Greetings,
First time poster here. I'm 2+ years into this and have tried all
kinds of antibiotics. 3 uros, one family doc, homeopath, acupuncture,
and hypnosis and no results. I have read this board for over a year
and since no one has addressed this question, I guess I will. Is there
any research suggesting the possibility of the herpes virus causing
this condition? Has anyone seen anything along these lines? I do not
have 'gh' to my knowledge, I have asked the uros if it's possible and
I get the same answer "you would know if you had genital herpes." My
pain is constant in the urethra and tip of penis. The uros tell me
that the herpes virus simply doesn't act that way. My question is that
since the prostate is 'sealed' if you will - could the herpes virus
travel up the urethra, get trapped within the prostate keeping it from
traveling to the ganglia at the base of the spine, and stay in the
prostate with no other 'classic symptoms' whatsoever? Anyone have any
thoughts on this?
Robert - 09 Oct 2004 00:25 GMT
Herpes comes and goes with sporadic occurrences. It isn't constantly with
you day in and out for months.
I get fever blisters once every several years.
Prostate sealed?
Fluid comes out of there so how can it be sealed.
> Greetings,
> First time poster here. I'm 2+ years into this and have tried all
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> prostate with no other 'classic symptoms' whatsoever? Anyone have any
> thoughts on this?
NorthernSpy1 - 10 Oct 2004 13:13 GMT
>I get the same answer "you would know if you had genital herpes." My
>pain is constant in the urethra and tip of penis. The uros tell me
>that the herpes virus simply doesn't act that way.
Anything is possible, but your docs are certainly correct that herpes doesn't
work that way, or not ordinarily.
Herpes moves in waves. Even in people who's immune system doesn't handle it
very well, the infection blooms in blisters, and then (unless you have HIV or
something) it gradually fades.
Then in some people it reappears -- sometimes often. Each time it reappears
it usually lasts less long, and takes longer to reappear, or only reappears
during times of stress when your immune system is compromised.
Sometimes it threatens to appear -- you feel the beginning symptoms and
swelling or redness may appear -- but then it'll fade without blisters, etc.
This phase sounds closes to what you are describing, except yours doesn't fade.
But constant pain?
Not likely.
Your theory is easy enough to test though. Valtrex, acyclovir or something
else (I'm not up to date) can suppress herpes recurrences, and make them less
frequent, and shorten the duration of any recurrence that occurs. See if your
doctor will prescribe them (I believe the chances of side-effects are low).
- Carlos
sekg - 10 Oct 2004 22:33 GMT
> >I get the same answer "you would know if you had genital herpes." My
> >pain is constant in the urethra and tip of penis. The uros tell me
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>
> - Carlos
Yeah, when I said 'sealed' I was referring to the fact that the
prostate is covered by a lining and makes it tough for antibiotics and
that the major way in/out is urethral. (mostly) ie limited blood
supply etc. Simply the fact that there are no 'bugs' to be found,
which herpes virus is difficult to culture unless there are visible
signs to be lifted off of - if it were internal in men, it would be
next to impossible to diagnose. I also had shingles about a year or
so ago and the clinic gave me hi doses of valtrex to cut off the
possibility of post herpetic neuralgia. It did nothing for the
prostate/urethral pain. The other issue involves foot pain and pain in
my teeth. Somehow, if the pain is having a frolic day, I can feel it
either in my feet or my teeth. It sounds crazy, but they do allign
somehow. Is this a part of the condition, too?
icpps - 11 Oct 2004 19:24 GMT
> Greetings...
> ... Anyone have any thoughts on this?
Viral background for chronic prostatitis seems very unlikely based on
the following findings...
Urology. 2003 Feb;61(2):397-401
Herpes simplex virus, cytomegalovirus, and papillomavirus DNA are not
found in patients with chronic pelvic pain syndrome undergoing radical
prostatectomy for localized prostate cancer.
Leskinen MJ, Vainionpää R, Syrjänen S, Leppilahti M, Marttila T,
Kylmälä T, Tammela TL.
Department of Urology, Seinajoki Central Hospital, Seinajoki, Finland.
OBJECTIVES: To study the possible involvement of viruses in chronic
pelvic pain syndrome (CPPS) using polymerase chain reaction. Among
other factors, the involvement of viruses in CPPS has been speculated,
but few studies have investigated this. METHODS: Consecutive patients
with localized prostate cancer for whom radical prostatectomy was
considered were evaluated for symptoms of CPPS using the National
Institutes of Health Chronic-Prostatitis Symptom Index. Ten patients
with moderate to severe symptoms and 10 without symptoms were included
in the study. The presence of herpes simplex virus (types 1 and 2),
cytomegalovirus, and human papillomavirus DNA was investigated by
polymerase chain reaction in prostatic tissue samples obtained at
radical prostatectomy. RESULTS: All the samples were negative for the
viral sequences tested. CONCLUSIONS: A viral etiology could not be
demonstrated in CPPS. In addition, no association of the viruses with
prostate cancer could be found.