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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostatitis / February 2004Attn: Sandar
As you requested, here is some more testimony. The following is from another former patient of Dr. AEF who describes his experience with the Manila protocol. The Manila protocol is practiced by both Polacheck and AEF, but John Polacheck is just pupil of AEF, a mere sidekick. AEF taught Polacheck how to treat prostatitis patients. If you go to Tucson or Manila, here is what you can expect: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=32246461.419E%40corn.cso.niu.edu&output=gplain > As you requested, here is some more testimony. The following is from another former patient of Dr. AEF who describes his experience with the Manila protocol. The Manila protocol is practiced by both Polacheck and AEF, but John Polacheck is just pupil of AEF, a mere sidekick. AEF taught Polacheck how to treat prostatitis patients. If you go to Tucson or Manila, here is what you can expect: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=32246461.419E%40corn.cso.niu.edu&output=gplain Let's hear testimony from people in which Mr. Nescio's protocol has not helped. I think it is a good idea to find at least one person that any one protocol has not helped and then declare that protocol bullshit. Grow up people the only sure thing are taxes and death. > I think it is a good idea to find at least one person that any one protocol > has not helped and then declare that protocol bullshit. > Grow up people the only sure thing are taxes and death. I, on the other hand, am very thankful that Nomen has brought this information forward. It clearly points out that Dr Polacheck's mentor and advisor is of the most highly questionable pedigree. "By his friends shall ye know him". >I, on the other hand, am very thankful that Nomen has brought this >information forward. It clearly points out that Dr Polacheck's mentor >and advisor is of the most highly questionable pedigree. "By his friends >shall ye know him". I don't necessarily support these people, but at least they are not afraid of others finding out who they are. Who are your friends? > >I, on the other hand, am very thankful that Nomen has brought this > >information forward. It clearly points out that Dr Polacheck's mentor [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Who are your friends? When I start treating people and making money off "cures", I'll tell you. >When I start treating people and making money off "cures", I'll tell >you. What are all those ads for on your anonymous web site? > > >I, on the other hand, am very thankful that Nomen has brought this > > >information forward. It clearly points out that Dr Polacheck's mentor [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > When I start treating people and making money off "cures", I'll tell > you. So now anybody who treats anybody is making money. Yes, they charge for services rendered. I guess the people you want to go to are the ones who charge nothing and everything is free and never promise a cure for anything. Makes complete sense to me. > > I think it is a good idea to find at least one person that any one protocol > > has not helped and then declare that protocol bullshit. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and advisor is of the most highly questionable pedigree. "By his friends > shall ye know him". Nomen has dug out some very old posts (1996 and 1998) from people who did not respond to the treatment. Like any treatment there is going to be a sample that does not respond. Does that make the treatment ineffective? No. There are many other diseases where treatment works for some and not others. Take Cancer and Chemo for instance, some respond, some do not. There are prescription drugs where some respond and some do not. Is everyone responding to the Stanford protocal? Q? Probably not. But I'm sure it works for some. I'm wondering if Nomen and the Webmaster were Tucson Patients? If they were, and the treatment didnt work for them, can we hear why? We really need to stop hiding behind old msgs from 1996/1998 to declare a treatment ineffective. Lets hear what your personal experience is/was. This would be most helpful to readers. > Nomen has dug out some very old posts (1996 and 1998) from people who > did not respond to the treatment. Like any treatment there is going to > be a sample that does not respond. Does that make the treatment > ineffective? You are the ONLY person to port Tucson to be helpful. Lot's of others haven't: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=an_291858715 http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=an_393412566 http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=an_291866660 http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=an_443366743 It may surprise you that I advised Dr Polacheck in private email about a year ago to use more deep pelvic muscle massage during his "prostate" massages. I find it interesting that shortly thereafter we get people like Cameron (Krause) reporting big improvements. Here's what's probably happening: JP is is pandering to these mens' belief in bugs and 'biotics, while secretly giving them the Stanford Protocol, or a simulacrum thereof. How ironic. > > Nomen has dug out some very old posts (1996 and 1998) from people who > > did not respond to the treatment. Like any treatment there is going to [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > 'biotics, while secretly giving them the Stanford Protocol, or a > simulacrum thereof. How ironic. What a shameless doctor actually altering his practice to incorporate recent techniques that might help people. Most doctors, closely to 100%, use antibiotics as an initial treatment and you call this pandering? Let's hear from people in which the Stanford protocol has cured people and those it has not helped and then let's blame their non response for them not doing the protocol right. Let's blame the patients. > What a shameless doctor actually altering his practice to incorporate recent > techniques that might help people. It is shameless when it's done surreptitiously. > Most doctors, closely to 100%, use > antibiotics as an initial treatment and you call > this pandering? When you pander to someone's beliefs, you do what they want and affirm their illusions. Men like you believe you are infected. It's almost a religious conviction for some. I could soon have you in my control if I pandered to this belief. > Let's hear from people in which the Stanford protocol has cured people Sure. Go here: http://www.chronicpelvicpain.us/viewforum.php?f=5 > Let's blame the patients. Ah, this lack of logic sounds nauseatingly familiar. "Robert" is clearly actually "Jim", whom we all thought departed this newsgroup since he was "completely cured". It seems this group cannot shake off the detritus. > > What a shameless doctor actually altering his practice to incorporate recent > > techniques that might help people. > > It is shameless when it's done surreptitiously. No! How does a doctor treat a patient surreptitiously you f.cking idiot. Double speak sh.t head. > > Most doctors, closely to 100%, use > > antibiotics as an initial treatment and you call > > this pandering? > > When you pander to someone's beliefs, you do what they want and affirm People don't even know what the f.ck they have when they go see a doctor and they want a diagnosis. What a stupid a.s. > their illusions. Men like you believe you are infected. It's almost a > religious conviction for some. I could soon have you in my control if I > pandered to this belief. Those are the people who want more antibiotics because it has helped them in the past and want more. If antibiotics did not or do not help that person then they would care less about having them placed on it dumb f.ck. > > Let's hear from people in which the Stanford protocol has cured people > > Sure. Go here: > http://www.chronicpelvicpain.us/viewforum.php?f=5 > > > Let's blame the patients. So who is using the cure word now clown. Let's send Dorothy and her purse carrying, pussy whipped, husband who blew a couple thousand to California and see if it works. Let's see- 100 a day for hotel and how many weeks treatment? > Ah, this lack of logic sounds nauseatingly familiar. "Robert" is clearly > actually "Jim", whom we all thought departed this newsgroup since he was > "completely cured". It seems this group cannot shake off the detritus. I am really Dr P needing more patients. You see the treatment cure above is such a well kept secret from all the f.cking urologist out there that I can still make money. > I could soon have you in my control if I > pandered to this belief. I don't know why but when I read, "could soon have you in my control", I quacked like a duck? My dog Lucky became startled and my mom looked at me strange. Is mind control real? > > I could soon have you in my control if I....... > > I don't know why but when I read, "could soon have you in my control", I > quacked like a duck? My dog Lucky became startled and my mom looked at me > strange. Is mind control real? Seriously, is mind control true? I feel like something happened to me the other day after I read that guy's post. I'm still quacking like a duck and other's are looking at me funny. How long does it last? I don't wanna make embarrassing sounds anymore. Please help. webmaster@chronicprostatitis.com wrote: >You are the ONLY person to port Tucson to be helpful. Lot's of others >haven't: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=an_291866660 >http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=an_443366743 MORE evidence! There's also a recent account of one poor guy (Paul Curley) who flew all the way from Australia to Tucson and spent more than 10 thousand dollars in an attempt to cure his condition. It is posted at cpp.us. >Nomen has dug out some very old posts (1996 and 1998) from people who >did not respond to the treatment. Like any treatment there is going to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >treatment ineffective. Lets hear what your personal experience >is/was. This would be most helpful to readers. Look, Pat. A poster requested "testimony" from AEF and Polacheck's patients. You've testified ad nauseam that Polacheck is your hero, but when many of AEF and Polacheck's other patients' stories are pulled from the archives by this Nomen guy, you jump in to diffuse the situation by pooh-poohing these other people's experiences. IMO, the postings are significant and show a trend. I think there are many posts from '96-'98, because that is when the Manila protocol was new and popular. It is a dead treatment of the past, IMO, but recently, you've been working very hard in this newsgroup to revive it. I don't think I'm the only one here who is suspicious of your motives, Patrick Krause from AZ. These postings also raise some troubling questions for me. Was that lady and her husband ("hubby") really PROMISED/GUARANTEED a cure? Why does Dr. Polacheck associate himself with a person like AEF? > >Nomen has dug out some very old posts (1996 and 1998) from people who > >did not respond to the treatment. Like any treatment there is going to [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > her husband ("hubby") really PROMISED/GUARANTEED a cure? Why does Dr. Polacheck > associate himself with a person like AEF? I will be glad to meet you and discuss, thus taking away the shroud of suspicion. Let me know when you can fly into AZ, I'll pick you up. I just think it is unfair to dig up posts from the past and declare a treatment ineffective, suspect maybe. Does it show a trend? Maybe. Its far from a dead treatment as the Tucson Clinic is doing very well. People from all over the world are still flying there for treatment. The question is still unanswered. Have any of you been treated at the Tucson Clinic and are willing to share your experience for the other readers? Bad or good. We will respect it. Why hide behind someone else's posts. Lets hear about your experience. Hey, here is an interesting article I found at the Cleveland Clinic Website: It appears that this sample of men were declared not to have an infection. Probably by Uros who didnt want to take the time. But, with the proper testing were found to have bacteria, that in some resides without problem, but in other stimulates an immune response. http://www.clevelandclinic.org/urology/news/misc/vol6g.htm "Cameron" wrote.. > Hey, here is an interesting article I found at the Cleveland Clinic > Website: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://www.clevelandclinic.org/urology/news/misc/vol6g.htm Interesting. I would like to believe it is a solid study, but based on another article at the same website you have to wonder? That article has Jennette M. Potts, M.D. name attached to it. If you read a snip from this other study below at the same website, again with Jennette M. Potts, M.D. name attached to it, you'll notice this study suggests chronic pelvic pain sufferers worry too much and their symptoms are all in their heads. Who was the idiot who came up with this answer? I won't waste my time discrediting this rubbish. I can't STAND incompetent physicians who do not have an answer for disease so instead blame it on the emotional status of the patient and NOR SHOULD ANY OF YOU!!! A paragraph snipped from article. The lifetime prevalence of functional somatic syndromes in the general population is only 0.5%. However, when we reviewed the history of 89 consecutive prostatitis patients, we found a 65% prevalence of coexisting somatic disorders and more than 40% of the patients had a history of psychological disorders. Other investigators report higher incidences of depression, anxiety, and somatization in CP/CPPS patients as compared to control subjects. One study concluded that relationship problems, disruptions in sexual function, depression and failure of multiple previous medical treatments in men with chronic prostatitis indicates that continued antimicrobial therapy is unlikely to provide the 'cure' these patients seek. http://www.clevelandclinic.org/urology/news/prostate/vol9h.htm You should all be cautious that whoever wrote this study is not treating you. I am dead serious. They should be put in jail and the key should be thrown away. a.sholes! ( I apologize for my profanity fella's, but it had to be said ). |
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