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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostatitis / February 2005Single Pill Multi Herbal Supplements
These should be avoided, in my opinion, for the following reasons: 1. They usually contain powdered ingredients which are inferior to liquid caps (ex. Saw Palmetto). 2. They can cause harmful interactions (ex. Saw Palmetto & Papain as in Prosta-Q) http://www.drugdigest.org/DD/DVH/HerbsInteractions/0,3926,4066|Saw%2BPalmetto,00.html 3. Ingredients and dosages aren't always correct, or substandard quality ingredients are used (ex. Nettle leaf extract instead of Nettle root extract, or insufficient daily amounts). Since there's an ocean of snake oil out there, eating the right foods, or at least consuming the right individual quality supplements seems like the better method. If you are saying that Saw Palmetto should be avoided, what a load of sh.t! I used to be incapable of sitting straight due to the pain in the left side of my arse. Now I can sit straight due to Saw Palmetto. Damned stuff made me very sick in the stomach when I first started on it but I got used to it eventually. Cant imagine living without it now. > These should be avoided, in my opinion, for the following reasons: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > or at least consuming the right individual quality supplements seems > like the better method. You misunderstand what I mean. Saw Palmetto is more effective in liquid gel caps vs. powder pills. I'm glad you had positive results with it, since I also just started taking it. > You misunderstand what I mean. Saw Palmetto is more effective in liquid > gel caps vs. powder pills. I'm glad you had positive results with it, > since I also just started taking it. Oh, OK. As for it being more effective, I find it VERY effective in capsule form. > If you are saying that Saw Palmetto should be avoided, what a load of > sh.t! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > made me very sick in the stomach when I first started on it but I got used > to it eventually. Cant imagine living without it now. May I suggest to you Dr. Ronald Wheeler's PEENUTS product. Read the success stories at http://www.peenuts.com/testimonials.asp >> If you are saying that Saw Palmetto should be avoided, what a load of >> sh.t! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > May I suggest to you Dr. Ronald Wheeler's PEENUTS product. Read the > success stories at http://www.peenuts.com/testimonials.asp "pee nuts"???? You are joking, yes? This PEENUTS product examplifies my point exactly, thanks spammer. The only real ingredient in it is Saw Palmetto, which is most likely in powder form = ineffective. For the price of this crap, you could buy a large quantity of quality Saw Palmetto and some good mult-vitamins from Walgreens. > This PEENUTS product examplifies my point exactly, thanks spammer. The > only real ingredient in it is Saw Palmetto, which is most likely in > powder form = ineffective. For the price of this crap, you could buy a > large quantity of quality Saw Palmetto and some good mult-vitamins from > Walgreens. I don't agree that SP in powder is ineffective. I take capsules full of SP powder and they are VERY effective to me. As said before, my left arse cheek was too sore to sit on until I started on them. For your information, PEENUTS was invented by one of the most respected prostatitis specialists in the world - Dr. Ronald Wheeler. Tell the people who wrote the success stories at the link I posted that it is a piece of crap and ineffective. > This PEENUTS product examplifies my point exactly, thanks spammer. The > only real ingredient in it is Saw Palmetto, which is most likely in > powder form = ineffective. For the price of this crap, you could buy a > large quantity of quality Saw Palmetto and some good mult-vitamins from > Walgreens. >> May I suggest to you Dr. Ronald Wheeler's PEENUTS product. Read the >> success stories at http://www.peenuts.com/testimonials.asp > > "pee nuts"???? You are joking, yes? Don't let the name full you. This product was invented br Dr Ronald Wheeler, one of the world's leading experts in prostatitis. He discovered a connection between prostatitis and prostate cancer. >>> May I suggest to you Dr. Ronald Wheeler's PEENUTS product. Read the >>> success stories at http://www.peenuts.com/testimonials.asp [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Wheeler, one of the world's leading experts in prostatitis. He discovered > a connection between prostatitis and prostate cancer. Correction... Don't let the name fool you. This product was invented br Dr Ronald Wheeler, one of the world's leading experts in prostatitis. He discovered a connection between prostatitis and prostate cancer. >> May I suggest to you Dr. Ronald Wheeler's PEENUTS product. Read the >> success stories at http://www.peenuts.com/testimonials.asp > > "pee nuts"???? You are joking, yes? Don't let the name fool you. This product was invented br Dr Ronald Wheeler, one of the world's leading experts in prostatitis. He discovered a connection between prostatitis and prostate cancer. And what makes him a "world leading expert" (ROTFL)? The fact that he has a website and that the prostatitis foundation has a link with a disclaimer that links are not endorsements? The fact that he does not have a single peer reviewed publication on prostatitis? The fact that the herbal supplement he hawks has never been tested in any clinical trial, even though he promised years ago to do one? The fact that his "discovery of a connection between prostatitis and prostate cancer" is a hypothesis of his which he made without a shred of data and which actually contradicts epidemiology studies showing no link between CPPS and cancer (there IS a postulated link between asymptomatic inflammation and cancer)? Well, I think the name that he picked for his product does show a flair for the serious investigation of clinical science. Or maybe you have a connection to this shining light in the academic urological community? Have you ever heard of keeping an open mind? > And what makes him a "world leading expert" (ROTFL)? The fact that he > has a website and that the prostatitis foundation has a link with a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Or maybe you have a connection to this shining light in the academic > urological community? OK, my mind is open. Convince me. How do you define a world leading expert in prostatitis? How does Dr. Wheeler fulfill your criteria? > OK, my mind is open. Convince me. > > How do you define a world leading expert in prostatitis? > How does Dr. Wheeler fulfill your criteria? Read the success stories at http://www.peenuts.com/testimonials.asp Another leading doctor substantiates Wheeler's claim of the prostate cancer connection and endorses the Peenuts product: http://www.prostate90.com/prostatitis/index.html So online testimonials, just like the ones you see on TV at 3 am are your proof that Wheeler is a world leading expert in prostatitis? An endorsement from a website run by another obvious "toxin cleansing" quack is further proof? Did you know that the word gullible is not in the dictionary? Honestly, you'll have to do better than that to convince anyone with half a brain, no matter how open. I have but as it turns out due to my multiple health problems, she keeps me. :) > Have you ever heard of keeping an open mind? > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> Or maybe you have a connection to this shining light in the academic >> urological community? >>> May I suggest to you Dr. Ronald Wheeler's PEENUTS product. Read the >>> success stories at http://www.peenuts.com/testimonials.asp [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Wheeler, one of the world's leading experts in prostatitis. He discovered a >connection between prostatitis and prostate cancer. Using the usual search engines, I haven't had any luck finding more info on the link between prostatitis and PCa. I've wondered about a possible link. I've asked a couple of GPs and my urologist about it and they said they were not familiar with any definitive studies documenting this. Any links or pointers in the right direction would be most appreciated. TIA DFB "When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a citizen's constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take matters into his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all." - Justice William O. Douglas > >Don't let the name fool you. This product was invented br Dr Ronald > >Wheeler, one of the world's leading experts in prostatitis. He discovered a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > TIA > DFB Don't give any credence to the claim made by Dr Wheeler. He is by and large regarded as a quack and has never been able to back the prostate cancer claim. Read the following abstract which indicates that the prostate cancer link theory is not supported: Epidemiology. 2004 Jan;15(1):93-9. Prostatitis as a risk factor for prostate cancer. Roberts RO, Bergstralh EJ, Bass SE, Lieber MM, Jacobsen SJ. Department of Health Sciences Research, Division of Epidemiology, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota 55905, USA. roberts.rose...@mayo.edu BACKGROUND: The association of infection or inflammation of the prostate with prostate cancer has been suggested but not established. This study was undertaken to investigate this association. METHODS: Cases were Olmsted County, Minnesota, residents with histologically proven prostate cancer diagnosed between January 1980 and December 1996. Cases (n = 409) were each matched to 2 control subjects (n = 803) on age at diagnosis of prostate cancer, residency in Olmsted County, and duration of the community medical record. The medical record of each subject was reviewed for a history of acute or chronic bacterial prostatitis or chronic pelvic pain syndrome (inflammatory type). RESULTS: The relative odds of prostate cancer were elevated in men with history of any type of prostatitis (odds ratio [OR] = 1.7; 95% confidence interval [CI] = 1.1-2.6) or acute prostatitis (2.5; 1.3-4.7). The mean time from most recent episode of acute prostatitis to the diagnosis of prostate cancer was 12.2 years. After exclusion of men with acute prostatitis 2 years before the index date, the relationship was somewhat reduced (1.9; 0.9-3.8). Chronic bacterial prostatitis was more weakly associated with prostate cancer (1.6; 0.8-3.1), whereas chronic pelvic pain syndrome was not associated at all (0.9; 0.4-1.8). CONCLUSIONS: Infection in the form of acute or chronic bacterial prostatitis may be associated with prostate cancer. However, our data do not provide compelling evidence to support this. As a result of the limitations of current methods of assessing chronic prostatitis, biochemical or tissue markers of infection or inflammation of the prostate may help clarify their role in the pathogenesis of prostate cancer. >>> May I suggest to you Dr. Ronald Wheeler's PEENUTS product. Read the >>> success stories at http://www.peenuts.com/testimonials.asp [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > a > connection between prostatitis and prostate cancer. Honestly the guy may be a medical genius but he really needs to take a course in marketing. :) > > Don't let the name fool you. This product was invented br Dr Ronald > > Wheeler, one of the world's leading experts in prostatitis. He discovered > > a > > connection between prostatitis and prostate cancer. > > Honestly the guy may be a medical genius Who? Wheeler? I don't recall seeing any peer-reviewed publications from this guy in the area of prostatitis. >but he really needs to take a > course in marketing. :) |
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