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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostatitis / February 2004Interesting Document from the Newsgroup Archives
Here is a posting by Meir Yeheskel, one of Dr. AEF's former patients. As you may know, Dr. AEF is John Polacheck's business partner ("consultant," according to Polacheck's website). Cut and paste the following link into your browser: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3.0.1.32.19970701004130.006a9898%40msn.com&out put=gplain >Here is a posting by Meir Yeheskel, one of Dr. AEF's former patients. As you >may know, Dr. AEF is John Polacheck's business partner ("consultant," [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3.0.1.32.19970701004130.006a9898%40msn.com&out put=gplain WOW! AMAZING! If this is true, why would Dr. Polacheck want to associate himself with that man?! "Mast Cells" wrote... > WOW! AMAZING! If this is true, why would Dr. Polacheck want to associate > himself with that man?! ( AH HA HA......laughing at a smart guy playing dumb ) > Here is a posting by Meir Yeheskel, one of Dr. AEF's former patients. As you may know, Dr. AEF is John Polacheck's business partner ("consultant," according to Polacheck's website). > Cut and paste the following link into your browser: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3.0.1.32.19970701004130.006a9898%40msn.com&out put=gplain He spends money first and then checks that crap to explain his failure to respond. If I get cancer and don't respond to treatment I will blame it on the centers credentials. Don't go out of the country and expect to be able to document somebody's high school diploma. Everyone hopes for relief which is why we go for anything that might work but to expect something is foolish. A fool is easily departed from his money as it is good for the economy. Ever heard of insurance companies, I guess not. >A fool is easily departed from his >money as it is good for the economy. You're a pretty callous person. Sometimes otherwise reasonable people can make a foolish mistake when they are in great pain and are extremely desperate. > >A fool is easily departed from his > >money as it is good for the economy. > > You're a pretty callous person. Sometimes otherwise reasonable people can make > a foolish mistake when they are in great pain and are extremely desperate. Extremely desperate people don't try to play the victim game. They try something in desperation and if it works then you won't hear from them. If it doesn't work then they try something new as they are "desperate". Those two clowns are more concerned, "now" ,about the loss of money than they are being desperate. They never thought about the money then. They are so intent in getting even because of the loss of money. They were so stupid in not listening to doctors here because they don't trust them so look what it got them. Let's blame somebody as we can't blame them. "Robert" wrote.. > > You're a pretty callous person. Sometimes otherwise reasonable people can > make > > a foolish mistake when they are in great pain and are extremely desperate. I agree with Mast Cells on this 100%. > Extremely desperate people don't try to play the victim game. They try > something in desperation and if it works then you won't hear from them. If > it doesn't work then they try something new as they are "desperate". You bring up a very interesting argument here, Robert. I'd have to agree with you that the motivations of some are less than admirable, but Mast Cells reasoning should not be ignored. It is not accurate to say that people with real desperation usually remain tight lip and unheard from if their treatment is not successful, nor is it fair to suggest that only those who come forward are dishonest. Obviously anyone who travels for medical treatment does so because they feel there is a problem that is interfering with their lives and they want that problem resolved. I am not aware of the motivations of those who are posting in this thread, nor am I defending them, but those who have felt unfairly treated and hustled by a doctor should never fear from coming forward. > Those > two clowns are more concerned, "now" ,about the loss of money than they are > being desperate. I have no idea about this? It really depends on what they were promised and how they were treated by the doctor they saw? > They were so stupid in > not listening to doctors here because they don't trust them so look what it > got them. Let's blame somebody as we can't blame them. Er.....I wouldn't say the advice from any of the doctors who post here is regular. It's more irregular than anything else. They are afraid to participate due to a perceived scrutiny they feel would fall upon them. It's a real shame because I supsect many would like to share their ideas and participate more. Oh, the madness.......the MAdnESS.....n....no.....nooOOooOO ~~~~¤ø:......:ø¤º°` !!! Da da da........seeya, ( smiles ). > "Robert" wrote.. > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Da da da........seeya, ( smiles ). IF you want to make up excuses for those people who think that the medical care here in North America is lacking and have to go to a third world country for medical treatment and need cash are only misled, then you need your head examined. They gambled and they lost and they f.cking know it. It is a bunch of horse sh.t as they include living expenses as the cost of treatment. I would not be suspicious if money had not been discussed. If they had simply said it had not done any good then it would be more believable. In short, money is not a valid factor one should take into account. If it is then you can't afford it. They were born with a silver spoon up their a.s and that is the real pain the guy has. A person in area where poverty is prevalent would pay a few dollars for the same treatment that clown got fresh from the states. He is not Donald Trump so I applaud his a.s for going all the way to the PI and giving his money to those people living in poverty; the trickle down theory. He should be happy he had the money to give. He should trade his wife in for a tight slave girl over there like oldie did. >He should trade his wife in for a tight slave girl over there like >oldie did. Robert - I thought you had died already - darn. You are such an illogical fool I don't know why anyone here even bothers to have a conversation with you about anything. > >He should trade his wife in for a tight slave girl over there like > >oldie did. > > Robert - I thought you had died already - darn. You are such an > illogical fool I don't know why anyone here even bothers to have a > conversation with you about anything. I suppose if it doesn't work out for you, as in she dumps your a.s, then you will drag out all the bar fine and receipts and post how expensive it was to buy a girl and how it wasn't worth it. Don't forget to post it here and tell us how it wasn't your fault. You were a victim. "Robert" wrote.. > IF you want to make up excuses for those people who think that the medical > care here in North America is lacking and have to go to a third world [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > give. He should trade his wife in for a tight slave girl over there like > oldie did. In all honesty, I am not too familiar with this whole thread and it's original posting so I won't comment much further. For the others out there reading, I only want to make the point that in the end many times it's not that beneficial, but it's not uncommon and a right for sensible, honest, people, to travel for medical treatment once they feel they have been left with no treatment options at home, and it is quite all right for them to speak up for themselves if they feel cheated or unfairly treated by anyone that they did see. Here in North America you have the best doctors in the world, but they are trained in acute care and pharmaceuticals. If you have a broken arm, this is the place to be! Unfortunately, this condition demands a different approach. Thanks for all your past opinions and joining in discussion, fella's. > "Robert" wrote.. > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > broken arm, this is the place to be! Unfortunately, this condition demands a > different approach. The point is you have to go way way out of your way to go thousands of miles for treatment and it is only for someone is down right committed to doing so. They have come to the conclusion that not one single doctor in North America can help them and they are willing to pay cash for "the possibility" that it might help them. They are proactive in a complete sense and then come up with that crap when it doesn't work and try to blame somebody else for it is simply crazy. You say it is sensible for people to go around the world involving CPPS then show me the facts. Show me where one patient treated in a third world country or in any country fairs better than in another. We live in a world where everything is published and you simply feed the people with secret treatment only one doctor can do? You are full of sh.t and promote that victim mentalilty. You perpetuate the very thing you hate. You want people to not look at the facts just listen to one person's promise and jump on a f.cking plane and go for it. I never said not to tell people about experiences abroad only not to play that silly victim crap. You are already a victim once you think that no one here can help you so spare me of how the maid stole a twenty from your room or you didn't get any peanuts on the plane. Those people start growing brains when they get back and come to the conclusion that well, I guess the doctors here are really not that bad. Hello!! > Thanks for all your past opinions and joining in discussion, fella's. "Robert" < wrote.. Hey, Robert? Congratulations! You have taken what I thought was a mature response to your last post by me, and turned this into a shouting match. It's pretty clear to me that your a bit of a goof and your determined to prove it. I'll respond to what you have said here only because you have mis-quoted me on several occasions. Your no joy to have a discussion with, let me tell you. > The point is you have to go way way out of your way to go thousands of miles > for treatment and it is only for someone is down right committed to doing > so. And now why tell me this? Your point is.......?? > THEY have come to the conclusion that not one single doctor in North > America can help them and they are willing to pay cash for "the possibility" > that it might help them. Who are you speaking for and who are "THEY??" One person? A group of people? Your imaginary friend, Robert? When you say, "THEY", are you speaking on behalf of all those who suffer from chronic pelvic pain syndrome and all those who have traveled to see a doctor in a different land in an attempt to improve their lives? If so, I'm quite impressed! I don't know of too many other's who are as gifted as you? You seem to have the ability to speak for a lot of people and the ability to determine why it is they made the choices they made? All that without speaking even with them! Hey! I heard of your kind.....your like a psychic, right?! Woooo ~~~ that's so awesome! High five duuuuude! Ok, like dude....like, I'm looking for some sweet lottery numbers and I......nah, nevermind .....I don't wanna get off track here.... maybe later??? Kewl! Well, as you can see, I don't have this psychic talent, and it is for that very reason that I refrained from speaking to this before, because you see Robert, if your brain was functioning properly you would have noticed I was trying to gracefully bow out of this conversation the other day. Unlike you, I don't think it is appropriate for me to assume I know more about everyone's else's unique set of circumstances and why it is they bought a plane, train, or bus ticket, to see one specialist or another or what the end result of their trip was? I can make an educated guess as to why they might have made a trip, but my guess wouldn't be accurate for everyone. It seems very clear to me however, that you do feel comfortable speaking for those people. > They are proactive in a complete sense and then > come up with that crap when it doesn't work and try to blame somebody else > for it is simply crazy. I guess so? Afterall, you would know better than most about what happened in each of their cases. >You say it is sensible for people to go around the > world involving CPPS then show me the facts. No I didn't. Why twist my words anger management? Ok......this is funny. I *never* said it was --sensible-- for people to go around the world involving CPPS, I would never say that. Quite the contrary. What I said was, ( and go back to re-read my words if required ), is that it is a right that sensible people have to travel for medical treatment if they feel they have been left with no other options at home. It is their right to make the choice. Big difference! Got it? Good! > Show me where one patient > treated in a third world country or in any country fairs better than in > another. I am not the one who is making this argument, so why ask me to produce such evidence? And by the way, your also asking this question of me based on the deceitful way you just mis-quoted me. You really do come across as a bit of a slimeball. You know, I hope the passion & unfortunate hate your displaying here isn't a result of you traveling for treatment and becoming medically worse? If it were so, I would feel quite upset by the way I am now humiliating you and turning your argument into rubble. I hope this is not the case. Let me clarify for you and believe me, I think I know a little but about traveling abroad for medical treatment. It's no pleasure of mine to admit that I have been to three different countries and a whole different continent trying to rid myself of a plague that follows me like a shadow, so I can speak first-hand to the issue of seeking medical treatment away from one's own abode. I am only defending the right that a sufferer has to travel for medical treatment, if, and only if, all other treatment options at home have been exhausted, and to temporarily please you, ( although I find this highly unlikely & not a priority on my list of thing's to do ), if you haven't noticed already, there are some specialist's, some lab's, and some clinic's in this world, that are above & beyond what we all know as standard urological care. Oh, ( big sigh ), and yes, I do know, have witnessed, and have spoken to other's who have benefited from traveling for treatment, but I will not disclose their names. That being said, I have seen more who have failed than have succeeded. The actual fact of the matter is that although the micro chance of improvement is a possibility when considering traveling for treatment, most who seek care in far away places will be sadly let down accomplishing nothing other than emptying their bank accounts and breaking their hearts. There are many obstacles they face, some of which include: doctors who are only in it to make a buck and the difficulty understanding & treating the condition to begin with. I don't recommend anyone do it unless they have a *clear* cut indication that the place they want to go is the only place that has what they medically need for their condition. > We live in a world where everything is published and you simply feed the > people with secret treatment only one doctor can do? You are full of sh.t > and promote that victim mentalilty. You perpetuate the very thing you hate. Help Wanted - Psychic - Robert, you know where to apply. > You want people to not look at the facts just listen to one person's promise > and jump on a f.cking plane and go for it. Who in the world are you talking about? Get your facts straight, buddy. > I never said not to tell people > about experiences abroad only not to play that silly victim crap. How did I get into this mess? LOL! Your so angry that your throwing verbal punches, blindly. I told you from the beginning I wanted out of this stupid conversation because I had no idea what you were talking about with that silly victim stuff?? I'm only responding now, well, because you insulted me. > You are already a victim once you think that no one here can help you so spare me of > how the maid stole a twenty from your room or you didn't get any peanuts on > the plane. Your right! Everyone here has the magic answer for anyone who asks! You know #% all about this condition and the difficulty treating it. By the way, peanuts on the plane? > Those people start growing brains when they get back and come to the > conclusion that well, I guess the doctors here are really not that bad. > Hello!! I'm not in disagreement. Everyone should exhaust every option they have at home in terms of treatment. So why are you angry with me? I'm not recommending anyone travel for treatment! All I said was that it was the right of all sufferers to try and do everything they can to get better. Speaking of traveling, Light travels faster than sound, Robert. That's why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. Seriously, good luck to you. I'm outta here!! Regards. |
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