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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostatitis / January 2005distribution of PROSTATIS-syndromes
Hi peoples, im a german guy with problems since 3 weeks; Has anybody a scientific source (book, study), in which the variants of p. are shown in percentage ? e.g. 10% acute 60% chronic 30% prostadyne ... >Has anybody a scientific source (book, study), in which the >variants of p. are shown in percentage ? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >60% chronic >30% prostadyne ... I recall that nickels book (english only as far as I know) says something at least NIH (USA) clasification: (page 31) cat I acute (bacterial) cat II recurrent infections cat III chronic non-bacterial (or CPPS) -> cat IIIa CPPS -> cat IIIb CPPS (95% of cat III) Acute Bacterial Prostatits is rare, diagnosis is relatively simple, treatment is invariably successful. Few patients progress into chronic prostatitis syndrome. (Page 57) not very statistical, but the NIH classifications are a very useful basis for communication. Maybe there is survey research based on them, but I have not seen it anywhere. The Nickel book can be seen for purchase and limited review of some pages at http://www.bps-assoc.org.uk/books_Nickel.cfm (use acrobat)  SignatureAC - For Prostatitis Support in UK - see www.bps-assoc.org.uk >>Has anybody a scientific source (book, study), in which the >>variants of p. are shown in percentage ? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > prostatitis syndrome. > (Page 57) Interesting that because mine is acute and bacterial and never goes away no matter what is done. The specialist said it was the most common. BTW, on another note, "Prostatits". No wonder my nipples hurt! :) >> Acute Bacterial Prostatits is rare, diagnosis is relatively simple, >> treatment is invariably successful. Few patients progress into chronic >> prostatitis syndrome. >> (Page 57) > >Interesting that because mine is acute and bacterial very strange, never heard of that. Are you satisfied that the tests for 'bacteria' are ok? > and never goes away no >matter what is done have you had a second independent opinion? >. The specialist said it was the most common. It *is* common to come across specialists who are not as experienced or as effective as might be hoped for! Have a good look around the internet for comments and symptoms and treatments - what you say surprises me. SignatureFor Prostatitis Support in UK - see www.bps-assoc.org.uk >>> Acute Bacterial Prostatits is rare, diagnosis is relatively simple, >>> treatment is invariably successful. Few patients progress into chronic [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > very strange, never heard of that. Are you satisfied that the tests for > 'bacteria' are ok? Yep. Doxy, when I dont take it constantly helps. >> and never goes away no >>matter what is done > > have you had a second independent opinion? No, I dont really think it is needed to be honest. It is clear I have bacterial and it is clear it doesnt ever go away in reality though I guess there may be some, somewhere, who have experienced it being gone for good. >>. The specialist said it was the most common. > It *is* common to come across specialists who are not as experienced or > as effective as might be hoped for! I dont believe that to be the case to be honest. > Have a good look around the internet for comments and symptoms and > treatments - what you say surprises me. Doesn't surprise me at all. I have actually read this many times over on Internet since being diagnosed. >>>> Acute Bacterial Prostatits is rare, diagnosis is relatively simple, >>>> treatment is invariably successful. Few patients progress into chronic [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Yep. Doxy, when I dont take it constantly helps. That does not mean that you have a bacterial infection. Have you had an EPS sample taken and then have had a five-day culture taken on it? >>>>> Acute Bacterial Prostatits is rare, diagnosis is relatively simple, >>>>> treatment is invariably successful. Few patients progress into chronic [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > That does not mean that you have a bacterial infection. I have acute bacterial prostatitis, definitely. >>> Yep. Doxy, when I dont take it constantly helps. >> >> That does not mean that you have a bacterial infection. > > I have acute bacterial prostatitis, definitely. By defenition, acute bacterial prostatitis is only temporary. Why don't see one of the good doctors instead of the quacks, like Wheeler, Polacheck, and Feliciano? >>>> Yep. Doxy, when I dont take it constantly helps. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > By defenition, acute bacterial prostatitis is only temporary. No, not true. Unfortunately the prostate is an organ that filters. The area cannot fully be treated no matter what you do to get rid of the bacteria thus it always comes back, never goes away. > Why don't see one of the good doctors instead of the quacks, like Wheeler, > Polacheck, and Feliciano? I don't go to known quacks. > > By defenition, acute bacterial prostatitis is only temporary. > > No, not true. Unfortunately the prostate is an organ that filters. The area > cannot fully be treated no matter what you do to get rid of the bacteria > thus it always comes back, never goes away. This sounds more like chronic bacterial prostatitis. It's also rare. If you're certain that you do have an infection, have you considered an intraprostatic injection? >> > By defenition, acute bacterial prostatitis is only temporary. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > This sounds more like chronic bacterial prostatitis. It's the same thing - acute, severe, chronic. They mean the same thing. > It's also rare. Actually no. It's quite a common thing according to the uro who diagnosed me. > If you're certain that you do have an infection, have you considered an > intraprostatic injection? They are only a quack's idea of something to help unfortunately. The needle going in can lead to worse problems and NEVER clears it. Unfortunately it ALWAYS comes back, never goes away and there is nothing that can be done about it under current medical technology except with the possibility of removing the prostate. I don't like that idea though. > >> > By defenition, acute bacterial prostatitis is only temporary. > >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > about it under current medical technology except with the possibility of > removing the prostate. I don't like that idea though. It seems that those who do not have chronic bacterial prostatitis have difficulty accepting or acknowledging that there are a significant number of sufferers out there. I would never try to minimize the difficulties of CPPS. Perhaps the majority of posters here have CPPS, but they should recognize that bacterial infections are real and are difficult to get rid of. I should know after 30 years. >> >> > By defenition, acute bacterial prostatitis is only temporary. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > should > know after 30 years. You don't have to have it that long to become educated on the point, though. I have had it probably about 15 years as I can remember the pain but chose to ignore it. When I was diagnosed with it, I went straight to the web and found out a lot of stuff. The injections mentioned by that other person can lead people to a LOT of trouble and yes you are right, it is impossible to get rid of chronic bacterial prostatitis without getting rid of the prostate right now. > It's the same thing - acute, severe, chronic. They mean the same thing. As a former paramedic, I can tell you that the definition of acute and chronic are NOT the same thing. An acute condition is one that arises quickly, and is treated, then goes away. Chronic conditions are ones that are recurrent. Acute conditions may recur, but there are usually very long periods of time between recurrences, unlike chronic conditions, which are constant. The term severe has nothing to do with the duration of the condition. It is a measure of the potency of the condition. Example: There are two forms of organ rejection. (I am a transplant patient, I know about this issue) Acute and chronic. Acute rejection (which I have had.) is treated, and then goes away. Chronic rejection stays with the person, and is almost impossible to knock down, resulting in the need for re-transplantation. An acute bacterial infection, wherever it is, is treated, and then the symptoms go away as a result of the bacteria being cleared form the body. In chronic conditions, the bacteria is not cleared form the body, resulting in re-infection. A classic example of this would be herpes simplex, which is a chronic viral condition. SignatureDavid Spiro Liver Transplant Recipient - 8/1/97 RECYCLE YOURSELF! - BE AN ORGAN DONOR "The fool wonders, the wise man asks." --Benjamin Disraeli >> It's the same thing - acute, severe, chronic. They mean the same thing. > > As a former paramedic, I can tell you that the definition of acute and > chronic are NOT the same thing. Good for you. I can tell you it is. You cannot have chroinc without it being acute. You cannot have Chronic or acute without it first being severe. You may have been a paramedic but you dont understand the words if you dont think I am right. > An acute condition is one that arises quickly, and is treated, then goes > away. Rubbish. That is only SOMETIMES true. Acute can be recurring and never going away. > Chronic conditions are ones that are recurrent. Again, rubbish. Chronic conditions not only are recurring, they also refer to incurable conditions that never lessen. Your lack of understanding of the semantics here is amazing for a self-called former paramedic! > Acute conditions may recur, but there are usually very long > periods of time between recurrences, unlike chronic conditions, which are Once more, rubbish. Ask any RRMS sufferer if they suffer long times between. Some do, a lot dont. You can have short intervals or anything in between. At this point I gave up answering. I suggest you get used to the way the words chronic, acute, severe are used these days in reference to medical problems. They all mean the same thing. A chronic condition is often referred to as an acute one and either is often referred to as severe. I have severe sleep apnea. It is also referred to by sleep disorders professionals as a chronic condition and it is labelled severe because it is, as I have been told, as bad as it gets while still being here to talk about it. Words change over time. Keep up with the changes! Sorry, you are flat out wrong. Feel free to make up your own definitions and call what you have anything you want, but there is one clear and unambiguous definition of acute prostatitis (NIH category I prostatitis). It is an acute urinary tract infection characterized by fever, chills, pain and urinary symptoms (often leading to urinary retention) caused by bacteria easily recoverable from the urine and usually gram negative rods (eg E. coli). It is highly responsive to antibiotics and very rarely recurrs unless there are other predisposing urological conditions (chronic retention). The vast majority of patients with chronic bacterial (category II) and "nonbacterial" chronic pelvic pain syndrome (category III) have never had an episode of acute prostatitis. These are the definitions. Argue all you want about what you think it SHOULD mean and what your own diagnosis SHOULD be called, but that doesn't change the facts. > Sorry, you are flat out wrong. No, sorry, sadly you are. You don't understand what the words mean, quite obviously. Sad, really. Put your money where your mouth is dickwad. If my definition is correct, you donate $5000 via paypal to the red cross tsunami relief effort and post your paypal receipt minus your real name. If my definition as posted is wrong, I'll do the same. I'll be glad to post the source of the definition from several published peer reviewed journals and 1 textbook written by the leader in the field. Till then, keep your own delusional theories to yourself. > Put your money where your mouth is dickwad. Sigh. That's the end of it. You are wrong, you know it and you resort to that. What a fool Gutbuster, you are flat out wrong. You can reason it all you want, but the terms acute, chronic and severe are not, and never were the same. SignatureDavid Spiro Liver Transplant Recipient - 8/1/97 RECYCLE YOURSELF! - BE AN ORGAN DONOR "The fool wonders, the wise man asks." --Benjamin Disraeli I ended this thread when it was proven I was right by people resorting to name calling. That's all that needs be said. > Gutbuster, you are flat out wrong. You can reason it all you want, but the > terms acute, chronic and severe are not, and never were the same. > I ended this thread when it was proven I was right by people > resorting to name calling. That's all that needs be said. You're a moron. Somewhere there's a village looking for its idiot. Go home. >> I ended this thread when it was proven I was right by people >> resorting to name calling. That's all that needs be said. > > You're a moron. Somewhere there's a village looking for its idiot. Go > home. I ended this thread when it was proven I was right by people resorting to name calling. That's all that needs be said. >>> I ended this thread when it was proven I was right by people >>> resorting to name calling. That's all that needs be said. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I ended this thread when it was proven I was right by people > resorting to name calling. That's all that needs be said. When idiots won't listen, intelligent people call them names. Got it? >>>> I ended this thread when it was proven I was right by people resorting >>>> to name calling. That's all that needs be said. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > When idiots won't listen, intelligent people call them names. Got it? I ended this thread when it was proven I was right by people resorting to name calling. That's all that needs be said. > I ended this thread when it was proven I was right by people resorting to > name calling. That's all that needs be said. Your choice. Have fun wallowing in your ignorance. >> I ended this thread when it was proven I was right by people resorting to >> name calling. That's all that needs be said. > > Your choice. Have fun wallowing in your ignorance. I ended this thread when it was proven I was right by people resorting to name calling. That's all that needs be said. > I ended this thread when it was proven I was right by people resorting to > name calling. That's all that needs be said. ................and yet, you keep responding to the posts. So much for this thread being "ended". >> I ended this thread when it was proven I was right by people resorting to >> name calling. That's all that needs be said. > > ................and yet, you keep responding to the posts. So much for > this > thread being "ended". I ended this thread when it was proven I was right by people resorting to name calling. That's all that needs be said. >>> I ended this thread when it was proven I was right by people >>> resorting to name calling. That's all that needs be said. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I ended this thread when it was proven I was right by people > resorting to name calling. That's all that needs be said. OK, Guts, you win then ;-) > I ended this thread when it was proven I was right by people resorting to > name calling. That's all that needs be said. Your repetition of your own vomit doesn't make it any more true. Henceforth you will not get any more replies from me due to your childish behavior. >> I ended this thread when it was proven I was right by people resorting to >> name calling. That's all that needs be said. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Henceforth you will not get any more replies from me due to your childish > behavior. I ended this thread when it was proven I was right by people resorting to name calling. That's all that needs be said. Thanky you for this first info; in the meantime I have found this "classification" in german-press as well; So, I am astonished -better say shocked- that there is no "chance" to get an -->acute non-bacterial syndrome<-- ========================== > >Has anybody a scientific source (book, study), in which the > >variants of p. are shown in percentage ? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > http://www.bps-assoc.org.uk/books_Nickel.cfm > (use acrobat) [...] >not very statistical, but the NIH classifications are a very useful >basis for communication. Maybe there is survey research based on them, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >http://www.bps-assoc.org.uk/books_Nickel.cfm >(use acrobat) I have just discovered that google recently began a 'scholar' search site - useful for detail scientific searches for example try looking using that: http://www.scholar.google.com/ SignatureFor Prostatitis Support in UK - see www.bps-assoc.org.uk |
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