe it is infectious since previous urine samples and prostate secretions did not indicate so. But the son of a bitch is eating me alive, and the TURP has ruined me. The pain and discomfort is indescribable, 24 hours non-stop.
Have been to my general surgeon, who gave me a digital, but wouldn't agree to an exam under anesthesia [i.e., the specula (shoehorn) exam - I can't handle the prep for a colonoscopy right now - which my gastro wants to do]. I asked the surgeon how does he know I don't have proctitis or a massive yeast infection and he said if I had proctitis I should be bleeding and he has never seen yeast in the rectum (I have a lot of itching in the rectum also). He suggested trying neurontin (an anti seizure GABA type drug that is also used for various pain syndromes (but mainly shingles). I am giving it a try but it could take a week or more to help (if it helps - which I doubt it will). NSAIDS do not help and I can't take a lot of them because I also have stomach problems and take PPI's. There is a drug called cytotec to take with NSAIDS but I am taking enough pills already and do not want to take it since the NSAIDS don't help anyway even at higher doses.
I have a lot of pain and burning from my urethra to my bladder and in my prostate, and pain and pressure in my rectum, and it feels like I have pee (real bad) all the time (even right after I go - what a horrible feeling), non stop 24 hours a day (can't sleep or eat or function). If I wasn't retired I would not be able to go to work. I retired early from the DOD when president Clinton downsized the department of defense if you may recall. Sorry I'm rattling on, just need to talk to someone.
This group used to be pretty good back in 1997 when there were several doctors involved and a lot of suffering prostatitis persons just like you and me. The participants seem to have dropped drastically (based on the numbers and frequency of the posts), and we appear to have lost the doctors. There is also the prostate.bph group which seems to have more participants. IMO prostatitis and bph go hand in hand (but you can certainly have one without the other). But when you have both, forget asking the uro which one he thinks is causing the bigger problem.
I'm sorry I got so carried away telling you about my problems Robert (just wanted to let you know you are not alone and maybe try to offer some moral support). I will ask a couple questions about your condition now (please write me back -and don't forget to tell me where you live). How did they find out about the blockage of the one ejaculatory duct and what type of surgery did they do to try to correct it. I was told mild calcification is okay and normal as you get older, but you said you have extensive. How would they correct that. I am told that there is not a urologist on the planet that will remove a prostate unless it is cancerous, so I am curious how they would correct extensive calcification. You also mention you have an infection - how did they identify it and what kind of antis are you taking.
I have been in severe pain three times in my life, which I consider equivalent to child birth (which I can only assume) and kidney stones (which I have witnessed). Anything much worse than that, I believe you would pass out. There are all kinds of pain (e.g., sharp and dull back pain, tooth ache, debilitating nausea, severe malaise, various cancer pain, etc.). But I believe the non stop pain and discomfort I have right now and have had for five weeks since my TURP, and the similar pain before the TURP, is enough to make a grown man cry. I do not cry, but it is difficult to deal with day after day, with basically no help from the medical world. I believe this is just as bad or worse than having cancer, since cancer patients usually don't suffer real bad till near the end (of course it depends on the type of cancer you have - I am somewhat medically literate). But I think you get my point. I would like to see one of my doctors deal with this, and see what they would do (that is not to say I am wishing it on anyone).
Robert, if you were able to get through this long post, please write me back (just take the "nospam." out of my address if you want to write me directly). I will also send this directly to your e-mail address. I am 57 years old, have been married twice, and am a retired naval architect who used to design ships for the navy, and I live by myself with my two cats. I wish you the very best, and hang in there, just as I am trying to do.
Pete
> Dear Mates, > Are there any actual patients here who have seen Federico Guercini M.D. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > fair dinkum, > RobertGyngell@yahoo.com.au Coilman - 15 May 2005 22:34 GMT > Robert...I don't know where you live, and if you are looking to see Dr. > Guercini in Rome as a second opinion, or what. I live in Maryland, USA, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > had five weeks ago, and instead of getting better I get worse (i.e. it is > not healing properly or improving). Months? Been about 20 years here and I consider myself as new to it all. You just get on with it. That's how you cope.
Oh and I had decided a long time ago never to have a prostate operation. I am decidedly untrusting of surgeons. They seem to think the knife cures all. So, no matter what, no cutting.
> Have been back to uro who did TURP three times and he says wait. Went to > another city for second opinion and he says wait (didn't even examine me). > Been to my doctor (mostly for pain control discussion -I can't take > opiates or amitriptyline since they constipate me). He would not give me > a blast I take Saw Palmetto only.
> dose of prednisone (nasty anti-inflammatory drug which lowers your immune > system and has hordes of bad side effects) since it was not in his > training Yep. Causes bone density loss.
> to prescribe it for prostate related problems, and said he doesn't do > prostates (isn't it wonderful). I have taken prednisone several times in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > my prostate and urethra/bladder and whole pelvic floor, including the > rectum. I have been A lot of us suffer the same. I cant always walk a straight line without bowing to someone with the pain. It doesnt happen that way every day but when it's on, it certainly is on. Doing a crap is a nightmare as a result. Interestingly, strong coffee makes the crap much easier to do.
> on four different antis almost non stop for months (mostly on my own doing > as a prophylactic). I do not believe it is infectious since previous > urine samples and prostate secretions did not indicate so. But the son of > a bitch is eating me alive, and the TURP has ruined me. The pain and > discomfort is indescribable, 24 hours non-stop. I feel you are concentrating on the problem too much. I take the view that it's there and that there is nothing that can honestly be done to cure it so I take Saw Palmetto and otherwise forget about it when I can. Sure I feel overwhelmingly tired all the time and sure the pain is bad at times but you know, I know a lady who is dying of cancer and it is now in the bones. She is rotting from the inside out. She chose never to have chemo to fight it and wanted to die with as much dignity as she could. So when the pain got too bad and they put her in hospital and on morpheine (where her neck was ruled broken because it, too, is rotting due to cancer) and the poor thing was not really all that aware of her surroundings, her grieving family forced chemo on her. She, now, will die in about 3 months with no dignity as opposed to days from now with a lot more dignity.
I relate all that to prove there are worse ways to die. If you have no-one to think of in order to leave money to and so on, you can basically do what you want but if you have someone who needs the money after you are gone, you just have to grin and curse.
> I have a lot of pain and burning from my urethra to my bladder and in my > prostate, and pain and pressure in my rectum, and it feels like I have pee [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > when president Clinton downsized the department of defense if you may > recall. Sorry I'm rattling on, just need to talk to someone. So imagine me - I have to work and have all that, too. Stop worrying so much about it!
Pete - 16 May 2005 05:08 GMT Coilman...you are not a very sympathetic person and I don't think you know what the hell you are talking about. I usually don't write like this, or get involved with spam, but you ticked me off. I try to offer encouragement to others in the group and not play mister tough guy. I participated a lot in the group back in 1997, but the group has changed a lot, like I said. First of all I was trying to sympathize with the person I wrote to and offer him some encouragement since he said he needed some hope, and I spent a lot of time writing my post to him. You come off with this crap that you have had prostatitis pain for 20 years, and you bear with it, and go to work...da da da da. Let me tell you if you had the non stop pain I am talking about (not every now and then), you would not be going to work and would probably be considering suicide. I too have had prostatitis on and off for some years (as well as other serious pain syndromes), but not as bad as this one. I told you this recent episode was exacerbated by the TURP (which I agreed to because I was having trouble peeing).
And as far as your statement that you refuse to be cut by a surgeon, that is totally ludicrous. If you stop peeing for whatever reason, you either have surgery and/or a catheter to correct it or you will die from infection,when it backs up into your kidneys. You shouldn't make statements that you don't really mean. The caveman didn't have a surgeon to go to so he just died. This is 2005. I have been to over seventy five doctors in my life and I do not like them, and I agree surgery is a very risky thing with no guarantees, so I know where you're coming from, but try to be a little more sympathetic, and understand that sometimes you either have surgery or die, or suffer from such unbelievable pain that you wish you were dead. And sometimes, unfortunately, the surgery makes you worse.
Please don't write back again blasting me. I do not play the silly back and forth notes that some people like to do in the group (unless they are constructive in nature). I hope your prostatitis, or maybe bph, or maybe both, never get bad enough so you stop urinating, because then you will need surgery and/or a catheter. Good luck.
Pete
>> Robert...I don't know where you live, and if you are looking to see Dr. >> Guercini in Rome as a second opinion, or what. I live in Maryland, USA, [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > So imagine me - I have to work and have all that, too. Stop worrying so > much about it! mo - 16 May 2005 01:03 GMT pete, i am going to tell you a secret because i read your post and felt sorry for you, take your a.s to the nearest drug store and get you some maalox plus. make sure it has at least 40 mg of simenthicone in it.take 2 table spoons as soon as you get it. then take 1 table spoon when you finish each meal. i wil guarantee you will feel much better tomorrow.
> Robert...I don't know where you live, and if you are looking to see Dr. > Guercini in Rome as a second opinion, or what. I live in Maryland, USA, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > system and has hordes of bad side effects) since it was not in his training > to prescribe it for prostate related problems, and said he doesn't do
> prostates (isn't it wonderful). I have taken prednisone several times in my > life for sarcoidosis, and post operative inflammation stuff, and respiratory [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > retired I would not be able to go to work. I retired early from the DOD > when president Clinton downsized the department of defense if you may
> recall. Sorry I'm rattling on, just need to talk to someone. > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > fair dinkum, > > RobertGyngell@yahoo.com.au BO L. - 16 May 2005 02:20 GMT > This group used to be pretty good back in 1997 when there were several > doctors involved and a lot of suffering prostatitis persons just like you > and me. The participants seem to have dropped drastically (based on the > numbers and frequency of the posts), and we appear to have lost the > doctors. There is also the prostate.bph group which seems to have more > participants. IMO prostatitis and bph go hand in hand I have not heard of any studies showing this. For serious discussions of prostatitis, go to www.chronicpelvicpain.us
Pete - 16 May 2005 05:39 GMT Bol...I didn't mean it literally (i.e., that there was a definite connection or that one leads to the other). Sorry for the misnomer. I just meant that if you have both (which many people do), it is difficult for a uro to say which one is more likely to be causing blockage and pain (for instance). Prostatitis is the big pain guy as far as I am concerned, whereas bph causes poor flow and retention (but so can prostatitis). One of the many kinds of pain I get with prostatitis is unbearable and hard to describe. It is kind of like peeing or ejaculating and then stopping all of a sudden midway. That is not it exactly it, but imagine how horrible that would feel. It is a very gnawing, eating, kind of burning pain (but not true burning like peeing razor blades of just real bad burning when you pee). It is hard to describe but it will eat you alive and it is non stop. Do you have a feel for what I am describing. What's with this guy named mo and the antacid crap. I will check out your site. I have been there before. Write back if you can...Pete
>> This group used to be pretty good back in 1997 when there were several >> doctors involved and a lot of suffering prostatitis persons just like you [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I have not heard of any studies showing this. For serious discussions of > prostatitis, go to www.chronicpelvicpain.us BO L. - 16 May 2005 07:49 GMT > Bol...I didn't mean it literally (i.e., that there was a definite > connection or that one leads to the other). Sorry for the misnomer. I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > you pee). It is hard to describe but it will eat you alive and it is non > stop. Do you have a feel for what I am describing. Thanks for the clarification. I've never had symptoms like this. Keep in mind that the symptoms can very widely from person to person. My sympyoms have been limited to pain at the penis tip, in the rectum if I sit for long periods of time, and sometimes ED. My symptoms also wax an wane. Spicey foods and alcohol tend to cause flair ups.
> What's with this guy named mo and the antacid crap. I suspect "mo" is the latest screen name for a guy formerly known as "Fatty Mawson", a troll who has posted his antacid remedies here for years.
>I will check out your site. It's the most active forum that I've found on the internet for discussing this problem.
> I have been there before. Write back if you can...Pete Pete - 17 May 2005 00:02 GMT Thanks bol...what's with the "macromedia flash player 7" activeX control that keeps popping up in the site you recommended. Is it safe to install and what is its purpose other than to just flash up advertisements if you install it. I don't install stuff on my pc unless I am sure it is safe and it is needed. I notice the site works without it (I would just mute the aggravating noise that comes with the pop up bar every time you click a new item to read). Is it needed for certain things, or is it just advertisement stuff...Pete
>> Bol...I didn't mean it literally (i.e., that there was a definite >> connection or that one leads to the other). Sorry for the misnomer. I [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >> I have been there before. Write back if you can...Pete Hi There - 17 May 2005 00:28 GMT > Thanks bol...what's with the "macromedia flash player 7" activeX > control that keeps popping up in the site you recommended. Is it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > with the pop up bar every time you click a new item to read). Is it > needed for certain things, or is it just advertisement stuff...Pete If you don't have Flash installed as a plug-in, you don't use the Internet much. You need to get out more.
Pete - 17 May 2005 02:50 GMT Okay "Hi there" (I wish you people would give a name)...I have a brand new pc with xp (sp2) and it is supposed to have the latest "macromedia flash player" installed. And I use the internet all the time, but not for music or video crap, and this is the first time I got the pop up message about installing the flash player. If it is already on my machine can you tell me how to enable it and why would it be disabled to start with, and will it open up a window in the xp firewall, etc. I did some searching in help under plug and play and could not find much. This has nothing to do with plugging something into a USB port. I don't understand what is going on here...Pete
>> Thanks bol...what's with the "macromedia flash player 7" activeX >> control that keeps popping up in the site you recommended. Is it [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > If you don't have Flash installed as a plug-in, you don't use the > Internet much. You need to get out more. Pete - 17 May 2005 03:41 GMT Excuse me "Hi there"...After I read your message, I read in some site that xp had the flash player already installed, but that is not the case, and I will install it. My humble apologies (i.e. forget the message before this one). I do remember downloading it on my old millennium. I do a lot of searching but not much video stuff like I said. Have a nice day...Pete
> Okay "Hi there" (I wish you people would give a name)...I have a brand new > pc with xp (sp2) and it is supposed to have the latest "macromedia flash [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> If you don't have Flash installed as a plug-in, you don't use the >> Internet much. You need to get out more. jrh - 18 May 2005 07:34 GMT clip
> I asked the surgeon how does he know I don't have proctitis > or a massive yeast infection > and he said if I had proctitis I should be bleeding and he > has never seen yeast in the rectum If you are brave, ask your Doctor about this Diagnostic procedure:
1. After a bowel movement wash the colon several times with water. 2. Insert 10ml of 50-95% ethanol into the rectum. (be prepared it will burn like hell) 3. After 3 to 5 minutes expel the alcohol and mucus into a cup. (20-50ml?) 4. Examine the mucus under a 10-50x stereo microscope for any particles and red or amber(fibrinogen?) streaks. 5. Isolate and examine anything found at 100-2000x especially anything amber. 6. Disolve the remaining mucus in 10% NaOH solution. 7. After the mucus has disolved (softly shake for 2-5 minutes?) neutralize the solution and centrifuge. 8. Remove the liquid, stain the remainder (for fungi) and place on a slide. 9. Examine at 500-2000x.
jrh
Pete - 19 May 2005 00:36 GMT jrh...How in the world would you ever get a doctor to agree with what you recommended below. He or she would dismiss you and toss you out on your ear. My new primary doctor, who I just asked for prednisone (and he refused - it's in one of my posts above) immediately sent me a certified letter saying he was dropping me and didn't even give me a reason why (my heart fell to my feet, since I am already totally distraught with my current prostatitis problem). I immediately called his office, and after insisting to talk to him (it is very rare if you can get a doctor to talk to you on the phone anymore), he got on the phone and told me he dropped me because he thought I was trying to force him to give me the prednisone against his training. I humbly apologized and begged for his forgiveness (because I really did like him) and he agreed that it is was a misunderstanding and said he would forget the certified letter and keep me as a patient. I have to have a primary (in case I get bronchitis, etc), and I just lost my other one since he left his practice, and I can't take any more doctors right now.
I thought this new primary doctor (only been to him 3 times - foreign decent but spoke good English, and very friendly) was the nicest doctor I have ever been to and I told him that during our first meeting. I have been to over 75 doctors in my life and most of them are prima donnas, who won't call you by your first name and you are just a chart to them, and who don't respect your right to study or research your disease, and they will dismiss you quickly if you are not careful how you word things to them, especially anything that may imply you know more than they do). This new doctor was not like that - he called me Peter when he came in the room and we had a very relaxed talk and he said the patient always comes first when I told him you have to be able to communicate with your doctor, and he said the patient has every right to study their disease or condition. So I really liked this guy and I felt I lucked out. So you can imagine how I felt when I got the certified letter, especially after having the worst time of my life with this prostatitis problem. Anyway I salvaged it, which means he must be a pretty good guy (most doctors would never reverse their decision if they dropped you, and most people would not want to go back anyway - but that is not the case here). I have been dropped by doctors, and dropped other doctors on my own in the past due to personality conflicts. The bitch is they all band together in one group (5 or 6 doctors), so when when you lose one you lose them all, and then you may have to go to the nearest city for another one (especially for the specialists).
My point in writing that long explanation is that there is no way any doctor in the world would let you come into his/her office and give him/her the diagnostic procedure you recommended below. First of all they wouldnt do it themselves- it would have to be done in a hospital/lab environment probably by some technician, and the doctor would have to spell it out what to do. How the hell did you have this done and what particular type of bacteria or fungus or whatever were you looking for and what did they find.
Pete
> clip > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > jrh jrh - 19 May 2005 03:54 GMT >jrh...How in the world would you ever get a doctor to agree with what you >recommended below. He or she would dismiss you and toss you out on your [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >How the hell did you have this done and what particular type of bacteria or >fungus or whatever were you looking for and what did they find. Looking for something established medicine has not yet discovered. "They" did not find anything, because "they" did not look. If one had an anorectal problem like a fistula, impacted or ruptured anal gland, or a fungal abscess, it would seem logical to expect to see some evidence of it in anorectal secretions.
Fungi are present in the intestiona tract, and they are necessary for digestion. A search of the internet will find little information on the subject. So even if the test were done and fungi was found, how would the lab know if it was abnormal? Red or amber would be blood or clotting factor and I believe would indicate a problem.
The current diagnostic procedure for this type of problem from
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Perianal abscess represents an infection of the soft tissues surrounding the anal canal, with formation of a discrete abscess cavity. The severity and depth of the abscess are quite variable, and the abscess cavity frequently is associated with formation of a fistulous tract. For that reason, both perianal abscess and perianal fistula are discussed in this article.
Problem: Anorectal abscesses originate from infection arising in the cryptoglandular epithelium lining the anal canal. The internal anal sphincter is believed to serve normally as a barrier to infection passing from the gut lumen to the deep perirectal tissues. This barrier can be breached through the crypts of Morgagni, which can penetrate through the internal sphincter into the intersphincteric space. Once infection gains access to the intersphincteric space, it has easy access to the adjacent perirectal spaces. Extension of the infection can involve the intersphincteric space, ischiorectal space, or even the supralevator space. In some instances, the abscess remains contained within the intersphincteric space. The variety of anatomic sequelae of the primary infection is translated into variable clinical presentations.
Frequency: The peak incidence of anorectal abscesses is in the third to fourth decades of life. Men are affected more frequently than women, with a male-to-female predominance of 2:1 to 3:1. Approximately 30% of patients with anorectal abscesses report a previous history of similar abscesses that either resolved spontaneously or required surgical intervention. A higher incidence of abscess formation appears to correspond with the spring and summer seasons. While demographics point to a clear disparity in the occurrence of anal abscesses with respect to age and sex, no obvious pattern exists among various countries or regions of the world. Although suggested, a direct relationship between bowel habits, frequent diarrhea, and poor personal hygiene and the formation of anorectal abscesses remains unproved.
The occurrence of perianal abscesses in infants also is quite common. The exact mechanism is poorly understood but does not appear to be related to constipation. Fortunately, in infants this condition is quite benign and rarely requires any operative intervention other than simple drainage.
Etiology: Perirectal abscesses and fistulas represent anorectal disorders arising predominately from the obstruction of anal crypts. Infection of the now static glandular secretions results in suppuration and abscess formation within the anal gland. The abscess typically forms initially within the intersphincteric space and then spreads along adjacent potential spaces.
Pathophysiology: Perirectal abscesses and fistulas represent anorectal disorders that arise predominately from the obstruction of anal crypts. Normal anatomy demonstrates anywhere from 4-10 anal glands drained by respective crypts at the level of the dentate line. Anal glands normally function to lubricate the anal canal. Obstruction of anal crypts results in stasis of glandular secretions and, when subsequently infected, suppuration and abscess formation within the anal gland results. The abscess typically forms in the intersphincteric space and can spread along various potential spaces. Common organisms implicated in abscess formation include Escherichia coli, Enterococcus species, and Bacteroides species; however, no specific bacterium has been identified as a unique cause of abscesses. Less common causes of anorectal abscess that must be considered in the differential diagnosis include tuberculosis, cancer, Crohn disease, trauma, leukemia, and lymphoma.
Clinical: The classic locations of anorectal abscesses listed in order of decreasing frequency are as follows: perianal 60%, ischiorectal 20%, intersphincteric 5%, supralevator 4%, and submucosal 1% (see Image 1). Clinical presentation correlates with the anatomical location of the abscess.
Patients with perianal abscesses typically complain of dull perianal discomfort and pruritus. Their perianal pain often is exacerbated by movement and increased perineal pressure from sitting or defecation. Physical examination demonstrates a small, erythematous, well-defined, fluctuant, subcutaneous mass near the anal orifice.
Patients with ischiorectal abscesses often present with systemic fevers, chills, and severe perirectal pain and fullness consistent with the more advanced nature of this process. External signs are minimal and may include erythema, induration, or fluctuance. On digital rectal examination (DRE), a fluctuant indurated mass may be encountered. Optimal physical assessment of an ischiorectal abscess may require anesthesia to alleviate patient discomfort that would otherwise limit the extent of the examination.
Patients with intersphincteric abscesses present with rectal pain and exhibit localized tenderness on DRE. Physical examination may fail to identify an intersphincteric abscess. Though rare, supralevator abscesses present a similar diagnostic challenge. As a result, clinical suspicion of an intersphincteric or supralevator abscess may require confirmation by CT scan, MRI, or anal ultrasonography. The latter is limited to confirming the presence of an intersphincteric abscess.
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>> clip >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >> jrh Pete - 19 May 2005 04:37 GMT I'm confused...did you have this strange diagnostic procedure done or not, and if you did what did it show. That's a straight forward question...Pete
>>jrh...How in the world would you ever get a doctor to agree with what you >>recommended below. He or she would dismiss you and toss you out on your [quoted text clipped - 287 lines] >>> >>> jrh jrh - 19 May 2005 07:22 GMT > I'm confused...did you have this strange diagnostic procedure > done or not, Discovered by accident, did not have it done.
> what did it show. I was unable to contact a medical facility with any interest in looking into the idea an anorectal problem could be the cause of CP-CPPS, although I did finad a Doctors website in China proposing the idea.
I found a researcher at the University of Hawai willing to scan the artifacts with an electron microscope but I was unable to find a clinic willing to prepare the samples.
I examaned all of the images of fungi I could find on the web looking for a match, there were a lot of similarities, but nothing identical. I couldn't loacat any images of fungi common to the human intestional tract on the web.
For now, far as this disorder goes, I don't believe Doctors are going to be much help. If what I believe is true, CP-CPPS may have a simple cause, but it cascades into multiple problems that are difficult to treat.
The theory:
1. Anal gland/s become impacted with yeast/fungi/bacteria from excessive sitting and bad diet. 2. Clamydospores migrate from the impacted glands to adjacent tissue carrying bacteria along with spores. 3. The reproductive tract becomes infected with bacteria and yeast. 4. The immune system responds, and an immune response to sperm is conditioned. 5. The blood supply in the region becomes restricted by the immune response or from chemicals emited by yeast/fungi. 6. Sitting stops blood circulation in the affected area, causing discomfort and pain. 7. Hemorrhoids flare up. 8. Muscles weaken. 9. Arthritis.
good luck jrh
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Also, If you have calcification of the prostate, Dr Shoskes in the U.S. is looking into the effects of tetracycline and a suppliment on patients with that characteristic. However, I don't believe he will be back in practive until this summer.
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