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Torben - 03 Mar 2004 10:43 GMT
Hi all,

I'm a 29 years old guy from Denmark, and this is my first post to this
newsgroup - and sorry for my bad English.

Let's start from the beginning:

For about 2½ years ago I went to a party. We got drunk and jumped into the
ocean (the water wasn't warm and I got really cold for a long time) - at
last I ended up in an unknown woman's bed (we had sex, and regrettably she
wasn't my girlfriend).

Three days later it began to burn when I urinate. I spoke to my girlfriend
and told her everything about my small affair. Of course she was sad but
luckily she decided to forgive me, and thanks for that - I really love my
girlfriend.

So I went to see my doctor, he made a test and the next day he told me that
there was nothing wrong with me. No Chlamydia and no infections (I should
mention that my girlfriend had Chlamydia from when I started to date her and
the next six month - in that period we had sex MANY times but they never
found Chlamydia inside me!)

Five days later the burning sensation was gone, but suddenly I started to
urinate frequent and my urination almost stopped. I got scared and went to
se my doctor again - he thought that I might have a bladder infection. But
again, the tests showed that there was nothing wrong with me. He gave me
some medication against inflammation (they use the same medication against
rheumatism) and send me to an Uro. The Uro looked into my bladder via a
cystoscope and told me that I didn't have cancer.  He also put his finger
into my rectum and said that my prostate felt a little swollen - I was, as
well as you guys, diagnostic with Chronic Prostatitis.

After about a week everything was back to normal and I stopped taking the
pills. The need for frequent urination came back and I decided to take the
pills for the next 6 months - I did and had no problems at all - after six
month I gave up the pills and still had no symptoms. I was happy and thought
that I was cured!!

But this new-year I was outside and got cold again. Five days later I got
high fever and shiver (I felt like I was going to freeze to dead) and it was
VERY difficult for me to urinate. The symptoms and the fever went away after
a couple of days (I didn't see the doctor). About 14 days later the symptoms
started again but this time my urinating was burning and there was also some
blood in the urine. I went to the doctor and the diagnose was a bladder
infection which was treated with antibiotic in 6 days - after the treatment
my infection was gone but I was really tired and had a headache almost every
day. The next month my frequent urinating went on and of several times, but
the last 14 days I have had no symptoms at all.

I have no other symptoms than the frequent need to urinate (OK sometimes I
feel a really small irritating sensation between my rectum and the scrotum).
I also have no pain when having sex or when ejaculate.

As I mentioned before, my frequent need to urinate comes and goes. Sometimes
I need to urinate every 30-minutes and the next day the symptoms can be gone
(spooky!??!)

Since I was about 17 years old I have had problems with leaking small amount
of urine after I finish urinating. And during the last  3 years I have had
some rash on the head of my penis - it really looks like fungus and it
usually comes 2 days after having sex a with my girlfriend.

So, this was my story - what do you mean about it? What would you propose me
to do? My doctor and my uro says that I just should learn to live with it -
it's easy for them to say that ;-)

What about Alpha-blocker's - do you think that they can help me?

I really wish good luck to all of your guys and again, sorry for my bad
English!

Regards

Torben
Makaveli - 03 Mar 2004 17:00 GMT
> Hi all,
>
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>
> Torben

Hi Torben,

You have come to the right place for advice. Have your doctors done
any urine cultures? Blood tests (STDs)?? Semen cultures??? or EPS
cultures??? These are things you should do to check for bacteria.
Anti-biotics have helped you, so it might be an infection in your
prostate. The fact that its re-curring means that it is deep inside,
and you probably have Chronic Bacteria Prostatitis. However, you do
sound like frequent urination is your biggest problem, IC might also
sound like a potential. The only ppl that can accurately diagnose you
are your doctors. However, you should get as many tests done to
properly diagnose your condition. If they dont think its Bacterial,
which it might not be, anit-biotics help with inflammation, and help
you feel better, which makes some ppl think they have bacteria, when
none can be traced. Anyways, if its not Bacterial, i would get off the
Anti-biotics.

Good Luck,

Keep us posted.

Makaveli
Torben - 03 Mar 2004 20:24 GMT
> Hi Torben,
>
> You have come to the right place for advice. Have your doctors done
> any urine cultures? Blood tests (STDs)?? Semen cultures??? or EPS
> cultures??? These are things you should do to check for bacteria.

Nothing of the above..
Can you explain a little more about STDs, Semen culturs and EPS - i dont now
what the abbrevations means?

> Anti-biotics have helped you, so it might be an infection in your
> prostate. The fact that its re-curring means that it is deep inside,
> and you probably have Chronic Bacteria Prostatitis. However, you do
> sound like frequent urination is your biggest problem, IC might also
> sound like a potential.

What is IC ?

The only ppl that can accurately diagnose you
> are your doctors. However, you should get as many tests done to
> properly diagnose your condition. If they dont think its Bacterial,
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>
> Keep us posted.

I will, and thanx for your help ;-)

Regards
Torben
Cameron - 03 Mar 2004 23:07 GMT
> > Hi all,
> >
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> > last I ended up in an unknown woman's bed (we had sex, and regrettably she
> > wasn't my girlfriend).

> > Three days later it began to burn when I urinate. I spoke to my girlfriend
> > and told her everything about my small affair. Of course she was sad but
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>
> Makaveli

Hey "T"  Have you received a Prostate massage from your doc yet?
Sometimes the bacteria are pretty well protected within the prostate
and need their defenses broken down.  I wouldnt do the massage without
ABX though.  Prostate Massage works for some people but not for all.
I believe anti-biotics (ABX) plus prostate massage should be your
first thought if a bacteria has been cultured.  That said, dont rely
on a urine test to culture bad bacteria from the prostate.  You will
need to get a massage, and have that fluid tested for any nasty
bacteria.  Bacteria can produce "bio-films" (which are basicaly
shields) around themselves which can stop ABX penetration.  Not to
mention, that the acini(ducts) within the prostate can become plugged
up, harbor and make a nice cozy environment for the bacteria to
flourish.   If your negative for bacteria then I would seriously
consider pelvic muscle therapy to see if your pelvic region is not
causing the problem through muscle tension.   My personal opinion is
that the majority of sufferers have a bacterial infection with the
rest of the population dealing with muscle tension disorders.

Hope this helps.
Webmaster Chronicprostatitis.com - 04 Mar 2004 00:16 GMT
> Hey "T"  Have you received a Prostate massage from your doc yet?

Beware of prostate massage!
http://www.chronicpelvicpain.us/viewtopic.php?t=1225
http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/massage.html

> Sometimes the bacteria are pretty well protected within the prostate
> and need their defenses broken down.

Misguided layman's fantasy.

> I believe anti-biotics (ABX) plus prostate massage should be your
> first thought if a bacteria has been cultured.

Staph. is a common CONTAMINANT. Ignore Staph. "infections".

> Bacteria can produce "bio-films" (which are basicaly
> shields) around themselves which can stop ABX penetration.

No evidence of this in prostates. This happens on catheters, not in the
prostate. The prostate is inimical to bacteria.

> Not to mention, that the acini(ducts) within the prostate can become plugged
> up, harbor and make a nice cozy environment for the bacteria to
> flourish.

Pure BS. This is the fantasy of Ken Smith Esq, freelance website
builder, of the Prostatitis Foundation.

> My personal opinion is that the majority of sufferers have
> a bacterial infection

Pity that your opinion clashes with latest research. See the featured
studies on the home page of http://www.chronicprostatitis.com
Robert - 04 Mar 2004 04:04 GMT
> > Hey "T"  Have you received a Prostate massage from your doc yet?
>
> Beware of prostate massage!
> http://www.chronicpelvicpain.us/viewtopic.php?t=1225
> http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/massage.html

Beware of people who claim to know everything Webmaster. You are the one.

> > Sometimes the bacteria are pretty well protected within the prostate
> > and need their defenses broken down.
>
> Misguided layman's fantasy.

They don't know anything Webmaster, compared to you.

> > I believe anti-biotics (ABX) plus prostate massage should be your
> > first thought if a bacteria has been cultured.
>
> Staph. is a common CONTAMINANT. Ignore Staph. "infections".

I sure will, ignore all staph infections in the future.

> > Bacteria can produce "bio-films" (which are basicaly
> > shields) around themselves which can stop ABX penetration.
>
> No evidence of this in prostates. This happens on catheters, not in the
> prostate. The prostate is inimical to bacteria.

Not only that but bacteria can't grow in the prostate.

> > Not to mention, that the acini(ducts) within the prostate can become plugged
> > up, harbor and make a nice cozy environment for the bacteria to
> > flourish.
>
> Pure BS. This is the fantasy of Ken Smith Esq, freelance website
> builder, of the Prostatitis Foundation.

Fantasy island with all these f.ckers coming up with fantasies.

> > My personal opinion is that the majority of sufferers have
> > a bacterial infection
>
> Pity that your opinion clashes with latest research. See the featured
> studies on the home page of http://www.chronicprostatitis.com

All the questions are answered there and anybody who disagrees is an
a.shole.
Best site there is. All you guys don't know sh.t compared to Webmaster and I
don't want to hear otherwise.
Cameron - 04 Mar 2004 15:07 GMT
> > > Hey "T"  Have you received a Prostate massage from your doc yet?
> >
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> Best site there is. All you guys don't know sh.t compared to Webmaster and I
> don't want to hear otherwise.

Hey "T"  As you can see there are many opinions about what works and
what doesnt.  The fact is, there is no definitive treatment that is
best for everyone.  Most Uro's do believe in prostate massage and ABX.
They just dont peform the treatment long enough.   It was brought up
that prostate massage can be dangerous.  I believe this is correct.
Keep in mind that the simplist surgery or having a tooth extracted is
also dangerous and can cause harm (you actually sign a doc stating
this before surgery.  Therfore, the premise that prostate massage
should not be used due to possible harm is not valid.  With this
premise, you would not have your appendix removed or your tonsils
taken out as this can also be dangerous.  Also, a person can play host
to many different kind of bacteria without any symptoms while another
can exhibit an all out immune response to those same bacteria.

Good luck in your search and keep reading.
Webmaster Chronicprostatitis.com - 04 Mar 2004 15:13 GMT
>  Most Uro's do believe in prostate massage and ABX.

More misinformation from the Polacheck shill.
Cameron - 04 Mar 2004 20:48 GMT
> >  Most Uro's do believe in prostate massage and ABX.
>
> More misinformation from the Polacheck shill.

All of the Uro's seen prior to seeing Dr. Polacheck performed prostate
massage, including the Mayo Clinic Scottsdale AZ.  Fact.  I guess the
Uro's I employed do not read the medical journals where prostatitis is
really a pelvic muscle disorder.

What is also true "T" is that I found very effective relief from
prostate massage along with ABX.  But again, bacteria was cultured
from my prostatic secreations. Zithromax seemed to be the drug that
helped me turn the corner.  Still, there is no one treatment that
works for everyone, that is the sad part.
Webmaster Chronicprostatitis.com - 04 Mar 2004 21:04 GMT
> All of the Uro's seen prior to seeing Dr. Polacheck
> performed prostate massage, including the Mayo Clinic
> Scottsdale AZ.  Fact.  I guess the Uro's I employed
> do not read the medical journals where prostatitis is
> really a pelvic muscle disorder.

It's sad to see to what extent patients can dictate the treatment they
receive for this disorder. When a uro is faced with an incurable,
querulous patient who asks for "massage" treatment, he tends to comply.
At least it makes the patient happy, and sometimes it seems to help, for
reasons we can only guess at:
http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/massage.html
Robert - 04 Mar 2004 22:56 GMT
> > All of the Uro's seen prior to seeing Dr. Polacheck
> > performed prostate massage, including the Mayo Clinic
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> reasons we can only guess at:
> http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/massage.html

You are right as always, patients should not be allowed to dictate their
treatment. They should go to your site.
Cameron - 05 Mar 2004 14:58 GMT
> > > All of the Uro's seen prior to seeing Dr. Polacheck
> > > performed prostate massage, including the Mayo Clinic
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> > reasons we can only guess at:
> > http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/massage.html

So what your saying is the Mayo Clinic and all other Uros are
unethical since they are providing treatment they do not believe in
just because the patient is asking for it?  Please, there is no
conspiracy here, no shooter on the grassy knoll.  I knew nothing of
prostate massage until the Uro's offered it up as a treatment.

My very first Uro told me that he was going to start a series of
prostate massages that would be very painful.  However, alot of
patients respond to this type of treatment.

Remember, prostate massage has been around for a very long time. Way
before Allopathic medicine came into vogue.

I think what we are seeing here is a patient(webmaster)who received
prostate massage and didnt respond.  Therefore, the treatment doesnt
work.  This can be said with a thousand other treatments in the world.
Chemo works for some cancer patients and not for others.  One type of
treatment will work for some diabetics and not others, so on and so
forth.  Readers of this newsgroup may respond to prostate massage,
they may not.  Do not rule out anything.

> You are right as always, patients should not be allowed to dictate their
> treatment. They should go to your site.
Makaveli - 04 Mar 2004 03:13 GMT
> > > Hi all,
> > >
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>
> Hope this helps.

Torben,

Semen is your cum, what comes out on ejaculation. EPS , is expressed
prostate secretion. The liquid your prostate secretes. You should have
it checked for bacteria. If there is non, then dont bother with this
whole "invisible" bacterial ppl talk about. Thats non-sense. Try
looking into the pelvic muscle disorder CPPS. Try to get as many tests
as possible.

Makaveli
º-- Idea Man --º - 04 Mar 2004 03:28 GMT
Hey guy's.

Don't mean to offend, but can some of you clean up your responses a little
bit? It sure would make reading a thread more enjoyable and easier to
follow. It's time consuming and irritating having to read a one or two short
response at the end of a huge personal testimony time and time again.

Hint ´¯`°¤.¸.¤  It's called cut n' paste.

Thanks.

Carry on soldier.
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Robert - 04 Mar 2004 04:07 GMT
> Hey guy's.
>
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>
> Carry on soldier.
Wha'ts that sqiggly sh.t at the end of all your responses?
Are you gay or is that bacteria?
º-- Idea Man --º - 05 Mar 2004 12:43 GMT
"Robert"  wrote...

> Wha'ts that sqiggly sh.t at the end of all your responses?
> Are you gay or is that bacteria?

Robert, Robert, ( sigh ) Becoming an internet troll are you?

Robert says he has a mind of his own. He's welcome to it -- who else would
want it?
 
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