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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostatitis / April 2004Any insight?
I just had 2 more urine analysis/culture, which showed nothing. No WBC/RBC, no organisms found. Could the last sample just have been contaminated? Makaveli >I just had 2 more urine analysis/culture, which showed nothing. No >WBC/RBC, no organisms found. > >Could the last sample just have been contaminated? > >Makaveli Urine cultures are a waste of time. Totally worthless. I've had 8 or 9 over the past year and all come back clean. Yet I have every physical symptom of a bacteria infection, dark green phlegm in large amounts, Bronchial inflammation, Fever, dark yellow ejaculate, extreme fatigue etc... And it all recedes with a course of ABX's. Yet the fck'in worthless yaps that call themselves doctors tell me in spite of all the physical evidence I can't have a bacterial infection, all on an antiquated, out of date test that the simplest microbial organisms have learned to evade. Makes one wonder who's the brightest in this contest. > >I just had 2 more urine analysis/culture, which showed nothing. No > >WBC/RBC, no organisms found. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > organisms have learned to evade. > Makes one wonder who's the brightest in this contest. Have you got PCR tested? Maybe that is true, in your case, seeing it that ABX works for you and they can not culture the organism. Those organisms they cannot culture they call Non-specific. In my case, it was E.Coli , and it did grow on the culture, so i know it does not evade the culture. However it was not there the next 2 cultures. So im guessing it was a handling error. How much are PCR tests? Docs seem to think im crazy that I wanna get it done. Makaveli > >I just had 2 more urine analysis/culture, which showed nothing. No > >WBC/RBC, no organisms found. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > organisms have learned to evade. > Makes one wonder who's the brightest in this contest. Your case seems very interesting. What does your Urinalysis show? What do the doctors think it is then if its not bacteria? Have you seen an infectious disease specialist? >> >I just had 2 more urine analysis/culture, which showed nothing. No >> >WBC/RBC, no organisms found. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Your case seems very interesting. What does your Urinalysis show? What >do the doctors think it is then if its not bacteria? I'm seeing a uro at my local VA hospital. I get a different doctor every time so it's a viscious circle of the same old mis-treatment. >Have you seen an infectious disease specialist? About 10 years back the lung problems started to get serious so I got a refferal to a infectious disease specialist. A waste of time. He worked in the VA system and had the attitude that if the patient could walk and talk he wasn't sick. He used the same lab that all the clinics at the VA use. Ergo the same old crap. There was a special on TV a week or so ago about the horrific conditions at the VA hospitals across the country. Dateline I believe was the show. Even I was appalled, and I've been a victim of the VA for over 25 years and thought I'd seen all they could do. They've actually killled patients in their care. I'd go elsewhere if there was any possible way. > >I just had 2 more urine analysis/culture, which showed nothing. No > >WBC/RBC, no organisms found. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > organisms have learned to evade. > Makes one wonder who's the brightest in this contest. have you tried looking for fungus? >> >I just had 2 more urine analysis/culture, which showed nothing. No >> >WBC/RBC, no organisms found. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >have you tried looking for fungus? They use the same test methods to find fungus so I get the same results. I have a real shitty health care provider who uses only the lowest bid services and supplies. Ditto on most of the personel as well. If I could go elsewhere I would. > >I just had 2 more urine analysis/culture, which showed nothing. No > >WBC/RBC, no organisms found. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Urine cultures are a waste of time. Totally worthless. > I've had 8 or 9 over the past year and all come back clean. How is that worthless as that tells you a lot about what you have or don't have. > Yet I have every physical symptom of a bacteria infection, dark green > phlegm in large amounts, Bronchial inflammation, And you expect them to find bronchial inflammation from a urine culture? Fever, dark yellow > ejaculate, extreme fatigue etc... > And it all recedes with a course of ABX's. Meaning the doctors give you ABX's anyway with all cutures being negative? > Yet the fck'in worthless yaps that call themselves doctors tell me in > spite of all the physical evidence I can't have a bacterial infection, These doctors that give you ABX even though you are culture negative are "fck'in worthless yaps"? > all on an antiquated, out of date test that the simplest microbial > organisms have learned to evade. Out of date meaning what is in date? Simplest microbial organisms have learned to evade what? Bacteria grow when they can eat enough food. Give them food and they will grow. If they don't grow then you don't have the right food or they are not there. > Makes one wonder who's the brightest in this contest. There will be a lot here who will agree with you about doctors being worthless and that tests are inadequate and then you hear that not all doctors are worthless and then the next step is to go to the ones that are not. So go to the ones that are not. >> >I just had 2 more urine analysis/culture, which showed nothing. No >> >WBC/RBC, no organisms found. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >How is that worthless as that tells you a lot about what you have or don't >have. Because Robert the retard, If a test can't find the bacteria infection that's obviously there it's USELESS. >> Yet I have every physical symptom of a bacteria infection, dark green >> phlegm in large amounts, Bronchial inflammation, >And you expect them to find bronchial inflammation from a urine culture? Yeah I do. If a bacteria is systemic then it should show up in the urine, unless the test is so antiquated it sucks and the bacteria has mutated in such a way as to evade the test. God you are so stupid. > Fever, dark yellow >> ejaculate, extreme fatigue etc... >> And it all recedes with a course of ABX's. > >Meaning the doctors give you ABX's anyway with all cutures being negative? NO. It means the doctor is using something called empirical evidence. It's as much an acknowledgement on their parts that they don't know everything, an admission on their part if you will that their test is inadequate. >> Yet the fck'in worthless yaps that call themselves doctors tell me in >> spite of all the physical evidence I can't have a bacterial infection, > >These doctors that give you ABX even though you are culture negative are >"fck'in worthless yaps"? YES. Most refuse to go further and and order newer and more accurate tests that identify the particular strain of bacteria SO that the correct ABX could be prescribed to get rid of this infection once and for all. Instead I have to take a general antibiotic that is only partially effective in controlling the growth of the bacteria. This is half-assed to say the least. Any reputable doctor knows this will only make the problem worse in the long run, allowing the bacterial strain to develop resistance to the current meds. Never mind the harmful side effects the antibiotic is doing to my system while I take it. >> all on an antiquated, out of date test that the simplest microbial >> organisms have learned to evade. >Out of date meaning what is in date? Out of date meaning that the test is OLD! Bacteria like any microrganism uses mutagenic defense as a means of survival. i.e. it's adapted to evade detection with the test means that were developed over 60 years ago. >Simplest microbial organisms have learned to evade what? >Bacteria grow when they can eat enough food. Give them food and they will >grow. If they don't grow then you don't have the right food or they are not >there. >> Makes one wonder who's the brightest in this contest. Well... with such a moronic reply as the one above that you've penned we all now know that when it comes to working glia cells you are definitely a one legged man in an a.s kicking contest, Robert. >There will be a lot here who will agree with you about doctors being >worthless and that tests are inadequate and then you hear that not all >doctors are worthless and then the next step is to go to the ones that are >not. So go to the ones that are not. More half-witted replies. If you had even a jot of intelligence and any power of recall at all you'd have remembered my earlier posts about NOT being able to go elsewhere. That is unless you're volunteering to provide the means of seeking other medical care? Are you Robert? If you are feel free to post info on how you'll send the funds to "allow" me to take your sage advice. I'll need about 1,500 bucks for starters. > >> >I just had 2 more urine analysis/culture, which showed nothing. No > >> >WBC/RBC, no organisms found. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Because Robert the retard, If a test can't find the bacteria infection > that's obviously there it's USELESS. Then why have cultures then if they are useless? > >> Yet I have every physical symptom of a bacteria infection, dark green > >> phlegm in large amounts, Bronchial inflammation, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > urine, unless the test is so antiquated it sucks and the bacteria has > mutated in such a way as to evade the test. Mutated to evade the test? They either grow or don't grow. > God you are so stupid. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > everything, an admission on their part if you will that their test is > inadequate. And you call them worthless for treating you empirically even though nothing has grown? So it's an admission that they don't know everything and that the test are inadequate and for that you call them worthless. Yet you still go back to them. I think you are in a circle and need to get out of the circle. I am not the idiot here dude. > >> Yet the fck'in worthless yaps that call themselves doctors tell me in > >> spite of all the physical evidence I can't have a bacterial infection, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Never mind the harmful side effects the antibiotic is doing to my > system while I take it. You sound like somebody who knows what he wants so why go to doctors that won't do what you say? Why not go to one of the doctors who use the latest tests so they can rid you of this infection? > >> all on an antiquated, out of date test that the simplest microbial > >> organisms have learned to evade. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > i.e. it's adapted to evade detection with the test means that were > developed over 60 years ago. Are you saying it's a defense mechanism not to grow in nutrient broth so the bacteria can hide and not be detected? Do you think they have a brain? > >Simplest microbial organisms have learned to evade what? > >Bacteria grow when they can eat enough food. Give them food and they will > >grow. If they don't grow then you don't have the right food or they are not > >there. > >> Makes one wonder who's the brightest in this contest. > Well... with such a moronic reply as the one above that you've penned A culture means you try and grow the bacteria. Bacteria are characterized by what they will grow on and it is one of the things that identifies them. This hasn't changed for centuries but what has changed is the defense the bacteria have adopted to be able to grow in resistance to antibiotics. > we all now know that when it comes to working glia cells you are > definitely a one legged man in an a.s kicking contest, Robert. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > "allow" me to take your sage advice. > I'll need about 1,500 bucks for starters. So the VA sucks then? Would you rather be in Canada or would you rather be seen by a VA doc? I don't see any difference in posts between you and Idea Man. YOu might even be the same guy. OK Canada sucks and the VA sucks, and Australia sucks and the UK sucks. Now we are really getting somewhere. Lets hear from those in the US that say that all the doctors suck. Then let's hear from those people who know real good doctors. Let's hear from the really good doctors who know how to treat this condition. Let's see the studies and or papers showing good treatment results. Once all the doctors see and read about the good results even VA doctors will be able to treat you. I don't know of a better motivation by them to get you off their back. They don't want to see somebody like you every week. If giving you a one year presciption for antibiotics would work they would have done it long ago. The problem is it doesn't and there isn't anything out there that is good. Try butt relaxation exercises. > don't see any difference in posts between you and Idea > Man. YOu might even be the same guy!!!!!!! Hi everyone. Hope your doing well. Yep, I'm Gothika and Gothika is me. Gee, this is fun. > OK Canada sucks Canada rocks! Oh no. My crayons all melted together. Bye. >> don't see any difference in posts between you and Idea >> Man. YOu might even be the same guy!!!!!!! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks Idea Man for the fresh breath of levity. Can't believe some of the clowns they let have access to the internet these days. Come on guys, lets not fight, its killing the forum. Gothika, I asked my GP about the cultures that are used...he said that its for bacteria only and not fungus, so I dont know how you are being tested for fungus. Do they see WBC / RBC in your urine? Check your Nitrite level in urine? There are many other things they can check to see if you have an infection besides actually culturing the organism. Makaveli > Come on guys, lets not fight, its killing the forum. Let's make this a very useful forum. Let's help him. Gothika has said he thinks VA doctors are worthless and I said for him to see somebody else besides VA doctors and he said how can he. He wants somebody to pay for his bills. The reason why he posts here is to tell people that VA doctors are worthless and he can't afford to see anybody else. > Gothika, > > I asked my GP about the cultures that are used...he said that its for > bacteria only and not fungus, so I dont know how you are being tested > for fungus. There you go see it's another example of how cultures are useless according to them, they don't culture for fungus, virus and nanobacteria. Even when they do people think that these bugs evade detection. Do they see WBC / RBC in your urine? Check your Nitrite > level in urine? There are many other things they can check to see if > you have an infection besides actually culturing the organism. > > Makaveli They already said that urine cultures and urinalysis are useless Mak so nice try there. >> gothika <Vampyres@nettaxi.com> wrote in message >news:<njee80t9jnful2diptjfhhhr6hp3395v8f@4ax.com>... [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >They already said that urine cultures and urinalysis are useless Mak so nice >try there. I'm only rude to those that show disrespect to me. Find someone whose had to work with the VA system to explain how it goes for disabled vets inregards to their treatment by the VA. I'm not here panhandling, just stating my situation. If you are injured in service and actually have the nerve to apply for disability through the VA your whole life basically gets put through a grinder. I'd have thought at least some here would've had some knowledge of this or heard a horror story or two. As with just about any type of assistance from the federal government, regardless of whatever agency, they're first going to reduce you to poverty before they give you anything. I don't have the funds to go to a decent uro, gotta work with what I have available in treatment options. I'm just here for info. That's all. I do appreciate those who are giving useful advice. Robert excluded! And NO I'm not Idea Man. I got your relaxation exercises right here sport. As for everyone else who like myself are here for exchange of information, thanks. I'm grateful for any assist I can get. I'm scheduled to go back to Va uro tomorrow but may try and reschedule. They've scheduled me with the worst doctor in the hospital and I'll have to try and get back to one I had a couple of months ago. (At least he listened) Until then it's more cycles of Doxy to try and manage my problem. I'll run all the ideas you guys have given me past whomever I do finally get to see and see if he'll run the tests. Thanks again. >Come on guys, lets not fight, its killing the forum. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Makaveli I've always had slightly elevated levels of WBC's in my urine. They generally drop with ABX's then rise again after a time. This has been going on ever since they diagnosed the initial bout of prostate infection(10 years) All they have to say is that it's not alarmingly high and that some people have higher levels naturally.(crap IMO. At least in my case.) Don't know if they check Nitrite levels, I'll ask. Maybe they'll run that test. I did make them aware that during the off dose periods when The symptoms are at their worst my urine goes real acidic and dark and volume drops radically.(more difficulty passing is what I believe. ultrasounds reveal that I retain more than I pass.) They did prescribe something to reduce burning, but it made me bleed profusely. Did stop the burning on urination tho'. Wouldn't mind giving it another try. Can anyone here give me a list of all the different types of tests that could be run besides basic urine stains/cultures? I've heard of one called a PCR though I don't know what that is. A simple explanation of each would be a great help as well. I realize It's asking much. Thanks to any who would be willing to help at all.(The doctors at the VA can act very obtuse when you try and get involved in the proccess, some even get offended or just act ignorant. There are a few good docs there but they get cycled to ward duty or desk work whenever they actually start practicing medicine.) Thanks again for all who've tried to help. |
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