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NEW BPH TREATMENT THAT WORKS!

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David - 24 Feb 2004 03:54 GMT
http://www.esp-electro.com/bphH.html

Main website is http://www.esp-electro.com

For more information please respond to esp_electro@yahoo.com

ENLARGED (BPH) PROSTATE?
*
SHRINK IT BACK TO NORMAL
(AND KEEP IT THAT WAY)

NO DRUGS
NO SURGERY
NO IMPLANTS
NO PAIN
NO DIETING
NO MAGIC PILLS
NO FANCY FOODS
NO ONGOING COST

AND ALL IN THE COMFORT AND PRIVACY OF YOUR OWN HOME

The ESP machine targets the prostate with a particular sequence of
(painless) electrical signals that are specifically designed to prevent each
of the mitotic cells from dividing into two 'daughter' cells, the process
which would otherwise result in the unwanted growth. Not only does the
treatment prevent further growth - it will enable the gland to shrink back
towards its normal size.Early evidence of the efficacy of the treatment will
be seen as the improving bladder-voiding rate, and a complete removal of the
pain (often) associated with the growth process.

The bulk of the prostate gland consists of muscle and fatty tissues, and it
is largely these, which are triggered into excessive reproduction. It is
also the muscle tissues, which the ESP's 'anti-mitotic' signals focus upon.
The excess fatty tissue is dispersed by the rapid muscular activity caused
by other components within the signal structure, an activity that also
assists in the more rapid disposal of the disabled cells.

The treatment has little or no effect upon the other 'functional' aspects of
the prostate. In fact, there is very strong evidence that it improves the
gland's overall health and performance.

********************************

There are three ways of looking at why the BPH problem should be treated.
Firstly, it is said that BPH can lead to prostate cancer. However, the
causal evidence simply does not exist. This does not mean that the claim is
wrong, it simply means that it is most likely not to be true. Our research
has left us with the conviction that if one is going to get prostate cancer,
it will happen whether or not BPH strikes first. There really is no
scientifically sound reason to suppose that BPH is a precursor to cancer,
unless you would argue that a bigger gland presents more of an opportunity -
which is a very feeble argument - even if it does sound logical. (If you are
not convinced, see the last part of the "Statistics" article). So the
reality is that just a fear of prostate cancer is no good reason to take any
form of medication, or for anyone to buy an ESP machine.

Secondly, the enlarged gland may be causing severe pain, and is certainly
restricting the flow of urine. Clearly the pain can become intolerable, and
the urethra restriction can eventually reach a point where it becomes life
threatening. Both of these effects can be dealt with by use of just the ESP
strap and saddle. Apply for about 20 minutes a day, every 2 days, until the
flow rate is restored, and then once a week to keep it that way. The pain
should completely disappear within a week or two, and your bladder-voiding
rate will be noticeably improved within a month. In fact, the worse your
voiding rate is at the start, the faster it will improve.

Finally, an enlarged prostate will invade the bladder. Clearly, this reduces
the bladder's capacity, resulting in the need to urinate more often, which
in turn can be the cause of disrupted sleep. It also opens up the
possibility that sediment will collect in the lower bladder areas, which do
not fully empty. This sediment can lead to complications, including some
fairly nasty infections. Significantly reducing this incursive growth is not
quite so simple. It requires the additional use of the waste-band, and
longer application periods - whilst the bladder is reasonably full. If your
scan does not indicate really excessive incursion or any worrying
complications, you may well feel that the reward is not worth the effort -
not in the early stages, at least. A good diet and plenty of physical
activity is a good way to deal with such a non-critical situation. Most
importantly, before you get out of bed and make for the toilet, lie on your
back and give your abdomen a bit of a massage - extensive urine analysis has
shown that an early morning five second bladder 'wobble' significantly
increases the amount of sediment that will be expelled, which might well
mean that you manage to avoid that nasty infection.

Details of Treatment


c palmer - 24 Feb 2004 18:32 GMT
i can't let this one pass by without commenting on it.  this is so far
off from the subject but will address it.

1. BPH  is a scientific known fact that a man's prostate will enlarge as
he ages.  how can you say you can reduce it and go against all known
scientific evidence????

2. how can hooking up a tens unit which is what this is make the problem
go away?  first, tens units are for normally used in pain control by
disturbing the electrical pathways of the pain routes.  from that
viewpoint, it does disrupt pain - which is what it is designed for - and
can bring relief in the pain dept.  but does nothing for what you are
claiming.

3. if this unit works as described, you would be on the front page of
every newspaper in the world because of all the men who suffer from BPH.
doctors would recommend your unit and make you rich beyond your wildest
dreams.

and i did not see in the web site where it stated that BPH was a non
tumor growth and does not deal with that issue.  only the pain part
which again is a nothing more than a tens unit.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
David - 26 Feb 2004 16:50 GMT
John Writes:
Dear C Palmer of  "sci.med.prostate.prostatitis"

Ordinarily I would ignore the sort of puerile reaction that you have
evinced. However, in view of the fact that you seem to represent some sort
of scientific medical journal, and clearly claim to be backed by "all known
scientific evidence" I would like to reproduce your reaction (along with my
own comments, of course) on our website. It is actually quite typical, and I
think it only fair that my potential customers see what people like me have
to deal with. I am not, of course, asking your permission. Since you sent
your views to a third party, I have every right to take this course of
action.

C Palmer wrote:
1. BPH  is a scientific known fact that a man's prostate will enlarge as he
ages. how can you say you can reduce it and go against all known scientific
evidence????

John writes:
It is a scientific fact that almost all tumours will grow. So: Using your
logic, it must be impossible to reduce the size of a tumour. So how do
mitosis disrupting cancer treatments work? Or are you saying that mitosis as
it applies to tumours is a different process to mitosis as it applies to
BPH? Or are you, perhaps, claiming that chemo and radiation therapies are
some sort of confidence trick?

C Palmer wrote:
2. how can hooking up a tens unit which is what this is make the problem go
away?  first, tens units are for normally used in pain control by disturbing
the electrical pathways of the pain routes.  from that viewpoint, it does
disrupt pain - which is what it is designed for - and can bring relief in
the pain dept.  but does nothing for what you are claiming.

John Writes:
First you make a totally incorrect and unsubstantiated assertion (that the
ESP machine is actually a TENS machine) then you base an argument on that
assertion. A typical reaction, I admit, but nevertheless, one which always
bewilders me. It's actually quite effective, because it doesn't allow a
logical argument. You are quite correct to say that a TENS machine will not
fix BPH. In fact, it more or less says so on our website. So we seem to be
in agreement on that point, at least. However, whilst you may be a medical
'genius' you are clearly not much of an engineer. It is strange that medical
people tend to see engineers as a sub-intelligence species, and yet imagine
that they, themselves, do not need to understand physics. I have come across
this many times - very strange indeed.

C Palmer wrote:
3. if this unit works as described, you would be on the front page of every
newspaper in the world because of all the men who suffer from BPH. doctors
would recommend your unit and make you rich beyond your wildest dreams.

John Writes:
I must admit that I am not an expert when it comes to newspapers, but I
would have thought that they would need to know about something before they
could report it. In fact, we have made no attempt whatever to inform the
press. Quite simply, if I were in charge of a newspaper, I wouldn't give
over any space at all to such claims as we are making. In fact if you had
any awareness of the real world, you would know that no really new, shall we
say "breakthrough" is ever given credence before it is reasonably
substantiated, because the press receive piles of such claims every day. But
guess what - some of these stories do turn out to be true, and do eventually
make it into the press. I have no doubt at all that the ESP machine will
receive much publicity and will, indeed, be prescribed by the medical
profession.

C Palmer wrote:
and i did not see in the web site where it stated that BPH was a non
tumor growth and does not deal with that issue.  only the pain part
which again is a nothing more than a tens unit.
~ curtis
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional

John Writes:
Not only does our website make it entirely clear that BPH in not malignant,
it actually deals with prostate cancer in no uncertain terms. It even goes
so far as to say that claims and innuendo that BPH can be a promoter of
prostate cancer are bogus. Indeed, that they are cynical ploys aimed at
frightening men into buying overpriced snake-oil. The truth is, of course,
you didn't actually give the website a proper examination. I find this a bit
of a give-away. If you really had concerns about human suffering, you would
at least have tried to find something credible about our claims. But then,
as you are honest enough to admit - "growing wise is optional".

John Allen

PS I shall visit  'sci.med' - perhaps I might learn something of why you are
so belligerent
> i can't let this one pass by without commenting on it.  this is so far
> off from the subject but will address it.
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>
> knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional


c palmer - 26 Feb 2004 20:20 GMT
hi john - since you have taken this time to respond to my post, i will
return the favor.

first, if the product you have is as great as you have said it is, i
would be the first to promote it.  but i have my doubts.  

i have studied the prostate in the most detail that one can imagine for
the past 10 years straight.  i can pass any medical exam in that area
with ease, but i'm not an expert in the rest of the body.  

my father died because of prostate cancer.  that is what prompt my
research to begin with.  

i have studied prostatitis, BPH, tumors, prostate cancer, refractory
prostate cancer, hormonal treatments, abatements, prostate stones, the
prostate nervous system, bone pain from prostate cancer, prostate
disorders, and have personally talked in the very professional sense of
the word with the leading people in the field and spokes people with
prostate problems or cancer, such as bob dole.  so i think i am
knowledgeable of what i am saying and not belligerent.  i can get
belligerent if you wish, but that is not my goal here.  i'm trying to
find out why you haven't developed the financial market on something as
powerful as you claim it is.  

i'm always looking for financial opportunities.  i invest in real estate
markets, and has various businesses.   so if you wish to approach me
from that angle, i will listen.

as to my background.  i've had prostatitis.  i've had BPH,  i had the
BPH push up and form a ring in the floor of my bladder,  i've had
prostate cancer, and i've had the prostate removed, and i've had 2 more
surgeries from complications of prostate cancer,  so i think i'm fully
qualified to speak from that view point because having experience all
the feelings as everyone is going through, if there is something going
on that will bring relief, i'm all for it.

as to your first question to me on how you are reduce the size of tumors
has to do with the testosterone in a man's body.  the luteinizing
hormone causes the release of testosterone from the testes and through
absorption from the prostate will cause the psa to be generated.
removing the testosterone hormone will cause shrinkage of the tumor as
will as burning it with radiation.

as to a reference to check out the treatment of BPH, allow me to direct
you towards dr. patrick walsh.  he is most noted as the surgeon who
invented the nerve sparing technique, but also is a global thinker.  he
has put together a world-class legacy of groundbreaking work at hopkins.
he has put together a world-class team on oncologists, molecular
biologists, urologists, and genticists who are tackling prostatitis,
BPH, and prostate cancer from every angle.  if you will read a book he
has written, " guide to surviving prostate cancer" isbn 0-446-67914-3,
you will find the BPH and prostatitis is only a couple of the subjects
he addresses.

he admits that nobody knows what causes the two forms of prostatitis -
bacterial and nonbacterial, and there are two sub groups - inflammatory
and noninflammatory and is based on whether or not there are any white
blood cells found in the prostatic fluid.

treatment is largely symptomatic.  muscle relaxants such as
alpha-blockers have been helpful in easing the muscle tension in the
prostate.  

another category is asymptomatic inflammatory prostatitis.  produces no
symptoms and found by chance

how it is prostatitis treated?  antibiotics, alpha blockers but a new
area of discovery is in the area of autoimmne conditions that mimics the
symptoms and finally, a change in the diet of the patient.

BPH has been around for a long time and has been reported through the
centuries.  ben franklin had it as well as thomas jefferson.  before
1990, there was no treatment for BPH.  scientists suspect that the aging
prostate becomes more sensitive to testosterone.  there are studies that
suggest that BPH is more prone to run in families.  for men with
moderate symptoms, treatment should be medical.  alpha-blockers.  there
are two kinds of tissue involved in BPH - glandular - made up of
epithelial cells, and smooth muscle tissue.  as the glandular tissues
enlarge, the smooth muscle tissue tightens up around it like a fist. the
alpha drugs cause the muscle to relax and relieve their symptoms  

in significantly enlarged prostates, another class of drugs are used
called 5-alpha reductase inhibitors.  chief name of drug being used is
called finasteride.

in severe symptoms, then treatment is a TURP

may i return the favor as to what you wrote in your ad.  you stated that
the prostate is composed of "muscle and fatty cells"   i agree on the
muscle part, but those other cells are epithelial cells which secrete
the prostate's fluids are the ones you must be calling "fatty cells"
because you do not mention them in your ad.  

now, there are five zones in the prostate and it is a fact that BPH
develops and grows in the transition zone.  to develop a unit that
attacks and treats that area only and not bother anything else would be
a feat by itself.

i do believe that knowledge is power and yes, growing wise is optional.
if you noticed, i have not attacked you or your product in this
response. i only address my side because you said i didn't know what i
was talking about.  well, i think i do and if you don't think i know
what i'm talking about, then i have some penis enlargement pills that
will make your penis grow 3 inches in 90 days.  it must be true because
it is all over the internet. :)

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
David - 28 Feb 2004 16:06 GMT
Hi Curtis

Let me start by accepting that you would seem to know more about the
prostate than I. On the other hand, nothing that you have said about it in
any way affects what I have done, and in any case, most of what you have
told me I did already know. I just do not see why such information is
pertinent to the website. How many prostate sufferers would understand, or
have any interest in understanding, terms such as epithelial? Even if I
explained that they are mainly stratified columnar epithelium?

Our website is designed to assist sufferers, not to impress experts. That is
not to say that I in any way deride expertise, nor that I do not place value
upon any assistance that might be forthcoming from experts. It is simply
that I have never been able to accept the dogma, which says that if a
writing doesn't have lots of words that most people don't understand, it
isn't scientific. The truth is that anybody who cannot explain their science
in language that most reasonably educated people can understand, either has
a very poor vocabulary, or doesn't really understand the science.

In fact, the prostate is far from being bereft of lipoproteins.

I am a little confused by your talk of testosterone being involved with
prostate tumours. BPH, (which does result from the influence of
testosterone) does not qualify as a tumour. As to my claiming to be able to
combat prostate cancer, my claim is only that it should be possible to make
ESP treatment work in this way - but that I would not carry out such a
development without medical assistance. As it happens, I know full well that
it can be made to work, but I'm not God and I don't have the right to
experiment upon my fellow man  - I sometimes wish that I had prostate cancer
so that I could develop the treatment on myself.

As I understand what you say, you seem to be the sort of person who needs to
know things, and you have a real motivation to understand, and the
intelligence to acquire such knowledge - But you do not have any
'certificated' medical training. As far as I'm concerned, your brain is at
least as capable as a trained medical person, and you are clearly aware of
far more detail with respect to the prostate than any medical student would
get from his or her medical training. Ergo, I would listen very carefully to
anything that you had to say on the matter. What puzzles me is why you
cannot imagine that I might not fit into a similar category.

I too, have a tendency to expect new 'ideas' to be flawed. I always,
however, take care to find the flaw for myself before rejecting the idea.
Indeed, I have on several occasions been able to correct the flaws in other
people's ideas.

I'm afraid I do not know 'Bob Dole' - perhaps I should, what is his level of
expertise with respect to the electrical properties of the mitotic process?
I would, indeed, jump at any chance to read other people's experiences in
this area, and a goodly part of my research has been to make such
discoveries. Why this man's name didn't crop up during my searches I cannot
say - but then, that does tend to be the nature of research.
Dr. Walsh did crop up, a very good man, but I didn't find any connection
between his work and mine - Apart from the obvious, of course.

I'm not sure that I understand what you mean about the financial markets. At
least, I'm not sure why the ESP machine should be linked with such. Almost
the whole of my working life has been devoted to solving problems for the
benefit of people who's only interest is to maximise profits from the
exploitation of the products that I have produced. Why should I want the ESP
machine to be subjected to such treatment? Why should I not end my days
trying to benefit sufferers rather than making investors rich?

You have made several references to prostatitis. The ESP machine cannot be
used to treat prostatitis. I have never made such a claim, or even implied
such. I know that electrical influences cannot be aimed at such a
condition - there is simply no 'target'.
Of course I know this, any fool would know that one cannot disrupt a
reaction that does not have a mechanism to impose disrupted forces upon. It
is one thing that you doubt the machine's ability to do that which I claim
for it, had I simply come across it, as you have done, I too would have had
reservations. But to actually put false claims into my mouth, so as to
speak, made your attack on me seem more emotional than scientific.

In order for any part of the body to actually 'grow', in the accepted
meaning of the word, the only mechanism available to biology is mitosis.
(Actually I ought to include meiosis - but that does not apply to the
prostate). My system is able to interfere with mitosis, by employing
particular patterns of electrical influence. I cannot believe that you would
argue that if mitotic cells are disrupted such that they fail to produce two
'daughter' cells, with the result that the parent cell is rendered necrotic,
that this will not ultimately effect a reduction of the mass of the tissue
involved.

I also find it hard to believe that any rational person would deny the
possibility that such influential signals could be produced. Where
reasonable doubt should come in - is that it might be possible to direct
such signals in such a way as to have a profound effect. I too, had my
doubts about this aspect. However, after much experimentation and the
scientific evaluation of data, collected by long term scientifically applied
'cause and effect' experimentation, it was found to be the case. I find it
difficult to accept that any human being, who has not conducted any tests of
such, could have a certain knowledge that it cannot be done. Where would
such insight spring from? And even if such an insight were to present
itself, what sort of person would be content to rely upon such a phenomenon?
I have discovered many 'new' things in my life, but never have I had the
courage to accept my 'insight' without practical confirmation.

Now, if you have some knowledge of mitosis, or aberrations of the passage of
electrical signals passing through body tissue, which would cause me to
wonder if the reduction in size of my own, and a number of other men's
prostates, plus a significant increase in our voiding rates, might be due to
something other than the effects of my machine. I would be pleased to
examine such with a good deal of concern.

So, may I ask, what have you studied with respect to this particular
possibility? What research can you point me at which would even seem to
disprove my interpretation of the results of my work?

Perhaps I should come clean with you. I have applied for patent protection
on my machine. However, that application makes no claims for the applied
science. Indeed, the disclosures made in the application rely upon the fact
that all of my claims, except the one upon which my novelty claim rests
(Which has nothing to do with any of the efficacious treatments) have all
been demonstrated (albeit piecemeal) by established, coherent and officially
approved medical experimentation.

In effect, all I am claiming to have done is to bring together the
observations of others, all far better qualified and equipped than I, into a
coherent 'package' such that it is able to safely meet the beneficial needs
of the sufferers of certain types of afflictions.

One of the most significant benefits of my machine, I have openly admitted
was 'discovered' entirely by accident. I have no need to make false claims.
I have a history of being able to solve problems, in very short time, when
established and esteemed experts have taken years and sometimes millions of
dollars, and failed.

All this, and the proofs of the soundness of the basic science of my ESP
technology are available to anyone who's interest justifies my spending the
time and trouble to make the disclosures. However, I do not intend to waste
my time, or disclose information, which I would be advised to keep ready for
the defence of my actions, without very good reason.

On the other hand, I will disclose to you that my researches lay mostly in
the area of cancer treatments, and largely academic research into mitosis
(including S phase studies) as well as the application of electrical
currents / signals to animal and vegetable tissue from sub-cellular, through
single cells to whole organs, etc., for all manner of purposes. That there
is, in fact, all the proof anyone could need, freely available, but so
disparately spread, sparsely reported, and so widely applied to all forms
biological matter, that it is not hard to see why it has not been
'assembled' before. Believe it or not, I learned much about what is required
from the many failures
that have been reported. It is often not the fact that something fails that
is important, it is often an understanding of why it failed.

Of course, all this ignores the levels of electrical and mathematical
science that would also be required in order to recognise the significance
of, and to translate this knowledge, into an ESP machine.

Three years is the longest time that I have ever devoted to a single
project. In fact, it is the first time in my professional life that I have
restricted myself to a single project.

Back in the mid 1960s I was hired to investigate the viability and
advisability of indoctrinating milk with fluoride - I found against on
bio-chemical grounds.

In the early 1970s, it took me only a few weeks to establish how to evaluate
and correct gunshot deafness, and my system is still in use today.

In the mid 1970s, I spent less than a week to establish that the same basic
technology, which was/is used to guide weapons through water, could be
applied to ultrasound body scanners. The basic design is still in use today.

In the 1980s I established that even 'perfect match' blood transfusions, and
'own blood' circulation bypass machines damage the immune system. Largely
ignored, but a fact nonetheless.

In 1989 - working at the behest of a senior anaesthetist, I established that
magnetic resonance techniques could be used to differentiate between venal
and arterial blood, and also establish the oxygen levels - using equipment
costing less than £20 Stirling.

I have also been employed as a design consultant by the UK defence industry
with respect to actual guided weapon design.

I have also been employed by the auto industry to advise upon the validity
of new technology claims.

I have also been employed by the computer industry to advise upon and
develop security systems.

There is documentary evidence to establish the above facts.

Finally, three years ago I was examined and diagnosed (by a registered UK
NHS doctor) as suffering from BPH. My symptoms were severe pain, especially
when sitting, and a drastically reduced voiding rate. Three years on, I have
no pain at all, my voiding rate is up by nearly 500% and my prostate has
shrunk. I have been on no medication or treatment other than the ESP
machine. A miracle?

Best wishes

John Allen

> hi john - since you have taken this time to respond to my post, i will
> return the favor.
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>
> knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional


 
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