"P.Hotter" wrote..
> A couple of doctors I met, said an incision in prostate gland (TUIP)
> would help me a lot, to empty bladder, and reduce infection.
Wow......surgery for prostatitis! You do know that surgery is not usually
recommended for the condition? It could make you worse you know? It's a very
risky venture my friend and it may cause irreversible damage? You have to be
very sure that the doctor who is suggesting surgery has a solid reason for
doing it, that you have a definite abnormality, that there is a legitimate
need for this surgery. You don't want to go into this wondering what he is
going to cut, or burn away, and it shouldn't be an experiment. You need
solid evidence that surgery is a legitimate option. With that being said, I
posted these two commentaries some time ago and I think it might be of some
interest to you. One is a guy who had a positive result from surgery and I
think it is similar to what you want to do, but it was PVP. The other is the
negative effects of treating prostatitis with surgery.
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Author:
An anonymous sufferer.
=== My whole lower abdmoninal area was "puffy" all the time before PVP. I
had that dull ache in the groin area including testicles. I believe that
the entire area was inflamed and was retaining fluid because of the large
amount of constant residual in the bladder and incomplete draining.
Once the bladder obstruction was removed by the PVP, the whole area drained
over the course of several days, perhaps a week. Inflammation subsided and
my whole lower abdominal area was no longer "puffy". I no longer had that
dull ache in the groin area. So 17 years of "prostatitis" was magically
cured. That's is why I believe that I never had prostatitis and that all my
problems for all those years was due to bladder outlet obstruction caused by
a slowing enlarging prostate median lobe.
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Subject: Case study: A Cautionary Tale
A 64 year old man presented last year with a 20 year history of chronic
prostatitis, with perineal and groin pain as the main symptoms. The only
mode of therapy he wanted was a radical prostatectomy to finally "be done
with it". Prostate fluid showed many WBC but culture was negative.
Nevertheless, there was a positive response to antibiotics and prostatic
massage. Symptoms soon recurred however and transrectal ultrasound showed
large centrally located prostatic stones. A transurethral resection was
performed which removed these stones. Symptoms were improved temporarily
but again the pain returned.
Consultation was arranged with a pain management specialist. Some
improvement was attained with a combination of Neurontin and Elavil but
pain persisted with activities that were important to the patient.
Finally, being fully warned of the potential risks, the patient elected to
have a radical prostatectomy done by a community Urologist I recommended
to him. Pathology did show extensive inflammation in the gland.
Nevertheless, at 3 month follow up, the patient still has persistent
perineal and groin pain, unchanged from before the surgery.
This patient sadly illustrates that not all chronic prostatitis symptoms
come from the prostate or seminal vesicles. While I believe that most
cases are caused at least initially by infection, in many patients
persistent symptoms come from local inflammation and pelvic neuromuscular
spasm, not from ongoing infection from sequestered bacteria. If antibiotic
based therapies fail, then other secondary causes must be sought.
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> Does anyone knows more about Retrograde ejaculation and TUIP?
Try posting about that to to the sci.med.prostate.bph newsgroup. Those guys
have had a lot of prostatic surgeries and know about retrograde.
Regards.
NC - 17 Feb 2004 23:00 GMT
> "P.Hotter" wrote..
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> An anonymous sufferer.
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> Regards.
I think I understand this person's problem perhaps better than most here.
That is, the CPPS crowd. I don't have pelvic neuromuscular pain. That
smaller population of us who have bacterial prostatitis will most likely
develop voiding problems with time. When mine started, I could still peel
the bark off a birch tree, but over time, it became more difficult to empty
my bladder. The symptoms are not unlike BPH but my prostate is not overly
enlarged. The discomfort is more noticable at night and can disturb sleep.
Hytrin or Flomax can help but not eliminate the problem. I don't think most
Uro's understand this either. They just want to do a TUIP or TURP. For me,
massage has definitely helped. When I have a flare up of the bacterial
infection, I go on ABX and do massage about three times a week.
J and b 50 - 18 Feb 2004 21:50 GMT
What is PVP?
NC - 19 Feb 2004 17:32 GMT
> What is PVP?
Photo-Selective-Vaporization of the Prostate