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Diagnostic at chronic prostatitis suffers.

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Vinny - 28 May 2004 19:08 GMT
                      Diagnostic at chronic prostatitis suffers.

     Exact diagnostic the reason of prostate inflammation is very
important
for next step of measures which is TREATMENT.

     Our general task during exact detailed diagnostic is also to
specify
functional possibility of IMMUNE SYSTEM and as a parallel with it to
isolate
alive reasons (bacteries and viruses) which is the reason of prostate
and
seminal
vesicles inflammatory processes in men.
     Frequently CP patients during treatment taking different sort of
antibiotics and in most of cases unsuccessfully. Why it happanening??
Because during taking different antibiotics IMMUNE SYSTEM is inbalanced,

weak and need to be inproved. Therefore first step during diagnostic
should
be DETAILED IMMUNEDIAGNOSTIC including Cellular and humorale immunity.

      As showed our experience working with CP patients which are US
and
European origin it is absolutely possible to normalize immune parameters

using some medical measures and then to have a strict control for
chronic
inflammation in prostate and seminal vesicles via own immune system.
     Viral reason of prostatitis it is much more difficult task for
diagnostic and treatment. Because no one insurance company do not want
to
pay for detailed viral diagnostic for CP suffers and it is a fact.
Second,
such diagnostical methods is very expensive and couldn`t be provided in
many
laboratoratories. Because thouse methods require to work with special
Cell
Cultures which are selectively sensitive to specific viruses or
Chlamydies
and of course to work with alive pathogenes in different pathogen level.

     From our experience in US territory such tests provide only one
laboratory placed in Washington.
     Frequently is happening different mix viral-bacterial infections,
and
it is necessary to provide all of those necessary tests. However very
few
laboratories is sertificied by state for such work.
     From our experience of working with CP patients which are US
origin
frequently we isolate from their samples such viruses as: Herpes simplex

virus type 1/2; Herpes virus type 6; Cytomegalovirus; Adenoviruses;
Papilomaviruses; Epstain-Barr virus and some other group of viruses
including such procaryotes as Chlamydia trachomatis, C. pneumoniae,
C.psittaci.
All of those tests require many different reagents including medias,
calf
serum, special Cell Cultures which are sensitive to specific viruses and

etc.
Therefore all of it make difficulties to provide those exact alive
isolation
of pathogenes for many CP suffers and of course most of CP suffers is
aside
from such exact necessary for them diagnostic and it is real fact.
    Information about possibility of treatment will given as separate
report.

    Note: This is not advertisement, not at all. Even if we still
accepting
for service only few CP suffers which are US origin.
    Contrary, we are always saying that each CP suffer must to get
service
in his own country if it is possible.

    Vasily Bayraktar, MD.PhD
    Scientist from Odessa University
    virol@paco.net
Webmaster Chronicprostatitis.com - 30 May 2004 03:41 GMT
> Note: This is not advertisement, not at all.

Oh yes it is!

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Y86T7AZH37388.7755324074%40frog.gilgamesh.org
Vinny - 02 Jun 2004 05:54 GMT
     It seems to me that we become to be for Webmaster Chronicprostatitis.com - as a
personal enemy :-))
     All listed in his report claims it is large Bull sh.t and he knows it very well
without us.
     Each our message is accompainying with such sentence as: Each CP patient must to
get the medical service in their own country. I haven`t idea why  Webmaster
Chronicprostatitis.com  did`n included it also.
     Possible because he is trying to play in his own political games outside the
Site Chronicprostatitis.com which is many times was criticized by many participants
and experts.
     During last few years we invented about six new technologyes of treatment, which
is patented and is protected by state. We are legal autors and co-autors of those
inventions and  patents for new technologyes.
    My advice to Webmaster of site Chronicprostatitis.com, when he will create his
own new technology(es) of treatment, only then he will be host for his own invention
and will own with all legal righs.
    Now concerning Dr. Bradly Hennenfent which arrived to us and checked everything
which we did for our CP/CPPS patients. We spent whole month showing everything which
we provide for our patients, but why Dr. Bradly Hennenfent didn`t reported then we
haven`t any ideas. It will be possibly necessary to ask him directly why he didn`t
it..

    Now I can ask directly the Webmaster of site Chronicprostatitis.com - what
technology(es) did you created or provided in practice, except empty talking and
offended people via your site??? What real advantage did you provided for anyone via
your site??? The answer is nothing for advantage and nothing for suffers benefit,
except emty talking - NOTHING. Maybe he helped for us during our research or did
financial support of our projects??? Not at all, contrary he try to show how he is
clever in his site and this newsgroup. Such as you we saw already during years a lot
of talkers. At the end I would like to say the following: Researchers and Scientists
of your own country receiving from government for their projects direct financial
support and for each of you instead to have a any claims to foreign European doctors,
researchers or scientists, will be possible better to ask them for results.
     Again each CP suffer must to try  to get the medical service in his native
country.

     Vasily Bairaktar, MD,PhD
     Odessa University
prostapackman - 03 Jun 2004 00:12 GMT
>     It seems to me that we become to be for Webmaster
> Chronicprostatitis.com - as a personal enemy :-))

I don't think so. He probably just thinks you're a conman, Vinny.

>       All listed in his report claims it is large Bull sh.t and he
> knows it very well without us.

He says /you/ are full of Bullshit, and you say he's full of it. Who can we
believe?

>     Each our message is accompainying with such sentence as: Each
> CP patient must to get the medical service in their own country. I
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Site Chronicprostatitis.com which is many times was criticized by
> many participants and experts.

You say that you always tell patients to get treatment in their own
countries in your messages. But isn't that just more Bull sh.t, Vinny?
You're telling patients with a virtually incurable condition (or very hard
to treat condition) that you have a whole lot of whizz-bang, unique,
patented treatments that can cure them, but they must not visit you and
should go for more antibiotics in their own country? Come on, Vinny, we're
not that stupid!  sales spiel is a sales spiel , and you can't hide it.

>   During last few years we invented about six new technologyes of
> treatment, which is patented and is protected by state. We are legal
> autors and co-autors of those inventions and  patents for new
>      technologyes.

"But, please, do not come to see us, see your own doctors in your own
country. They don't have our new inventions, but we just wanted to tell you
about them, that's all."

ROTFL

> My advice to Webmaster of site
> Chronicprostatitis.com, when he will create his
> own new technology(es) of treatment, only then he will be host for
> his own invention and will own with all legal righs.

Maybe he's not interested in get-rich-quick Russian schemes?

>      Now concerning Dr. Bradly Hennenfent which arrived to us and
> checked everything which we did for our CP/CPPS patients. We spent
> whole month showing everything which we provide for our patients, but
> why Dr. Bradly Hennenfent didn`t reported then we haven`t any ideas.
> It will be possibly necessary to ask him directly why he didn`t it..

Maybe even Hennenfent couldn't bring himself to endorse your schemes? Or
maybe a bigger contribution to the PF was required? <eg>

Go away, you 'orrible little man!
Vinny - 02 Jun 2004 16:35 GMT
       It is absolutely kidding and show us that you are having large mental
problem which must to be resolved first and then you will thinking about your
prostatitis problem.
      I completely uderstand that newsgroup is a big street where is different
people including men, women and youth. You have only claims and necessity to
different sort of scandals. However we never heard from you nothing for
advantage, when it will be at the end happen??   At the same time we can
understand that you are going and trying to resolve your CP problem if you are
man. But with scandals you will not be able to resolve nothing for yourself and
problem will become more hard. We alredy were convinced in your "cleverness"
and "sharp tongue" what you will propose for next.......
     Stupidness is never win - do not forget it about and remember it
always!!!!!
     Yes, we still accepting few americans for service (diagnostic and
treatment) but we haven`t possibility to provide service for free of charge.
Prick Chaney - 03 Jun 2004 22:57 GMT
>   ....... Stupidness is never win

Then I guess you don't have a snowball's hope in hell.

> Yes, we still accepting few americans for service (diagnostic
> and treatment) but we haven`t possibility to provide service for free
> of charge.

Still with the plug. And this time the old warning about the big price tag
too.

Pig.
 
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